Thread: Hunters should be nerfed

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Some people, started believin' him,
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Originally Posted by Numen

Hunter is the only ranged class that does physical dmg in the whole game. Defiler, LM and RK all are magic casters. Magic overall is more powerful that any of the less "civilized" schools of combat. Hunters are the highest ranked players by average in lotro and that also speaks of the cruel fact that hunter is OP. Hunter has very heavy CC, long range and also very high damage. That's why I suggest a hunter nerf. Now don't start ranting that hunter is weak and stuff. Just check all those posts of hunter KD like 100. I don't think that's bad. That's really OP. Hunter even has desperate flight which is kinda equal to blink in WoW.

I don't even play a Hunter but I just want to say hahahahahaha .... QQ more please

Seems many americans meets now with our best EU troll Numec. Just dont feed him. Leave him alone,.... Forever alone !

Originally Posted by Theandil

Seems many americans meets now with our best EU troll Numec. Just dont feed him. Leave him alone,.... Forever alone !

So we can blame you for him.

"Best"? Poor choice of words, its clearly your fault. :<

Originally Posted by Numen

Estonia was part of Soviet union so basically u're Russian. Finland never was part of Soviet Union. You see, you really needed the lesson.

Finland was never part of Soviet Union but we were once part of Russia too. But what has that to do with anything? And most of all... what has that to do with Hunters?

I feel kinda embarrassed for my landsman trolling forums almost immediately after migration. *facepalm*

I have played Hunter a bit on the Moors and I can say that it's way more handicapped in most situations than my Minstrel for example. Hunter can make insane renown in small time, but they go down fast and are easy bits for creeps in spars. Where I do agree, is that insanely high crits should be removed from every class. Cap it somewhere near 3-4k and we're good.

About DPS role of Hunter... Loremaster and Rune-keeper have a difference here and it is the fact that they also have second roles or primary roles, Rune-keeper being an effective healer and Loremaster CC'er. Hunter can't heal anyone and their CC is moderate, not really as good as Loremaster's. Most classes were given their DPS abilities just to make it easier to solo, let's take Minstrel's Warspeech as an example. Hunter has always been main DPS and remains as one in Ettens too.

Originally Posted by Numen

Estonia was part of Soviet union so basically u're Russian. Finland never was part of Soviet Union. You see, you really needed the lesson.

No, u're Russian...see what i did there?

Hunters aint very easy in 1vs1.

Originally Posted by Elwene

But what has that to do with anything?

nothing, but it worked, you fed it.

Ye now he is fed and he will own us all >.<

who is this guy? does he pvp?

Originally Posted by Theandil

Seems many americans meets now with our best EU troll Numec. Just dont feed him. Leave him alone,.... Forever alone !

If he is your best, got a lot to learn about trolling

It's funny how you ignore the fact that hunter has the greatest renown gain, by a way or another. The greatest goal of pvmp is renown/infamy afterall, as rank is what we use to measure player individual skill and expirience.

Originally Posted by Numen

It's funny how you ignore the fact that hunter has the greatest renown gain, by a way or another. The greatest goal of pvmp is renown/infamy afterall, as rank is what we use to measure player individual skill and expirience.

where are you getting your stats from? http://surugi.com/lotrostats/index.php says otherwise to your claims. learn to troll. Hunters are not the highest ranked freeps around, that consist of all classes equally with only two people being rank 15, a minstrel (first rank 15) and a hunter.

First rank 15 was a loremaster, Serrawen of Morthond (former Belegaer). Just to be correct about that.

Originally Posted by esdumby

where are you getting your stats from? http://surugi.com/lotrostats/index.php says otherwise to your claims. learn to troll. Hunters are not the highest ranked freeps around, that consist of all classes equally with only two people being rank 15, a minstrel (first rank 15) and a hunter.

I'm talking about overall population. What you're saying is like saying that because Barack Obama is smart socialist, every American is smart socialist.

Originally Posted by Numen

I'm talking about overall population.

Ok, lets do so.

So, you say that those with the most gain are OP and need to be nerfed. OK, maybe its hunters now. Nerf! Oh, after this its guardians. Nerf! What the heck, now its lorebreakers. Nerf nerf nerf! Good job.. wait. Loremasters now on top. Nerf!

Huntards are fine as they are at the moment. Its one of the few classes who are not OP on freepside. They are deadly from range, squishy in melee, and do not have too overpowered skills.

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Originally Posted by Victiswolf

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Originally Posted by DorianFalkenmond

Ok, lets do so.

So, you say that those with the most gain are OP and need to be nerfed. OK, maybe its hunters now. Nerf! Oh, after this its guardians. Nerf! What the heck, now its lorebreakers. Nerf nerf nerf! Good job.. wait. Loremasters now on top. Nerf!

Huntards are fine as they are at the moment. Its one of the few classes who are not OP on freepside. They are deadly from range, squishy in melee, and do not have too overpowered skills.

Well, in fact, if we would always nerf the overpowered class, we would end up in perfect balance.

Originally Posted by DorianFalkenmond

First rank 15 was a loremaster, Serrawen of Morthond (former Belegaer). Just to be correct about that.

who, is that an Eu server?

So, how does one go about putting someone on ignore on the forums?

Originally Posted by DorianFalkenmond

nothing, but it worked, you fed it.

Nu-uh, he ignored my post. :< Didn't work!

@OP.... dude, i sincerely thank you for this thread, and look forward to more lols from your posts/threads in the future Have you even played a hunter?

Originally Posted by esdumby

who, is that an Eu server?

Yes, it's on an EU server indeed.

Originally Posted by Numen

Well, in fact, if we would always nerf the overpowered class, we would end up in perfect balance.

Not really. You will just end up with weekly nerfs and a lot of angry players due to the reasons DorianFalkenmond listed. It's an endless cycle so just keep trying and you'll eventually figure out how to kill a hunter...

Originally Posted by Numen

Well u didn't take into consideration that hunter can wait in stealth and when the reaver walks by, hunter can pop all cooldowns and heartseeker crit like 5000 and get the kill. If he fails he can DF away or start spamming the CC because reaver has no immunity.

Oh wow, you've obviously NEVER played a hunter... or against a hunter for that matter.

The Hunter stealth (and I'll include the Elf stealth with allows you to move) both only give +1 stealth. You can be detected easily by almost any class. Now, consider that several creep classes have +stealth detect, and that +1 bonus to stealth goes right out the window.
And it cant be used in combat like the Burg / Warg HIPS, so it's basically useless except when in a raid.

Second, you're overestimating the damage that heart-seeker will do against a creep. Remember, they have VERY high resists compared to mobs.

Third, we cant just 'DF' away. Because as has been stated numerous times already, Desperate Flight does NOT work in combat in the moors. We're stuck there until we get out of combat, even though DF has a 30 minute cooldown to it. I for one think it should actually be allowed again, but that's beside the point here.

As for spamming crowd control, a hunter has 2 stuns, only 1 of which is crowd control, a fear, and a melee slash which CAN (not guaranteed) reduce run speed by 50% for 10s. More often than not, the slash is resisted by creeps, especially wargs, and the fear / bards arrow have fairly long inductions which are interrupted by melee attacks. So that leaves the SINGLE crowd control attack we have, which requires a large amount of focus... which we wont have if we've been firing off all these attacks while you charge. Plus, the hunter's range is only 40m or so. A reaver can charge that full distance in almost the time it takes for a single induction of swift bow. So that's exactly 1 attack we get off before a reaver mops the floor with us.

If you are being beaten by a hunter in melee distance, you are either VERY low rank with your creeps, or you're not that good.

This thread is going to end badly if the nationalistic, religous, and political comments don't come to an immediate end. If you wish to debate a topic that's great, debating a person' right to their opinions and dismissing them on nationalistic, religous or other inappropriate grounds will not be tolerated.

Originally Posted by Sapience

This thread is going to end badly if the nationalistic, religous, and political comments don't come to an immediate end.

Saw the thread and skipped to the end when i saw 'sapience'. Epic response

The only thing hunters need nerfed in the moors is their tracking to prevent spam-tracking. And even that doesn't have to be a change to the hunter skill in and of itself, but rather to tracking in general (e.g. you can only track the same person once every 5 minutes).

As for the claim that hunters are OP...lol. Seriously...how could anyone believe that. Do you even play a creep in the moors? Because I assure you, when I'm on my warg, the last thing I'm worried about is a hunter finding me. I'm far more worried about being exploded before I can react by an RK or being CCed to death by a burg or LM.

Hunters are just fine where they are. I'll reserve my cries of OP to RKs where they belong.

4 years of PvMP on creep side, and honestly I've never had a problem with Hunters. Hunters have the highest dps but the worst melee tank. A hunter who doesn't react fast enough can die to any creep.

They are probably the weakest class for being hit, but are the strongest for damage; you can't get a much better balance.

Compared to the likes of the RK crit spam, The Loremaster "I can root/stun/mezz you 19 times in any 30 second period while being immune to said effects" are truly annoying, and the Burgs are mostly an annoyance as they have so many ways to run away and avoid just about anything you do to them. (The only real defense I've seen against Burgs is to have enough dps to take them out before they can fire any of their IC stealth options) But burgs in raids are pretty squishy when you hit them. They are hit and run or solo fighters.

As to the old nerf bat.... For the love of god I hope some developers come to their senses and stop this, not just Turbine but others as well
If a class, type, skill, item or any such entity or item is overpowered, how about raising other items up to scratch rather then nerfing something that works?

In the real world when something works better than everything else of it's equivalent, we set out to IMPROVE the rest....

I have my views on what could be done, but this troll thread isn't the place for it.

PS, greetings from across the pond!

Originally Posted by Numen

It's funny how you ignore the fact that hunter has the greatest renown gain, by a way or another. The greatest goal of pvmp is renown/infamy afterall, as rank is what we use to measure player individual skill and expirience.

Actually.. I thought the greatest goal of PvMP was to have fun .... But maybe that's just me.

And Rank DOES NOT measure skill. It measures how long you've played PvMP for. You could have played for 4 years and be high ranked, But still be very very ####.
An EX Laurelin Champion taught me that one.

I agree with Tainted_Black. I do not care that much for infamy, just want fun.

Measure rank with skill? I know freeps who could beat rank 10 players becuase they are not as skillful as the Rank 6 reavers. Not all, but just some. It all depends on the player.

His Remove stealth from the moors thread he mentions a warg easily killing a hunter...

I agree with the OP, Hunter needs nerf. Check how overpowered this hunter is pwning creeps 1v1 with no troubles.

http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.p...re-easy-Renown

Link is from the hunter section on these very forums showing how easy hunter is too play.

Originally Posted by LegendOfKamikazee

Check how overpowered this hunter is pwning creeps 1v1 with no troubles.

The comment to the video from the hunter says that most times he gets beaten by reavers. And, please, do not forget its "duels". They dont use all their skills/pots etc.

How many hunters do you know that are that good?

I say they are 1 in a few hundred at least. There's no hunter that good on Laurelin at PvMP spars solo.

You can't nerf a class because of 1 hunters greatness.

Originally Posted by LegendOfKamikazee

I agree with the OP, Hunter needs nerf. Check how overpowered this hunter is pwning creeps 1v1 with no troubles.

http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.p...re-easy-Renown

Link is from the hunter section on these very forums showing how easy hunter is too play.

And the comments in that thread you linked tear your argument to pieces.

Originally Posted by DorianFalkenmond

The comment to the video from the hunter says that most times he gets beaten by reavers. And, please, do not forget its "duels". They dont use all their skills/pots etc.

Well if he himself says that usually he loses, he is probably worse player than average. That's how it goes tbh.

Originally Posted by Numen

Well if he himself says that usually he loses, he is probably worse player than average. That's how it goes tbh.

ok, then if you lose or dont get as much as others, it shows you are a worse than average player.

problem solved, no nerf needed - learn to play.

Originally Posted by LEGOLAD

His Remove stealth from the moors thread he mentions a warg easily killing a hunter...

^ Conflicting information! Good catch, I haven't even taken the time to read his other thread. Kind of a reason why...