Thread: Hunters should be nerfed

Hunter is the only ranged class that does physical dmg in the whole game. Defiler, LM and RK all are magic casters. Magic overall is more powerful that any of the less "civilized" schools of combat. Hunters are the highest ranked players by average in lotro and that also speaks of the cruel fact that hunter is OP. Hunter has very heavy CC, long range and also very high damage. That's why I suggest a hunter nerf. Now don't start ranting that hunter is weak and stuff. Just check all those posts of hunter KD like 100. I don't think that's bad. That's really OP. Hunter even has desperate flight which is kinda equal to blink in WoW.

Wow. Nice thread. I could just say no, but I'll go into it a little bit.

Originally Posted by Numen

Hunter is the only ranged class that does physical dmg in the whole game. .

You started off on the wrong foot. No, hunter is not the only ranged class. You put a bow on anyone who can outfit it and they become ranged. Sure, not the same skills, but still ranged. Oh, and warden is a ranged class too btw.

Originally Posted by Numen

Magic overall is more powerful that any of the less "civilized" schools of combat.

By this logic then, hunters are less powerful than a magic class. Doesn't this destroy your whole argument?

Originally Posted by Numen

Hunter has very heavy CC, long range and also very high damage.

Don't see how two ranged AOE bow skills = heavy CC. Not like their CD is anything to write home about.

Originally Posted by Numen

Hunter even has desperate flight which is kinda equal to blink in WoW.

Now, I haven't played creep yet, but I have seen them disappear right as I am working them down. That leads me to believe that they can hit the /flee button as well.

I'm sorry, I just can't take your argument seriously. Were you pounded heavily by a hunter and had to come here to vent? Yes, they have high DPS and awesome range. Get inside that range and they can be worked over fairly quickly. Tactics man, tactics!

Hello. Welcome to the Turbine forums. I see you've dedicated your first post to this age old discussion.

What you describe is just part of the playstyle for a ranged class. I can point out that the highest ranked creep for the NA servers is a BA and they can thrive on stand offs just as much as their freep counterpart. Being that it's a class that only does physical damage, it has to go through the B/P/E of the creep, most of the time anyway - whereas tactical damage ignores that (and you just deal with resists).

Hunters however have a harder time in melee and Desperate Flight itself is no longer used in combat. So unless you can get out of combat or predict a fight you can't win, it's still not as powerful as it used to be in SoA days.

I guess what I'm getting at is I can't really say I'm sympathetic to your thread or agreeing. Think hunters have dealt with enough nerfs over the years.

Originally Posted by Van'cali

By this logic then, hunters are less powerful than a magic class. Doesn't this destroy your whole argument?

Oh wow, the ignorance............. Have u heard the phrase "Ignorance is bliss"??
Gandalf is way more powerful than Legolas in movies. Tell my, why does hunter do such a huge damage compared to Lore-master and Rune-keeper?

Originally Posted by Numen

Oh wow, the ignorance............. Have u heard the phrase "Ignorance is bliss"??
Gandalf is way more powerful than Legolas in movies. Tell my, why does hunter do such a huge damage compared to Lore-master and Rune-keeper?

Probably because Gandalf isn't the inspiration for those classes. In addition to that, LMs main role is not single-target DPS (and they destroy hunters at CC any day) and RKs can also heal, AND attack on the move a lot easier than hunters can. Hunters have straight up DPS and that's about it. No nerf needed.

Originally Posted by Numen

Oh wow, the ignorance............. Have u heard the phrase "Ignorance is bliss"??
Gandalf is way more powerful than Legolas in movies. Tell my, why does hunter do such a huge damage compared to Lore-master and Rune-keeper?

Hunters are by far the most easy class for my creeps to solo.

Rune keepers on the other hand are next to impossible to take down solo.

Hunters use to be far more powerful back before book 7 when they could df in combat and creeps were much weaker. Now they are just squishy targets to cut down without pause.

Your argumenting is paradoxal. How could hunter be easy target if he is the top class when it comes to renown gained overall? Rune-keeper is FAR FAR behind, lore-master aswell. If Rk is so powerful why hunter is so far ahead? Let's take an example: reaver vs. hunter. Reaver charges (immune to cc), but hunter keeps nuking him, charge ends, hunter starts spamming snares, roots, fears and mezz. Reaver dies. Reaver charge is useless against hunter because hunter can damage through the immunity.

Originally Posted by Numen

1.Your argumenting is paradoxal. How could hunter be easy target if he is the top class when it comes to renown gained overall? Rune-keeper is FAR FAR behind, lore-master aswell. If Rk is so powerful why hunter is so far ahead?

2.Let's take an example: reaver vs. hunter. Reaver charges (immune to cc), but hunter keeps nuking him, charge ends, hunter starts spamming snares, roots, fears and mezz. Reaver dies. Reaver charge is useless against hunter because hunter can damage through the immunity.

1. Hunters gain so much renown because they stay in raids leaching the most renown off of the rest of the raid due to DPSing from a 40m distance. Thats the ONLY reason hunters top the charts. Spend 30 mins watching raid vs raid action and you will see why.

2. You haven't spent much time in the moors? R6+ Reaver --------> Hunter. Reavers if they get their charge in first will decimate a hunters health before their charge runs out or the hunter manages to get off any CC.

Originally Posted by Victiswolf

1. Hunters gain so much renown because they stay in raids leaching the most renown off of the rest of the raid due to DPSing from a 40m distance. Thats the ONLY reason hunters top the charts. Spend 30 mins watching raid vs raid action and you will see why.

2. You haven't spent much time in the moors? R6+ Reaver --------> Hunter. Reavers if they get their charge in first will decimate a hunters health before their charge runs out or the hunter manages to get off any CC.

Well u didn't take into consideration that hunter can wait in stealth and when the reaver walks by, hunter can pop all cooldowns and heartseeker crit like 5000 and get the kill. If he fails he can DF away or start spamming the CC because reaver has no immunity.

Originally Posted by Numen

Well u didn't take into consideration that hunter can wait in stealth and when the reaver walks by, hunter can pop all cooldowns and heartseeker crit like 5000 and get the kill. If he fails he can DF away or start spamming the CC because reaver has no immunity.

So your idea of OP is someone who has to hide and then pop all their cooldowns to beat someone who isn't even fighting back yet?

Originally Posted by Numen

Well u didn't take into consideration that hunter can wait in stealth and when the reaver walks by, hunter can pop all cooldowns and heartseeker crit like 5000 and get the kill. If he fails he can DF away or start spamming the CC because reaver has no immunity.

Hunters rarely wait in stealth solo looking targets as any other class can roll a hunter with little effort. Reavers can ambush hunters using tree stealth + Charge + disarm

A Reaver has 2 ways to break CC and can take 8-9k damage before falling. He has plenty of time to find cover.
DF can not be used in combat.

When I read the OP I was going to say "weak troll", but it seems to have worked, so perhaps it's at least a mediocre troll.

Originally Posted by Numen

Well u didn't take into consideration that hunter can wait in stealth and when the reaver walks by, hunter can pop all cooldowns and heartseeker crit like 5000 and get the kill. If he fails he can DF away or start spamming the CC because reaver has no immunity.

You are talking nonsense , how often does hnt crit 5k? 1 out of 5 times? + The Desperate flighs is nerfed ages ago ... cant be used in combat so you need to be rly "lucky" that you get out of combat and df..

Originally Posted by Numen

Oh wow, the ignorance............. Have u heard the phrase "Ignorance is bliss"??
Gandalf is way more powerful than Legolas in movies. Tell my, why does hunter do such a huge damage compared to Lore-master and Rune-keeper?

Because the hunter is a DPS class. Duh! If not, who would bother playing it? Seriously, have you been playing this game little troll? You do know that LM is CC, RK is heal/DPS, and hunt is DPS. End of story.

*gives troll offering of more food*

people, people. All you have to do is watch his pvp videos and then realize... No one should take him seriously.

Obvious troll is obvious.

Awesome. Awesome to the max.

I don't think I'm needed here.

There's a troll in the dungeon. Just thought you should know.

^^ Numec, America is just not ready for you.

Originally Posted by Numen

Rune-keeper is FAR FAR behind, lore-master aswell. If Rk is so powerful why hunter is so far ahead?

You seem to coincidentally not mention that the hunter has been in existence for 19 months longer than the RK has.

Good effort at trolling, but please don't give it away so easily.

Looks someone was farmed by hunter and rage quited game to cry on forums :P

Hunters rarely wait in stealth solo looking targets as any other class can roll a hunter with little effort.?

Burgs and wargs do this aswell and they seem to me very fond of it. Nobody just talks about hunters duing this stuff aswell. Funny of you to just say stealth is not OP on a DPS class that is even more powerful than mages.

You are talking nonsense , how often does hnt crit 5k? 1 out of 5 times? + The Desperate flighs is nerfed ages ago

20% chance to almost 1-hit a rank6+ creep or so is imo overpowered. Also no matter how much you nerf desperate flight, the skill works in such manner than you have one instant oppoturnity to escape unpleasant situation.

Because the hunter is a DPS class. Duh! If not, who would bother playing it? Seriously, have you been playing this game little troll? You do know that LM is CC, RK is heal/DPS, and hunt is DPS. End of story.

Rk is DPS class too when he specs so. He even has legacies to increase his dps. Lore-master is also one of the best DPS classes in game when he specs MONF. Check the legacies on LM staff, all of them are for DPS... Wake up! This is now WoW, this is new generation MMORPG. How many times I have to tell you people?

unless the hunter gets the drop on a creep he's done for because if somthin hits him first it means there pretty close and are going to be slowing inductions thats why you see very very few hunters with any skill in 1v1's. I think that no nerf is needed and that there will always be this discussion of who's the most "op"

ps the one reason why we hunters are so high ranked is that there an orignal class, and we can tag a bunch of stuff and get small renown when there killed

With the many threads I have read on these forums, this is the first one I actually wish I could make *poof* just disappear. It's obvious the poster got pwned by a Hunter and is venting. Try playing a Hunter and we'll see just how OP they are. They are heavy DPS. Limited to medium armor and have poor Hand to hand skills as another poster pointed out. Please educate yourself by trying the class first before coming over here and illustrating your failure at playing the class you got owned with.

I think Hunters should be BUFFED and kill everything with one shot. THERE! Take that! Muahahahaaha!

Long may your threads prosper, Numec

Originally Posted by Numen

Freeps don't gain infamy. Secondly, I told you to stay on topic and all you do now is talk about my religious views. Maybe you failed your reading comprehension at school, oh wait, in america you don't do that stuff at all...

You got me there. I have no idea what they learn in american schools.
I'm Estonian. I live in Tallinn, thats about 60km south of Helsinki

You're the one who came up with the religion argument. Stay on the topic you created, please.

The only complaint against hunters I have is that their fear is really annoying and I hate tracking spam.

But thats just me being a warg here.

Seriously. Put some diminishing returns on tracking, geez.
Tracked 1x, fine.
Tracked 2x, you get 10 sec buff which makes track impossible.
Tracked 3x or more you get 1 min buff which makes track impossible.

Just my 2 cents here.
Carry on.

Originally Posted by Gluthrog

You got me there. I have no idea what they learn in american schools.
I'm Estonian. I live in Tallinn, thats about 60km south of Helsinki .

Estonia was recently part of Russia so afterall my point is still valid though U're Russian instead of american. No offence. Just a little history lesson here and there is good for all of us.

I feel sorry for the Americans, now they also have Numec on the forums, I'm sure you'll get used to it..but still...

Sensing major thread derailment.

WANING! WARNING! WARNING!

Originally Posted by Numen

Estonia was recently part of Russia so afterall my point is still valid though U're Russian instead of american. No offence. Just a little history lesson here and there is good for all of us.

Like someone already said, obvious troll is an obvious troll. A little history lesson here and there would be good for all of us, indeed

EDIT: By the way, your argument makes finns russians as well because of the little mishap at Karjala? I mean that bit of land is still a part of russia and there are finns living there even as we speak. Funny thing about the boomerangs.. they tend to hit you on your ###.

Originally Posted by Gluthrog

Like someone already said, obvious troll is an obvious troll. A little history lesson here and there would be good for all of us, indeed

EDIT: By the way, your argument makes finns russians as well because of the little mishap at Karjala? I mean that bit of land is still a part of russia and there are finns living there even as we speak. Funny thing about the boomerangs.. they tend to hit you on your ###.

Estonia was part of Soviet union so basically u're Russian. Finland never was part of Soviet Union. You see, you really needed the lesson.

I don't know which is more entertaining. The fact that the OP does not play Monster play very much, or the fact it's gone completly off topic.

Originally Posted by Numen

Estonia was part of Soviet union so basically u're Russian. Finland never was part of Soviet Union. You see, you really needed the lesson.

Alright, i'm russian. What it has to do with hunters being overpowered is still a little hazy though.

I haven't had a problem with hunters since Moria came out so you must be doing something wrong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHk4UegZZSo

The only thing OP about hunters is that they have unlimited arrows. They should have to like pay for them, or something.

Originally Posted by Numen

Hunter is the only ranged class that does physical dmg in the whole game. Defiler, LM and RK all are magic casters. Magic overall is more powerful that any of the less "civilized" schools of combat. Hunters are the highest ranked players by average in lotro and that also speaks of the cruel fact that hunter is OP. Hunter has very heavy CC, long range and also very high damage. That's why I suggest a hunter nerf. Now don't start ranting that hunter is weak and stuff. Just check all those posts of hunter KD like 100. I don't think that's bad. That's really OP. Hunter even has desperate flight which is kinda equal to blink in WoW.

Oh p.s. your "PvP" Videos are unbelievably embarassing. I wonder why such a terrible player would record how bad he is an let everyone see.

Originally Posted by Tingilinde

I feel sorry for the Americans, now they also have Numec on the forums, I'm sure you'll get used to it..but still...

They won't last long. There's been far far better trolls.

Originally Posted by Spacmanbobr

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHk4UegZZSo

The only thing OP about hunters is that they have unlimited arrows. They should have to like pay for them, or something.

That's a terrible ideas. Should guards and champions pay for their arrows from Let Fly? How about wardens start paying for all the javelins they throw.

1. This is a troll thread.

2. They should not be nerfed.

None of your points make any sense and blatantly ignore other plain facts. Funny thread though.