Arguments apart, the one pattern i see forming is less creeps stay and log back as creep then I see freeps. I can count on my fingers how many regular creep players there are, but I can probally write you a list of regular freep players.
Bram is correct about one thing, creeps log off when the freep team gets bigger, but so do the freeps. Apart from one or two on each side, who end up logging through boredom because there isn't any fights, or if there is one its very one sided. I ask you wheres the fun in been killed a lot when your the few that decided not to log when the going got to hard, I certainly have had enough of spending more time running from the spawn point then actually fighting.
As for low rank creeps farming freeps for a few weeks, why are most creeps still rank 5 and below and most freeps are rank 8+?
Edited due to my bad English, which is a laugh as its my first language!
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"I'm in awe of peoples stupidity and the Hypocrisy they show."
Phakdush Baka, The Gramsfoot Canaries
Arguments apart, the one pattern i see forming is less creeps stay and log back as creep then I see freeps. I can count on my fingers how many regular creep players there are, but I can probally write you a list of regular freep players.
Bram is correct about one thing, creeps log off when the freep team gets bigger, but so do the freeps. Apart from one or two on each side, who end up logging through boredom because there isn't any fights, or if there is one its very one sided. I ask you wheres the fun in been killed a lot when your the few that decided not to log when the going got to hard, I certainly have had enough of spending more time running from the spawn point then actually fighting.
As for low rank creeps farming freeps for a few weeks, why are most creeps still rank 5 and below and most freeps are rank 8+?
Edited due to my bad English, which is a laugh as its my first language!
Most high rank freeps transferred here, narthivor is the highest ranked natural, who's on 91k atm. He was about 10k ahead of Goor before he transfered. As for the whole farming, infamy gain on creeps is lower then renown gain on hunter, even though I either duo with dps or join the public group.
Nice fight Roxy, got close in the end, so stop draining me power
Good to see there are still ppl who dont run from fair 1vs1 fights even if its a defiler.
You'll get the hang of it,eventually. Though(unless your going on another character) going in at 53 isn't the best of ideas :P
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Fandio - Level 45 Burglar.
Im not a warg, im a furry reaver, don't be confused by all the fur, it's just my reaver manly hair.
I have too many characters to fit in this damn thing.
Hi, I'm new to the forums and Ettenmoors. Rotta is the name, burglaring is the game.
I heard my HIPSing habbit makes me a ###### out there in the moors. I apologize for that, but can't seem to help it. I don't like the long walk back if I die, nor do I like to loose the consumables which I might have running on me. And ofc it doesn't help at all, that I'm still a bit coward with all them horrible creeps out there. This was my second day in PvP. I'm trying to get rid of the bad habbit, and for now stop HIPSing when ever I'm not on consumables (or going for a smoke after dying). I don't care about the ratios and what not. I'm just here for the kicks.
On another topic, is it really that hard to get in fs/raid on freepside? Gotten in only a couple of times, other than that I just sneak around trying to mezz/stun things up and trying to kill them slowly (that's what my wep is made for, that's how I'm traited). But it seems I just loose all the points I could get, as stunning doesnt do much dmg and the fs's end up killing my targets lol. Should I re-trait for better dpsing, or is there usually open fs's around?
Still in the learning period, but gotta give a big hand to the creeps, u seem to have good tactics at times, and u got some very powerfull creeps around, can't even hope to scratch some of u yet.
Hi, I'm new to the forums and Ettenmoors. Rotta is the name, burglaring is the game.
I heard my HIPSing habbit makes me a ###### out there in the moors. I apologize for that, but can't seem to help it. I don't like the long walk back if I die, nor do I like to loose the consumables which I might have running on me. And ofc it doesn't help at all, that I'm still a bit coward with all them horrible creeps out there. This was my second day in PvP. I'm trying to get rid of the bad habbit, and for now stop HIPSing when ever I'm not on consumables (or going for a smoke after dying). I don't care about the ratios and what not. I'm just here for the kicks.
On another topic, is it really that hard to get in fs/raid on freepside? Gotten in only a couple of times, other than that I just sneak around trying to mezz/stun things up and trying to kill them slowly (that's what my wep is made for, that's how I'm traited). But it seems I just loose all the points I could get, as stunning doesnt do much dmg and the fs's end up killing my targets lol. Should I re-trait for better dpsing, or is there usually open fs's around?
Still in the learning period, but gotta give a big hand to the creeps, u seem to have good tactics at times, and u got some very powerfull creeps around, can't even hope to scratch some of u yet.
Rotta - The Coward
First of all.. cant tell if Troll or not
HIPSing is OK,its your Skill.... BUT its how PPl use it that makes them Coward ^.^ If you fight 4v1 and kill 1-2 and hips to get away... no coward.. if you fight 1v3 and hips to just not die... coward (you get what i mean ? still,its ok to use it,since most ppl will do the same,lately even i refuse to die as warg )
Then... im no Pro Burg at all,but you wont get much Points when your solo and next to the Raid,or Grp of Freeps... since your dmg is low,and you got 0 aoe and u have to run to the creeps,while ranged just pew pews... Try to single out one Target,and keep hitting it to get the most Points for it...,stunning/slowing maybe some targets if you in a small Grp,so the DPS can kill it easier..
Burgs imo are OP in Moors,but they dont make alot of Points in Zergs
Anyway.. welcome to the Moors Have Fun,thats the most Important Thing isnt it...
About the HIPS, as Cillion Stated, your free to use what ever skill you got. Depending on the situation it can be lame to use a skill though. HIPS can be annoying even as man heal, last stand, disappear, ...... and so on.
Whatever you do some ppl will complain about it just dont worry about it.
I dont play on freep side so not sure about the grouping over there. On creep side there are always some friends grouping but a lot go solo too. I only make a raid when there's lots of freeps or we are outnumbered like yesterday evening. But as soon as most freeps left i disbanded it.
Hi, I'm new to the forums and Ettenmoors. Rotta is the name, burglaring is the game.
I heard my HIPSing habbit makes me a ###### out there in the moors. I apologize for that, but can't seem to help it. I don't like the long walk back if I die, nor do I like to loose the consumables which I might have running on me. And ofc it doesn't help at all, that I'm still a bit coward with all them horrible creeps out there. This was my second day in PvP. I'm trying to get rid of the bad habbit, and for now stop HIPSing when ever I'm not on consumables (or going for a smoke after dying). I don't care about the ratios and what not. I'm just here for the kicks.
On another topic, is it really that hard to get in fs/raid on freepside? Gotten in only a couple of times, other than that I just sneak around trying to mezz/stun things up and trying to kill them slowly (that's what my wep is made for, that's how I'm traited). But it seems I just loose all the points I could get, as stunning doesnt do much dmg and the fs's end up killing my targets lol. Should I re-trait for better dpsing, or is there usually open fs's around?
Still in the learning period, but gotta give a big hand to the creeps, u seem to have good tactics at times, and u got some very powerfull creeps around, can't even hope to scratch some of u yet.
Rotta - The Coward
I wouldnt call you a coward, you kept coming back and having a go today.
But if you think some of us are powerful now just wait till more of us are rank 9 and above.
"I'm in awe of peoples stupidity and the Hypocrisy they show."
Phakdush Baka, The Gramsfoot Canaries
Raid leading for creeps is a lot harder, sorry I went today, I had 4 wargs not following me, not listening to me or following Rat. It was getting tedious.
Raid leading for creeps is a lot harder, sorry I went today, I had 4 wargs not following me, not listening to me or following Rat. It was getting tedious.
Depends on the group your having. We have some experienced players and leading them is like a walk in the park.
But the last week i had some groups too were ppl didnt follow me or rat. Most annoying when you wanna flank and half the group is missing.
And leading wargs is hard anyway cause they all wanna scout
Depends on the group your having. We have some experienced players and leading them is like a walk in the park.
But the last week i had some groups too were ppl didnt follow me or rat. Most annoying when you wanna flank and half the group is missing.
And leading wargs is hard anyway cause they all wanna scout
Aye but when every warg decides to run intol Tol and aggro every NPC while we are in the middle of fighting gah.
Your not very powerful :P You just like to hug whenyou are 5 vs. 2 etc
Ok I have only jsut come back to playing on WW after a break, from what I have seen it appears that Freeps love to Hug SB even when they know that they have the upper hand. Its funny, I was grouped with Phak, on my WL and about 2 others, we weren't hugging at all we were charging SB and even though we were pulling the whole bridge we were still getting kills. So if you say we are hugging come out from the mask of Anonyimity and tell us who you are, so when it seems appropriate we can have a decent fight. Also judging by your post you have never even logged onto a creep, therefore you don't know what we can achieve being low ranks with barely any skills against decently geared Freeps.
The warden Sidewinder is a good example, 10k health knows what how to play a warden is a beast.
Ok I have only jsut come back to playing on WW after a break, from what I have seen it appears that Freeps love to Hug SB even when they know that they have the upper hand. Its funny, I was grouped with Phak, on my WL and about 2 others, we weren't hugging at all we were charging SB and even though we were pulling the whole bridge we were still getting kills. So if you say we are hugging come out from the mask of Anonyimity and tell us who you are, so when it seems appropriate we can have a decent fight. Also judging by your post you have never even logged onto a creep, therefore you don't know what we can achieve being low ranks with barely any skills against decently geared Freeps.
The warden Sidewinder is a good example, 10k health knows what how to play a warden is a beast.
I have several creeps and I know full well what its like. There are some who charges and actually tries to pvp like elastoplasto then there are those who suddenly gets brave when they are outnumbering freeps. Like as of this moment there are about 6-7 wargs, 2 defilers, 2 reavers, 1 weaver and a BA. They are very brave now when they got their buddies to log on because they got their asses kicked. We were 6 freeps and they were 8 at first, then 10. Still they hugged and ran to TR. So stop giving me that low rank BS, I sparred LMs when I was r2-5. It's good practice and you can win if you know what you are doing.
I am Hobrobs btw :P Never been anonymous, just because you don't know who I am, it doesn't mean I'm hiding.
PS. Last night was very good but the skill level on some of Elastos groupmates were lacking. Good fun though, atleast that guy is intrested in PvP and not hugging and farming even when in greater numbers.
PS2. Btw. if you had a look at that link in my sig you would've not have come to the conclussion that Im anonymous ;P
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I have several creeps and I know full well what its like. There are some who charges and actually tries to pvp like elastoplasto then there are those who suddenly gets brave when they are outnumbering freeps. Like as of this moment there are about 6-7 wargs, 2 defilers, 2 reavers, 1 weaver and a BA. They are very brave now when they got their buddies to log on because they got their asses kicked. We were 6 freeps and they were 8 at first, then 10. Still they hugged and ran to TR. So stop giving me that low rank BS, I sparred LMs when I was r2-5. It's good practice and you can win if you know what you are doing.
I am Hobrobs btw :P Never been anonymous, just because you don't know who I am, it doesn't mean I'm hiding.
PS. Last night was very good but the skill level on some of Elastos groupmates were lacking. Good fun though, atleast that guy is intrested in PvP and not hugging and farming even when in greater numbers.
PS2. Btw. if you had a look at that link in my sig you would've not have come to the conclussion that Im anonymous ;P
I have several creeps and I know full well what its like. There are some who charges and actually tries to pvp like elastoplasto then there are those who suddenly gets brave when they are outnumbering freeps. Like as of this moment there are about 6-7 wargs, 2 defilers, 2 reavers, 1 weaver and a BA. They are very brave now when they got their buddies to log on because they got their asses kicked. We were 6 freeps and they were 8 at first, then 10. Still they hugged and ran to TR. So stop giving me that low rank BS, I sparred LMs when I was r2-5. It's good practice and you can win if you know what you are doing.
I am Hobrobs btw :P Never been anonymous, just because you don't know who I am, it doesn't mean I'm hiding.
PS. Last night was very good but the skill level on some of Elastos groupmates were lacking. Good fun though, atleast that guy is intrested in PvP and not hugging and farming even when in greater numbers.
PS2. Btw. if you had a look at that link in my sig you would've not have come to the conclussion that Im anonymous ;P
I have led a couple of groups today but cant remember a fight were creeps hugged and ran to TR though, guess i logged on later.
Hugging happens on both sides and will always happen. Ofc i prefer fights in the open but sometimes you need npcs to have a chance of killing some. As for numbers, from the other side it always seems if ppl cant count
We had a nice fight though at TR HS, we had the numbers but not enough heals and too many ppl not following rat. Thats why we had a follow the leader and rat session on our own hope you fellow creeps didnt mind but was a bit annoyed by ppl not following.
I have also played a lot as freep and in general i can surely say that freeps are more anxious to die, prob because creeps die a lot in their early ranks.
But hey its the moors everything is allowed. Me and Phak just got ganked standing on the bridge after sparring. I think its lame but i'm not complaining cause its the moors and anything can happen. If you cant stand it just dont come here.
I have led a couple of groups today but cant remember a fight were creeps hugged and ran to TR though, guess i logged on later.
Hugging happens on both sides and will always happen. Ofc i prefer fights in the open but sometimes you need npcs to have a chance of killing some. As for numbers, from the other side it always seems if ppl cant count
We had a nice fight though at TR HS, we had the numbers but not enough heals and too many ppl not following rat. Thats why we had a follow the leader and rat session on our own hope you fellow creeps didnt mind but was a bit annoyed by ppl not following.
I have also played a lot as freep and in general i can surely say that freeps are more anxious to die, prob because creeps die a lot in their early ranks.
But hey its the moors everything is allowed. Me and Phak just got ganked standing on the bridge after sparring. I think its lame but i'm not complaining cause its the moors and anything can happen. If you cant stand it just dont come here.
Ganking spars is lame I wont argue with you there :P
I do believe I speak on behalf of the creep population of the server, at least those who were online, when I extend my thanks to the freeps who was in moors last night for the great fights we had.
All the creeps who participated in the fights had a great time when fighting last night, when we finally had a fight the way it was supposed to be.
If everyone who comes to the moors would come and play that way, we would all have a great time and we would see more ppl come to join us on both sides.
Having played creep for about 3 weeks this is one of the best fights I have had since I started and I for one had a great time.
Come again anytime you want, and we will be more than happy to give you a fight to remember.
Once again, thanks to all who was there for a great fight and a fun evening.
I certainly hope so, because most freeps that come to moors these days are only looking for an easy framing session.
It seems that as soon as creeps group up and fight back they leave.
Or if they dont see us for a while because we are trying to flank them or roaming the map, they either sit on the same spot waiting for us to come for them or leave, instead of trying to go looking for us.
There is one group in particular, not gonna name names here and they know who they are, they take the "easy farming session" to the extreme.
Even if they outnumber us 3 to 1 or more they always run back and hug NPCs instead of facing us in the open.
Its is the general consensus among almost all creeps that when these guys come around, we leaqve, because we are not interested in having them farm us and give nothing in return.
What many of us would like to see are roaming raids on both sides and epic fights in the open anywhere on the map, not just controlled static fights near TA/EC or other NPC hub.
We are not Scripted NPCs that will just stand there when you attack us, we are real players who want to have some fun as well.
Simply put, when coming to moors stop hugging EC/Stab, instead come out and fight and see how much more fun that is then the way they are doing it now.
Its not the end of the world if you die, and most creeps are utterly fed up with the this attitude and getting ganked 14v1 + NPCs all the time.
Many are even considering starting over on another server, or moving when transfers become available, as there is no fun in the current state of things.
I have to say that despite the frustrations brought about by a spanish named kin, the action over the weekend was superb! certainly the best group / raid action I have seen in my months on withy. Lets keep it upbeat and deadly.
Yes we had some very good fights, and I noticed II and DOH in particular had no problems fighting us on even terms, along with some other players as well.
One thing I found impressive was that a group of 4 II members was able to wipe a group of 8 Cereeps, good job guys.
Oh and thanks Gwarth for letting me get in a KB on you, not every day you get to KB your own kin leader.
Hello to everyone, I would like to say that Hispania is getting burned in some channels such as GlobalLFF or OCC with some kind of lies by some people, for example we are 10 people, we are 15, We are 15 vs 1 or we always run away. And please, there is no point on it, and u really know it.
Firstly,I say we have never been more than 8 people in Ettenmoors. For example today night we were 5, later we were 4. And in GlobalLFF u were talking about 10 people, which is unfair.
Secondly, We have never exceeded the creep number in more than 3 or 4 with all others freeps.
Thirdly, We have gone in Etten when creeps exceeded the number in 2/1 like yesterday night, we were 4 Hispanias with 2 Myrmidones, fighting against 10 creeps. After this we were 5, and u still were in TR gate waiting for us to pull NPCS. After that we moved to EC waiting for you, u never come t fight. In TA were very similar cases to this one, where creeps were waiting us to fight with all NPCs army.
Finally, I would like to say that we run away when we have no chance, and we can get ganked by you very easilly, but the point is... who doesnt do it? Because all creeps do it aswell, with no exeptions even the people who is criticizing us do it, and not only this, they leave etten inciting others to logg all and letting etten empty of creeps. Excussing about farming when most of times there are 3 freeps against 10 creeps in EC.
The treatment that Hispania is having is not the right by talking about us in channels.
I am usually the leader of freep Hispania raid (It means fellowship, because we only exceeded the number of 6 in 2 cases) and I dont like that my people get ganked to give you easy infamy, If u want our points, you will have to work harder and be more coordinates. Because we wont make easy to you. I want to make clear what PVP means, which is people VS people, Do u allow to kill yourself when you are raiding against LT in BG for example? I am sure you do all possible to keep alive and don't let him kill your people. PVP is even more special, which means, a WAR were there are enemies. Enemies but with respect, and some of you are missing this concept in the channels giving a wrong definition what Hispania is doing.
Thanks for your attention
Sekarior
The respect you refer to is something that is earned over time as a consequence of actions (or inaction)
Whilst you may not be fully aware of the consequences of certain actions, other players are fully aware.
I agree that PvP is war and anyting goes, I also agree that one should do everything to defend oneself.
What I do not agree with is certain behavioural patters that constitute what is generally considered cowardice.
Here is give an example.....
There is a melee taking place with action and bravery being shown by both sides ...finally one side dominates and pushes other side back. Out of nowhere comes a fully tricked on "all skills off CD" Burg that took no part in the fight.
that burg then proceedes to dispatch one or more players that "survived by skin of their teeth" as they have low morale & no power to fight back. Is that war? is that smart? is that selfishness? I don't know. What I can say is that
whoever acts like that will build a negative "reputation" and attract derision.
Whilst I don't want to see anybody leave EM as it is getting very interesting. Sometime a pause for thought and reflection can work wonders....
As to the OOC comments made against Hispania lets hope there is no need for any of that.
As u know, I have a burglar that is called Sekaria and I am most of time in Moors, even when u are farming freeps for hours which is the point u criticize. Both sides do it, so sometimes u get points sometimes u give points, what i know is that u dont leave when there are 2 freeps in EC, while u are more than 6. For sure u will have many examples of this situation. What I dont understand is why u say that I only come when freeps are winning and I attack to targets who are close to die only.
As many of you know, i kept combats of 1 vs 4, 1 vs 3, ganking in some occasions all of them, but in others after defeat the first or second one, or kill nothing because of your heals or because i have 20 npcs on me because u dot stop running or because both aswell, I leave, this is logic, i have no power, i have low morale... why I will keep in the combat till I die, it sounds in rude words "stupid". I wont let that u catch me, there is no point.
On the other hand, many time i have cds in everything and I still try to kill something, and of course, if I see a creep who is damaged already ad he is leaving the battlefiel (In your point of view it shouldn't happen, but it does), I go for him. It is renown that freeps and me gain with his dead. And sometimes I choose targets that are 9.3k or something like this, u can ask some reavers, wls or defilers, so u can get a better idea what i do.
Cowardice is not the correct definition of gank 1 creep in middle of all your raid when u are doing nothing and then leave, when u got defilers, WL,spiders , wargs, what do u spectate? i keep there and change my life for his life, if u are waiting that u can have a sit and keep waiting.
Many people, when they see me, they leave the target and go for me, when i come with captain everybody goes to me like crazy, because u are not able to kill my burglar, but i dont care it, i will continue in Etten accepting your revenge and anger because is pvp, If u want to focus me, as you are doing, and move all server against me,i dont care , i will have to eat many times. But remember that my burglar will be there later on.
Sincerely
Sekarior
Sek, i don't intend to start a vendetta against you.
Indeed I am unable to do so as I have no freeps i play with in PVE so am unable to make comments freepside.
TBH I found it very difficult to follow the thread you posted most recently as english is not your native tongue.
Lets just say for the time being that you have a certain playstyle. Time will tell wether it is considered ligitimate or otherwise. I do not intend to pursue or reduce your game experience any further.
I was on last night fighting freeps around stab, was some nice fair good fights. Then all off a sudden your kinship was mentioned in the Creep OCC Chat.
Most of the creeps then loged, or just map to grams. I asked what was going on and was told not nice things about yourself/Kinship.
I dont care if i get ganked,jumped or zerg by freeps as it pvp and you have to expect this in pvp based game. But some creeps will not like it.
Have you ever heard the expression, "action speak louder than words"?
Your actions in the moors speak for themselves, and your reputation precedes you.
Trying to play the victim is not going to get you anywhere, as the word is already out.
I have seen what you guys are doing, and so have everyone else.
You camp spawn points, you hide behind rocks and other outcroppings and just wait for a lone creep to run by so you can jump him 10 to 1, all of you run back and hug NPCs as soon as just one of you take a single hit from us.
I have seen you in particular, you come in to get the killing blow on an already weak enemy and then HIPS and run away again so as to not get killed, how is that working for your points?
The things you accuse us of doing is exactly the things you yourselves are guilty of.
We have several times tried to explain to you that the way you play is not fun for us, but your responses can be boiled down to one single sentence, "I dont care as I'm having fun, so #### off".
If you had been OBSERVING the fight we had with II and some others last night at STAB you would see that we have no problem fighting a fair fight, and you could also see what kind of fights we prefer to have.
We had a great time and really good fights there until you guys showed up ad ruined it.
I would also like to direct you to my previous post a few days ago about the current state of the moors play and how we would like to see things to be. http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.p...57#post5591457
Its time for you to wake up and see that things are changing and the creep population are growing.
You cant come to the moors anymore and expect an easy farming session, if you do the creeps with either leave or they will band together to chase you out, in ether case you will find yourself on the losing side.
The word is already out, everyone has seen how you guys play and heard your responses in global.
Trying to get support by playing the victim is not the way do go about this.
Even the freeps agree with us, and if you keep this up you will end up alienating the whole community.
You brought this on yourselves, and only changing the way you play can help and I suggest you start before its too late.
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