First of all i m playing lotro 1,5 year and pvp for 5 months so i m not a pro.. ''Never said it, these are your words''
Second, every player on both sides creeps/freeps have seen me played the last 5 months (almost everyday) and know what i have gave to pvp of the server (ask players who logged daily for many hours ''if u can recognize them'')
Third, you copy only one part from what i said so as u give wrong impression for not giving points..
If u outnumbered (5v10 usually) with no heals, instead of staying on gy or log out (like u do) one part of the game is to stay fight and try to stay alive. In such conditions u ll be winner only if u stay and don t give points instead of log out..
I don t know about my skills but for my behavior can t anyone tell something on the server because I have never clob I have never watch a freep being killed without helping it I have never log from freep to creep side or opposite to get advantage.. At my raids are all welcome so u can t blame me for the bad pvp of the server (ask your m8s)
Search on your ratings to see who are those who giving points (mine highest is about 1470 ever, usually from 1200 to 1350)
Yesterday after your kinm8s said to us that ''we ll come after u ll get a wipe'' i shout them at ta (they were staying on gy) and both made the 15 creep raid to make wipe.. I SHOUT THEM.. Whoose stance was better for the pvp of server? The ''watcher's'' stance or the ''come all together to make them wipe'' stance?
After all of these i spar 3 kin m8s of yous fillinas halgelod and thekid (they provoke me) in 5 min and the 3 of them wiped so i m able to beat good players like your kinm8s..
About Pveing.. Freep side has much less quests than creep side.. When there is a battle i m always at battles.. When i loged in the morning i m wondering trying to find any creep i ll make some quests.. (it s better than pveing on alts somewhere in bree like u do..)
5 months = 150 days. In this period about 7800 kills and 1200 kb. If u know maths 7800/150= 52 kills per day 1200/150=8 kb per day if we suppose that i loged every day since the day i started.. It s not so large number but in our server cant do much better in 5 months.. If all the players of the server had those numbers pvp on withy would be much better.
Less words and more respect at opponents will make pvp of server better
P.S.It 's the 1st time i write in foroum and i d like to thank all the pvp players in both sides (specially freep side) who are bleeding every night at moors.
Freeps are almost all the time outnumbered,but freeps contique to fight but when creeps find hard time instead of fighting they log out.The attitude of a person seems at hard times..
Creeps have a clearly advancement by mother turbine and in our case by server.You re not pro when you say i am so pro.Numbers say when you are , and my friends numbers dont lie.
Personally,when i stand alone and i see 3 ranked creeps charging me i will go near NPCs wherever they are.It's common sense.
Some other thing that i really hate its the players that i like to call ''always winning side players''.Opp creeps are winning lets go with my creep,upps freeps are now more powerful logging out and entering with my freep.or the worst part the ''spy part''.For example when some1 is with his freep to provide info about the tactics of the main raid and when time comes he just avoids battle or sits there doing nothing.
Great players earn respect not by the level of their char but from the level of their soul
Peace and love to both creeps and freeps
Third, you copy only one part from what i said so as u give wrong impression for not giving points..
If u outnumbered (5v10 usually) with no heals, instead of staying on gy or log out (like u do) one part of the game is to stay fight and try to stay alive. In such conditions u ll be winner only if u stay and don t give points instead of log out..
Search on your ratings to see who are those who giving points (mine highest is about 1470 ever, usually from 1200 to 1350)
Yesterday after your kinm8s said to us that ''we ll come after u ll get a wipe'' i shout them at ta (they were staying on gy) and both made the 15 creep raid to make wipe.. I SHOUT THEM.. Whoose stance was better for the pvp of server? The ''watcher's'' stance or the ''come all together to make them wipe'' stance?
After all of these i spar 3 kin m8s of yous fillinas halgelod and thekid (they provoke me) in 5 min and the 3 of them wiped so i m able to beat good players like your kinm8s..
HARAS
1) Its never been 5v10 when i have seen u hugging, you always have som1 in your group that can heal but chooses not too. + u also have the nerve to mock our kinship when we are fighting 16 creeps with 7 people and making 12+ kills before wipe while u hug keeps and if you can kill the rest of the creeps we missed at the end of our fights.
2) Dont think myrmidones have ever made me want to log out ever, since i dislike almost all of you.
3) DI has high rating because we are good at PvP not because we hug keeps and log out when there is an even fight (like arwood)
4) We all know how you spar haras using all CDs and pots with full audacity to loose to a r8 rvr (using no CDs) with 1 audacity and no buffs sums up your skills in PvP. Thekid spars fairly with no CDs ( that is the only reason u beat him ). Fillinas is undergeared completely. Halg is again a fair PvP'er and u used all CD's against him aswell. Thats not a victory thats just imbalance.
So,you spared a Hunter and won ? GZ xD You beat Fillinas wich has no gear yet.. wow impressive ! Yes you beat Thekid,but be honest who used the CDs and who didnt :3
This afternoon,you had a Minstrel *waves at Arwoods Minstrel* ,and a RK with your grp,that both didnt seem to heal and u where not that heavily outnumbered.. and you kept hugging TR and some of u left,after we wiped you from TA to EC... You clearly say u dont want to give points,well then learn to play... 7 freeps can kill 12 midranked creeps easy.. very easy... how many more times do i have to say that ? lol..
We arent gonna help people with your attitude of : In such conditions u ll be winner only if u stay and don t give points ! or [OOC] Haras: 'one part of the game is to win points and another is not to give'
If you cant beat 10-12 creeps with 7 freeps you gotta step up your game,you play the strong side.. stop denying that ffs...
Ok,now should i be impressed about 7800 total Kills and 1200 KBs with 330k total renown ? If anything it shows that you Quested alot lol..
Since my Burg has a total renown of 219k with 75xx total Kills and 15xx KBs.. wich i admit are bad burg stats,but i didnt camp GY or ganked lowranks all day like i should have done :3 but do the math.. you are 120k renown ahead with just 200 more kills total and less KBs.. quite some Quest renown there if ya ask me..
Yes most of our Peoples rating is above average,although,if a creepraid of 12-13 ppl cant manage to kill us 6-7 while we have NPCs on us,then that isnt our Problem if at the end we get more and more rating...
Respect for People like you ? Never You said multiple times now that you play to not give Points to the Creeps,you think creeps are the stronger side.. and much more..
@ Lich : #1 If freeps need same numbers to beat creeps then they are bad players. Turbine gives advantage to creeps ? Did you ever play creep and fought a freep ? You might think we switch to the winning side,we usually switch to kill you guys like Haras Raids etc. And no,we dont switch to the winning side... we simply make the side we are on the winning one,cause we are decent players that know what they are doing!
Edith says : And,just like i said to Getta... Haras go play Creep for a few Months,fight Freeps that play like you do.. then fight me a few times 1v1 on your Creep.. And then say again Creeps are equal to freeps. same goes for every one of you that thinks that ofc.
AND : You PvE ing in Moors is better then us PvEing in Bree ? You mean thats why you cleared Wings in ToO t2 and we didnt right ? oh wait...
Haras, Arwood, Ileri and Galantrien... Theyre not interested to fight in balanced fights . Do i have to say they wont even try to get near the group where creeps have 2-3 higher ranked guys? Those are just the facts. And you know what? I dont care... but... when i see thier typical "EC mode" where you have standard "haras circles at gates when arwood is in stealth near him and backup stands on ec wall waiting to easykill the next lowranker that wants to have pvp" i go and log off. Sometimes even i charge in and die from "EC mode". Yeah, i go in die, np, but i hope they will try to do something too... Yeah youre guessing, theyre not doin it. <- this is sad
Lichachron: I spent some hours in moors, and in most cases Freeps are the ones that are logging off after 1-3 wipes. Yeah, true, sometimes they dont have healer, they get outnumbered, but in most cases they lose because they arent organised. Whitywindle creep x-men raid will win against WW freep x-men, even (x+2)-men raid in 90% of situation.
There is one more thing, freeps on WW are static and theyre not charging unless theyre really outnumbering enemy. Charging the enemy is giving huge psychological benefit to one that is charging, and i saw many times in moors people running away too early and leaving someone behind only because they got scared. Pay attention in fights, youll see thats true.
Questing in moors: All creeps have to quest until at least r6, because they have no chance in fights, this is really simple..
Freeps- i dont know why they even have the quests...
And quests in Bree are OP for moors quests
Haras, Arwood, Ileri and Galantrien... Theyre not interested to fight in balanced fights . Do i have to say they wont even try to get near the group where creeps have 2-3 higher ranked guys? Those are just the facts. And you know what? I dont care... but... when i see thier typical "EC mode" where you have standard "haras circles at gates when arwood is in stealth near him and backup stands on ec wall waiting to easykill the next lowranker that wants to have pvp" i go and log off. Sometimes even i charge in and die from "EC mode". Yeah, i go in die, np, but i hope they will try to do something too... Yeah youre guessing, theyre not doin it. <- this is sad
You sir,put the things i say much more polite and without rage ! +1 for that. Tho,no matter in wich way you tell this to People they giggle at you and continue doing this,effectively keeping every sane ranked creep away from moors.
Originally Posted by Iluvatardd
Whitywindle creep x-men raid will win against WW freep x-men, even (x+2)-men raid in 90% of situation.
Battle of the X-men *-*
Originally Posted by Iluvatardd
Questing in moors: All creeps have to quest until at least r6, because they have no chance in fights, this is really simple..
Freeps- i dont know why they even have the quests...
Again,every half decent Player should know this.. Creeps need to Quest for Maps... And it helps to get a decent Rank fast wich on Creepside does matter... But our Freeps think a fresh r0-5 Reaver is equal to a full PvP Geared champ/burg/freep in general..
@ Curu,i am afraid your Post is gonna get deleted by Mister or Misses Forum Moderator *sends Kisses and Cookies to Ce <3 *
And most likely more of our Posts are going to dissapear... since talking negatively about other peoples behavior in game is not allowed on this Forum.
1st You weren t there.. ask the kid if i played with cds.. that s why when i swordsalute him he kindly bowed.. (i don t have any 1st age..)
2d i have played sprint on fillinas thats why i played one bubble on halg.. could t catch him without sprint he is ranged..
3d i hug on keeps when i m outnambered without heals and u hug to your healers (defiler duet). Never seen u without healers on moors i m almost always without heals..
4th Don t forget that the killing numbers which i told u are only in 5 months pvp playing..
5th Baz when u lead a raid who got wiped many times at past the half of freeps loged and i stayed wiped next to u.. u thank me for that if u remember..
7th I won t reply to anyone else because i don t like to get tired all the other players with this kind of posts.. i respect their view and i ll try to make them turn it (have long time to see dodar on fights so that's gonna be difficult)
8th Check every day the leaderboads and u ll find who are those that really give points. (Baz 1800 rating, all theothers 1500+)
9th today we played on stab and front of ta. Heohir loged on chuck norris when he saw us and he hugged ta. Alert sign on your kin and when the healing nurses came.. (dartvader and bagalug) u got out.. Serenugar logged on raver from burglar and suddently we were against chuck dartvader bagalug raver hargen zauruz metalburtz +others .. We wiped on stab and went to tr only the 3 who stayed (me crogo and gilvard) waiting for more freeps to come.. there wasn t any other solution..
10th I won t reply to anyone else because i don t like to get tired all the other players with this kind of posts.. i respect their view and i ll try to make them turn it (have long time to see dodar on fights so that gonna be difficult)
11th Check every day leaderboads and u ll find who are they that give points
My Defiler,Spider,Champ,Warg,Warl eader and Loremaster have low rating and die frequently... your Point is ? invalid !
Just cause u die even if you hug EC with the same Numbers doesnt mean you arent lame and coward...
Yes we dont give Much Points,cause there is simply no one that could beat us... we fought 7 vs 12... even with enemy NPCs on us.. and we didnt die... Our rating is high cause we simply are the best group on the Server... well we where unfortunately everyone left..
Yeah sure.. u never hug with same numbers or even strenght since even numbers mean freeps are favourite *facepalm*... and how many times do i have to tell you that Runekeepers and Minstrels are healers ? ffs dont blame me if your Kinmate doesnt wanna heal on his Minstrel.. LOL learn how to play..
And you saying that u dont want to give Points to creeps just proves that i am right... nuff said.
I'd like to say a lot about this and that but i wont.I will say few thinks in general.I have played a lot of games to recognise that some people actually dont have a real life and they are trying to feel something or booster themselfs by saying nasty things to other players and behaving like little children.Every side is backing up their words and thinks its right because they didnot get out and see the whole point from the eyes that are fighting.Do you really guys know what does the other people/kinships think or say?Almost everyone goes noob you noob him ,my grandmother would played better from him etc.
Well Chill out guys.Its just a game.The purpuse of every game is to entertaint you.Nothing more ,nothing less.
Play as you like and if you feel like you are outnumbered & the battle is going to be unfair,log off.So simple.
No great player will say something stupid,only the small-minds will.And even it the whole server say something against you there is one a simply answer.''That's the way i like and play''.
Because at the end of the day
Who gives a %^&*?
I'd like to say a lot about this and that but i wont.I will say few thinks in general.I have played a lot of games to recognise that some people actually dont have a real life and they are trying to feel something or booster themselfs by saying nasty things to other players and behaving like little children.Every side is backing up their words and thinks its right because they didnot get out and see the whole point from the eyes that are fighting.Do you really guys know what does the other people/kinships think or say?Almost everyone goes noob you noob him ,my grandmother would played better from him etc.
Well Chill out guys.Its just a game.The purpuse of every game is to entertaint you.Nothing more ,nothing less.
Play as you like and if you feel like you are outnumbered & the battle is going to be unfair,log off.So simple.
No great player will say something stupid,only the small-minds will.And even it the whole server say something against you there is one a simply answer.''That's the way i like and play''.
Because at the end of the day
Who gives a %^&*?
So disrespecting your opponent by beeing lame, beeing egoistic,and giving a ***** about what your actions do to your surrounging people is how you are in Real Life ? yours gotta be sweet lol... Imo people that bring this RL argument and stuff are 12 year old Kids trying too look grownup nothing more
Edit : Good attempt to prove your Point about you not beeing lame and giving Points,today Haras... unfortunately it doesnt matter if u do that once a Month and then go back to your old ways...
9th today we played on stab and front of ta. Heohir loged on chuck norris when he saw us and he hugged ta. Alert sign on your kin and when the healing nurses came.. (dartvader and bagalug) u got out.. Serenugar logged on raver from burglar and suddently we were against chuck dartvader bagalug raver hargen zauruz metalburtz +others .. We wiped on stab and went to tr only the 3 who stayed (me crogo and gilvard) waiting for more freeps to come.. there wasn t any other solution..
healing nurses i like that!Just to clear that out i asked fraelin to log his creep cuz you were more(and i was already on my creep)..we didnt hug tol,thats stupid to say..and at the end more ppl loged creeps but u cant blame us for that.i understand why you had to hug npcs but i don't really get why freeps left..this is not taking our server's pvp anywhere.if ppl keep leaving after a few deaths,pvp will die sooner or later.
Stop raging in forums or in game and just play..we are supposed to have fun and not rage and QQ all the time.
Do your thing but show respect to your opponent! ( i know that will never happen but w/e)
1st You weren t there.. ask the kid if i played with cds.. that s why when i swordsalute him he kindly bowed.. (i don t have any 1st age..)
3d i hug on keeps when i m outnambered without heals and u hug to your healers (defiler duet). Never seen u without healers on moors i m almost always without heals..
You had a mini and a cappy +burg+warden+hunter on tyrant room (ridiculous) against max 8 creeps mostly low ranked and u still keep hugging TR. What a pro PvP keep up with the good job m8
So disrespecting your opponent by beeing lame, beeing egoistic,and giving a ***** about what your actions do to your surrounging people is how you are in Real Life ? yours gotta be sweet lol... Imo people that bring this RL argument and stuff are 12 year old Kids trying too look grownup nothing more
Edit : Good attempt to prove your Point about you not beeing lame and giving Points,today Haras... unfortunately it doesnt matter if u do that once a Month and then go back to your old ways...
You're translated this they way you like and also saying words that i didnot said.I am sweet in real life.In real life you wouldnot said those things in front of me iam 100% sure of that, and in real life i would be happily to offer you a drink.I dont dislike you like probably you do.I dont hate any1 at the server.
its just a game,thats all it is
Laineth u know that i m always being disgusted with this kind of posts and activities.. I used to laugh when i was seeing the ''usual suspects'' of the server to talk in this way.. I didn 't start it and i had to reply.. i m not going to answer again in this kind of posts because the level of discussion is too low.. Every side has its own opinion and that's not going to change..
Be carefull of your new friends (don t mean to be their nurse..) and have fun!
Be carefull of your new friends (don t mean to be their nurse..) and have fun!
I am not their nurse..i play a defiler and i heal every creep i see and needs heals,unlike healers on freep side.So be careful of what you're saying pls.
Just kiding.. (carefull-nurse). You are doing good job on heals that's why u ll be my favourite target on rat! If u want to keep balance as u say u don t have to log with many heals if the other side don't have any.. With equal heals we ll have balanced fights and both sides will get points and have fun
P.S. General talking..
In freep ooc we never moke for every creep is being killed.. Last 2 weeks i log on warg and i see all the time moking msg for freeps who are being killed.
Just kiding.. (carefull-nurse). You are doing good job on heals that's why u ll be my favourite target on rat! If u want to keep balance as u say u don t have to log with many heals if the other side don't have any.. With equal heals we ll have balanced fights and both sides will get points and have fun
P.S. General talking..
In freep ooc we never moke for every creep is being killed.. Last 2 weeks i log on warg and i see all the time moking msg for freeps who are being killed.
Respect to the dead because they give u points!
i have always been your favourite target and its understandable since i am a healer.As far as i remember u had a rk on your group and later u had a minstrel as well.Told u before: make them heal..and trust me a defiler can't outheal freeps dps tho rks and minstrels can..even a captain can.all u have to do is tell them to retrait
And for the ooc thing : creeps are bored with freeps behaviour.Many of the freeps dont give points and mostly kill lowranks and then hide.Those freeps will probably get flamed and corpse jumped.I'm not saying that it is right but its just a way to show that what they are doing is lame.
If u want to keep balance as u say u don t have to log with many heals if the other side don't have any.. With equal heals we ll have balanced fights and both sides will get points and have fun
Equal Heals ? a Minstrel can run from EC to 200m before glain with 5 creeps Chasing him... I wanna see a creep healer do that with 5 freeps chasing him.... selfheals only,no other healer involved.
Stop this BS thinking of freeps and creeps are equal... freeps are way stronger,dps and heal wise.. They dont need equal Numbers,and again... if your healers dont heal,thats just l2p and not u have to hug cause u got no healer...
As gulupet said,u had a perfectly fine grp with heal and dmg : champ,minstrel,hunter,captain, burglar,warden,and you hugged TR vs 8-9 creeps : 1 r7 defiler 1 r9 warg 1 r8 BA ,2 r0 reavers ,1 r4 defiler,1 r4 reaver,1 r6 warleader and 1 r5 reaver...
But yeah as you said,you wont change your mind,so keep playing bad and lame... seems it brings you fun
Well yesterday there were spars at TA lawn , i make this short : r7 defiler my spider and a warg started sparring , while spar r0 burg came and buffed the warg with +10% hahaha ! Champ used all bubbles against a r7 defiler XD and a LM ganked me while sparring Gilvard xD . Well and then a freep logs into moors and says : Creeps are ganking ! Obv creeps/freeps are ganking , but some freeps need to understand , that Creeps arent OP they are weak and mostly they have better chances to survive in a fellow .
Thats about the last day .
I have a idea :
Freeps should perform , a balanced , good organized freep group , .
Not only with 2 OP minstrells , and prolly creeps should make also a creep group , lets say we meet together with active players at COWS (TA) and do a balanced strict fight every day 18:00 pm for 3 rounds . Guys this would be awesome , honestly. Well if creep group is bigger , freeps should just ask on global , and prolly ad 1 2 3 more people .
What do you think about that? Maybe a good organized kin would do this ( i dont mean only r 7+ creeps/freeps) also , a low ranked group of both sides would be really nice .Well , what else i can say , as prove i show u this :
but some freeps need to understand , that Creeps arent OP they are weak and mostly they have better chances to survive in a fellow.
If only ^.^
Originally Posted by dreamer17
I have a idea :
Freeps should perform , a balanced , good organized freep group , .
Not only with 2 OP minstrells , and prolly creeps should make also a creep group , lets say we meet together with active players at COWS (TA) and do a balanced strict fight every day 18:00 pm for 3 rounds . Guys this would be awesome , honestly. Well if creep group is bigger , freeps should just ask on global , and prolly ad 1 2 3 more people .
What do you think about that? Maybe a good organized kin would do this ( i dont mean only r 7+ creeps/freeps) also , a low ranked group of both sides would be really nice .Well , what else i can say , as prove i show u this :
The good organized decent player Kin has left the Server... *brag* There are surely a few good Players left on withy,tho either they "hate" eachother,or dont care much about good even fights etc etc.
We tried this in the Past,with little to no success... You wont find enough People that have the mindset that such battles are more fun then ganking,or zerging.. But best of Luck to your Idea! u might have more success then we had in the Past.
One thing you should note tho, a low rank creep grp is useless.. they wont beat even numbered freeps even if they are r0,freeps strenght doesnt come from rank,it comes from gear and knowledge...
Lastly,spiders are great after r6-7 with store skills a bit earlier WtE is such a powerfull Tool in groups and Raids.. just like LM tar <3
I personally think one of our greatest Problems is the Numbers.. If there are 10 freeps,hardly 10 ranked creeps will be online.. If there are 20 creeps of various ranks,hardly 15 freeps will be online.. Not much we can do about that with peoples mindset here.
Not true! Week or 2 ago, we had 4 vs 5 fight that lasted for more then 10 minutes, and cool thing is that first warrior was defeated in 8th or 9th minute of fight.. (creeps were 4!)
meh what's happend to our server? 8vs8 and freeps hugging tr gate and waiting us to pull npc, lmao it used be nice server at the begining with decent peeople now pve players trys use as much as they can npc becouse pvp without them its too hard *sighs*
meh what's happend to our server? 8vs8 and freeps hugging tr gate and waiting us to pull npc, lmao it used be nice server at the begining with decent peeople now pve players trys use as much as they can npc becouse pvp without them its too hard *sighs*
Repair bills, fearsome dread and loss of infamy/renown is why people are afraid of dying....oh wait, there is none of that in Ettenmoors.
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You said multiple times now that you play to not give Points to the Creeps,you think creeps are the stronger side.. and much more.. 
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i like that!Just to clear that out i asked fraelin to log his creep cuz you were more(and i was already on my creep)..we didnt hug tol,thats stupid to say..and at the end more ppl loged creeps but u cant blame us for that.i understand why you had to hug npcs but i don't really get why freeps left..this is not taking our server's pvp anywhere.if ppl keep leaving after a few deaths,pvp will die sooner or later.
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