Today we have seen again , that on our server was no balanced fight again ./cry.
There were much freeps but they logged sadly when creeps arrived :/ this is sooooo meh
My raid took only keeps , cuz there were only like 4-5 Creepies online most unranked , and we took keeps only of boredom but we left u lug. I really dont know why most people log When there is gonna be a good fight . :/
And prolly most people left not of the creep raid but of RL and of dinner bla bla bla
And i was in EC with 4 and some In coming freeps , but i wanted to fight really good , but unfornetaly no 1 on freepside ( as curuu was alrdy on creepside with hes m8s) answered my call for some freeps cuz honestly , 4 against =12 /wipe.
mehhhh :/
Greetings Dream ^.^
Guyz is it THAT hard to just make groups of freeps and groups of creeps, talk about it in global/vent/TS and start fighting? Really now one time freeps feel ganked then creeps and bla bla bla
In normal servers people that are into PvP just find a way to talk to eachother and coordinate the numbers. So things like saying in globallff that a HUUUUUGE raid of creeps is on the loose when there are like 8 baby reavers and 4 rank 5 BA trying to take a keep wont happen. I mean again i say: before getting the whole of WW freep population to totally obliterate a raid of creeps you know nothing of just log in a creep/contact a creep kinnie on voice and see whats the deal.
I know it takes common sense but im yet to let the hope that WW has common sense go away. Just loose the <OMG creeps in ettens all pour into one raid to steamroll the poor ########> mentality and go to <Gee should i go to my creep to balance the fight? Lets see if they need ---switching to creep--->. Ettens is not balanced and the worst situation is on WW so we must improvise. Else we suffer not gaining any satisfaction from our game..... IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT? mindless fighting on the forums? we dont actually know eachother so the hatred i see here really makes me wonder ###??? are we all sociopaths that cant work togheter??
Guyz is it THAT hard to just make groups of freeps and groups of creeps, talk about it in global/vent/TS and start fighting?
In normal servers people that are into PvP just find a way to talk to eachother and coordinate the numbers. So things like saying in globallff that a HUUUUUGE raid of creeps is on the loose when there are like 8 baby reavers and 4 rank 5 BA trying to take a keep wont happen. I mean again i say: before getting the whole of WW freep population to totally obliterate a raid of creeps you know nothing of just log in a creep/contact a creep kinnie on voice and see whats the deal.
You said it yourself : In normal servers people that are into PvP just find a way to talk to eachother and coordinate the numbers.
Fact is that on our Server People have different oppinion about good PvP :
Group A) thinks nice,balanced fights,kills on both sides = good pvp..
Group B) thinks if they win each fight with all means possible,outnumbering enemy,beeing the stronger side etc = good pvp
Group C) thinks,they actually give a fk ^^ they clubb,farm,pve,do their thing.. = good pvp
Today i got called by some Kinmembers that there are about 15 freeps in the Moors,vs just a few Creeps... The Creep Leader announces on global he would logg and make a raid! I logg my Creep thinking we might get some fights going.. What happens i come there just to hear that of those 15 freeps only 5 are left in the Moors,as soon as we had 14 creeps in the Raid..
Then,ofc once someone asked on global where they have gone,there where TV Shows to watch,dinners to eat,etc etc. Surprisingly this happens each time,they all have time to farm a few creeps,but once a good fight could start they are gone.
Some time later,10ish freeps camp OC/GY vs 3 ranked creeps + 4 lowranks... I make a Raid,invite 2 more ranked creeps making Numbers more even,what happens,we kill Freeps,they move to their GY,we have some Fights,they die,we die... we come back there again,half of the Freeps left,leaving those that stayed kinda outmatched for 20min,and before we farm them too much i disbanded my Raid ..
I logg freep to tell them that we disbanded,soon after there are freeps again taking TA vs 3 creeps.. Did u just take a break to eat ? if so,logg creep tell us that u will be back for more fights,so we can go pve while waiting and once you are back we can pvp again... Me thinks tho,that u take that break and say nothing so we disband,leave and u can go ezmode and pve again /discuss!
Later,we have 4 creeps.. vs 7 Freeps,we kill them twice,on the Open field.. and everyone exept Ileri and Drabbit left <-- see not blaming you today at all ! .. Was it Dinner again ? another TV Series ? or did u have to go to bed ? Sure,i understand that some ppl sometimes have to leave for some reason,but every time this happens only once ppl lose fights,or have challenging enemys <-- mainly goes for freepside. ... that just makes me puke,if they cant win easy,they leave and wait till they can do it again.
I dont mind if you leave when u get farmed over and over and outnumbered etc. But if you run away from actuall close to balanced fights,or fights that you should win with some knowledge of the game,class and PvP,i think u cant say u want good pvp..
We do have those ppl on both sides,and i dislike it on either side... however mostly freeps do that.
Originally Posted by Landrovas
IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT? mindless fighting on the forums? we dont actually know eachother so the hatred i see here really makes me wonder ###??? are we all sociopaths that cant work togheter??
If i start such a Topic on the Forum,i do it for 2 Reasons :
#1 Im fed up with the way things go,and by raising my voice about this matter i get ppl to discuss,and maybe think about it.
#2 I sometimes am troll,however my intentions are for a better server pvp,some will understand,some want to be mad at me,ignore my valid Points and think i hate them.
So once again,no we wont get good fights,cause ppl dont want them... Call me pathetic,or whatever you want after you prove me wrong please!
P.S. Before anyone feels particularly attacked by this Post let me say that this Post is for everyone out there that cares for pvp on withy,wich sadly wont be many..
Anyway, hello everyone! I have to admit, that I do check this forum less than I would like to, but my RL duties won't let me play lotro at all [as MMO for me tends to be the most time-eating thing]. However I keep thinking often about you, my friends from Withy [and transferred ones too of course!], wondering how are you doing, how the atmosphere evolved, who still plays, what the last update brought to ettens, etc...but from what I read here, it seems situation hasn't changed to better, since I took a break.
Well, basically just wanted to say hello to you guys, as I passed by. Take care, good people!
Hey mate, hows things? We miss u alot =). Things changed a bit, since this new audacity thing came, every1 wants it, and do everything to get it. Wargs with full audacity are very OP now, ask our tribe mate Paw ^^
However I keep thinking often about you, my friends from Withy [and transferred ones too of course!], wondering how are you doing, how the atmosphere evolved, who still plays, what the last update brought to ettens, etc...but from what I read here, it seems situation hasn't changed to better, since I took a break.
Well, basically just wanted to say hello to you guys, as I passed by. Take care, good people!
Good to see you again my friend. Ettenmoors is still missing that one good warg player since you left.
Random Comment : Yesterdays Dailystats http://dailystats.theblackappendage....ate=2012-04-16 are PvP stats ! Im proud of you guys,few exeptions as usual! Thanks to the other Raid/Grp Leaders,cheers to my Kin Peeps for logging wherever it was needed <3 u all !
P.S. Lutzgash is still hot,even if he is drunk /discuss
And oh lol,what a Warg Movie,if only i would make it into one of his Videos again
WE ARE THE ZERG! Lower your weapons, shields, bows and surrender your renown/infamy. We will add your renown/infamy and rating to our own. Your culture will adapt to be zerged by ours. Resistance is futile. [OOC] Worgnakh: 'Wargs are not OP'
P.S. Lutzgash is still hot,even if he is drunk /discuss
I am always hot and sexy! And a best PvPer on server and wider <-notice: this is not trolling its real :P (trollstart) Even when im kiting like 8 champs guards and other melee stuff and they cant kill me for a minute (trollend)
Originally Posted by Cillion
And oh lol,what a Warg Movie,if only i would make it into one of his Videos again
(trollstart) Freeps should unequip all jewellery when Z is on, so you can match his ganking criteria. (trollend)
Have led a few raids / groups in past few days. its been quite frustrating with people not having much of a clue what to do. I was looking up some information on the appendage when I came across the posting below.
The whole post sounds like what I would have like to have written but put in a more eloquent manner....
The creeps of Withy will need to take notice or will find themselves invited to fewer and smaller groups in the future. this is more than just being new to the game. This is to do with people not wanting or caring about other creep players and how to cooperate.
"I pay my money and play how i want" that is quoted a lot to me. its the response of a 12 year old whose mother pays the subs.
MMO's are about cooperation, the sort of cooperation one experiences in high end raiding by kins on various missions PvE side.
having 7 wargs in a raid is useless, having 8 R0's in a raid is useless too. They need to have balance and cooperation. people need to respond when told raid is on the move. Last night i ended up stopping every 30 -45 seconds for at least 20 seconds for people to catch up ..in other words, we were sitting ducks for 1/3 of the time.
No wonder the veteran creeps are transferring... So to end on a good note for noobs :
1) get your maps as fast as possible
2) try out new classes (BA / WL/ weaver)
3) Listen ..contribute and follow direction when grouped.
4) Stay on the primary RAT.
5) dont wander off or just watch melee's.
Have led a few raids / groups in past few days. its been quite frustrating with people not having much of a clue what to do.
Agree,although a talking Leader is a bit more effective and Orders therefore more responsive,since people harldy read the chat at all times. Thats just one of the observations i made,not an attack against you.
Originally Posted by Elasto
The creeps of Withy will need to take notice or will find themselves invited to fewer and smaller groups in the future. this is more than just being new to the game. This is to do with people not wanting or caring about other creep players and how to cooperate.
This mainly is a result from the first Quote i made. If i see over and over again that some People play stupid,and feed Freeps when its clearly not neccessary,i will stop grouping with them if i get upset and cause they make my groups weaker.
Originally Posted by Elasto
having 7 wargs in a raid is useless, having 8 R0's in a raid is useless too. They need to have balance and cooperation.
Well... it is more then useless,it is making a raid to feed freeps Wich,would be fine,if the Freeps would actually value it,get their kills,and fight our more expirienced grps/raids aswell as Vyxe says in his post... But our freeps currently dont do this,they farm those *useless raids* and hide from matching Opponents..
Originally Posted by Elasto
No wonder the veteran creeps are transferring...
Mostly due to Freeps beeing lame,and not much action. Yes we do have Action,as long as there are only few highranks/veterans to fight back freeps. Once we got some more power,action dropps surprisingly fast. Leading to bored veteran creeps,that want fights,but cant get them on *fair* grounds.
You wont go anywhere with making all our newbie Creeps good,and Raidready... cause,once they are at that Point where they start beating freeps,those wont fight them anymore,creeps get bored and either transfer,or play Freep.
I know calling out ppl isnt nice,but imo the playstyle of certain Freeps that exclusively play Freepside only recently,is toxic to the Moors... Their Slogan is : I want my Fun,i dont care if u have Fun,if you dont like that,dont play. They play the stronger side,they have the advantage 9 out of 10 times,and if they dont,they simply leave or create a situation where they will have the advantage,cause creeps on our server let them do that... If i see 8 Creeps fighting 7 Freeps at a Blue TR gate and pulling every NPC up to the 2nd Floor,getting wiped and then coming back 2 more times,only to get 1 kill eventually,for 24 deaths... well i cant blame freeps for doing this over and over its free Points ^^ after all,the human nature always seeks the easiest safest way,i suppose even in a game..
Conclusion : Its best to be a Wtj,lame ezmoder,sideswitcher,farmer,cl ubber and pve nab then to want good pvp. Elasto,try it out,only fight when u know you win easy,with no deaths,never make grps,raids with lowranks,if there are loads of lowranks,logg your freep and farm them. And if by any miracle our Tribe makes a good grp/raid to fight freeps,just switch to that side again,or do it like the other freeps and leave..
I have been playing Arwood Style the last few days,just with no PvE and not as much time Spent in the Moors,my Rating went skyhigh,i never die,i farm lowranks,i run from any enemy that could possibly hurt me,now i only need a few buddies to zerg,but i couldnt find any volunteers yet,and i don't care what ppl think about it. I suppose for some this is Fun.. And i dont have the Right to say its wrong...
Agree Elasto ,but even if some creeps are unranked/new to the game we should give them a chance . But not only low ranked creeps are weak : Yesterday i was with Sizsgar in a raid , we wanted to take the relict , but unfornetly me and sizgar and Succoria stayed in OR the whole raid went questing , and the r7 reaver dropped the relict ....... Even if sizsgar posted many times in raid chat : Dint jump , go to DG. They didnt listened. This speaks alot of some creeps , even if they are new they honestly should start listening. Sometimes it is really frustrating yeah i know , but we arent the only server with unranked creeps.
My idea : The creeps should start first playing a freep to gain some experience i asked yesterday some r0´s and they have answered me they have lvl 10 freeps ....
On a happier note, ty for the creeps who joined the raid today. It was my first time leading a proper creep raid and I think its safe to say we did rather well
I look forward to leading more raids in the future, especially once i finally hit r6 ^^
I could swear that there where more posts here last time i checked ! BEWARE the Cookie eating Forum Monster is around again,and it brought big scissors !
I could swear that there where more posts here last time i checked ! BEWARE the Cookie eating Forum Monster is around again,and it brought big scissors !
Biased deleting going on once again...
And to prevent this post from getting lost in infinity aswell... Thanks for the fun fights last night! Fought 2 new freeps with my WL for quite a while. Good to see more new players coming.
Just wanna say thanks to the guys who invited me along for my first raid in the moors last night.I took a bit of a beating but it's all a learning curve.I see no reason why I wont be spending more time there and hopefully getting a bit of payback . Great fun, hope too see you all again soon
I have decided to transfer my captain out from withywindle due to PvP being too dead.
I just wanted to give a shout out to people on this server who i am leaving.
Creeps: You guys have always been fighters always staying in ettens even tho being completely underpowerd. Enjoy creeps time in the spot light as the balance in this game seems to be switching. Stay Strong and i will miss all of you!
Freeps: All (most) freeps on withy are just awesome to play with its been really fun grouping with all of you skirm raids/pug orthanc raids :P/ 1-2 ettens groups
Pro's left on withywindle:
Elastoplasto - For never giving up and being such a nice guy
Bonzi/Melandrian - For being an amazing gamer and great kin leader
Bazillion - Even tho we had much flame wars im glad we finally became m8s
There are many other names that i should mention but imo i would be writing a list for hours if i did write them all.
TY for all the memories Withywindle.
GL to DI and Anya peoples in Orthanc.
PS - Farmvyl (Saervyl Sidewinder) - Is also leaving withywindle but is being a noob so wont write on forums to say goodbye!
Thank you for your LOTRO CHARACTER TRANSFER request
Was a pleasure playing along side you guys but its time to part ways. I made a few friends here but i think even more hated me ... i ll miss you all and don t forget to troll Zrinko while im gone.
It really makes me sad,we took some time to become m8s, but in the end we had lots of Fun and good times.
I know why u guys leave,and i understand it 100%... I havent had much Time to be around the last Days,so i hope u guys drop by in TS/creepside from time to time
Lastly,withywindle PvP,if we are serious there was no one to match your/our skilllvl when we went there as a grp on either Side.
I personally will miss you guys,i am sure some will be happy that you leave,cause it means there are less good opponents left..
Good Luck on your new Server,and thanks for the good Times !
Spidex and TheKid never good to see people go to a other server, but may it you go good! And thanks for the time I played alongside/against you!
@Bazillion, (or someone who can help me) Can anyone help me getting TS/creepside working? got TS3 but no idea how to get to channels etc., thanks in advance
[OOC] Haras: 'one part of the game is to win points and another is not to give'
Such ppl are the reason pvp is bad on withy
But,they get what they want... Ettenmoors with 0 highranked skilled Creeps.. So they can farm the few lowranks that stupidly run into them over and over and die,then they go PvE for their Ranks and PvP Gear and feel Pro.
Sometimes i wonder if Haras at the end of the Day thinks he did anything great or special challenging when he killed a r2 with 3 other Freeps,or when he killed a Tyrant with 10 People... Wonder if he thinks : Hell yeah,i am r9 and got full PvP Gear im so Pro !
Funny thing is.. they are like Zrinko,they cant beat any good Player 1v1,they think they are good in PvP,and they live in their own little world,have no respect for others aside of their followers.
I sit there pity them and laugh cause they cant clear Raids in PvE,and they cant beat any good PvP player either.
P.S. To getta aka Creepy i see you on Creepside more often lately,u got my respect for that... But you see,the reason that creeps cant win or get a good fight isnt that we dont grp,its the fact that people like Haras dont want us to get Points,and just leave or hide in NPCs when they could die eventually...
And im not talking about the times when its 10 creeps vs 5 freeps at EC ^.^ Tho,5 different freeps there and i bet some creeps would have died..
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Don't think he ever jumped me since WL got rank 5. 
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