Thread: Freeps and Creeps of Snowbourn

Originally Posted by Dorothir

I was ganker, yes. That was a very long time ago (probably 2010).

well I can clearly remember you saying: if you dont want to spar me I will gank you. that was less then 3 months ago.

Originally Posted by Siliveth

well I can clearly remember you saying: if you dont want to spar me I will gank you. that was less then 3 months ago.

That was out of frustration and I'm sorry for that. Not a single creep would spar me. All of these supposed 'skilled' creeps were refusing to fight me using the excuse 'you use all your cds' yet those same creeps would then spar other champs who use all their cds. The only difference was, the creeps could beat those.

I don't think it's about sparring you but about sparring any decent champ Doro
The solution I've found is roaming the map solo and startin to face small group of creeps or creeps duo all alone. Okay, sometimes those small groups hide a couple wargies in stealth and you would just die but still... it's something very entertaining, if you're interested in a challenge

Doro u got something so wrong... I for instance will still refuse to spar u, simple reason is that u cant take a beating!
U spar once then wait 10 mins for all ur cooldowns before u will even touch a button on ur keyboard again.
U are 1 of the better champs on snowy and im sure u can beat any warg without even using a cd. (Im a champ meself and i know what they are capable of)

I know some of the best champs in lotro and its pure awsomeness to see how they opperate.

I dont think im 1 of the best wargs, (not even close) but if u cant spar me 3 times in a row its no rep from me sorry matey.

Atm ur attutude against gankers is very impressive, and i will 100% support u in that.

Bw

Jakkels

I've sparred plenty of Champs at 1v1 when there is nowt else to do (usually early in the morning) including Navhar who is very fair in not using CDs and in return I don't use my burrow.

I don't have a problem with anyone using all the skills Turbine see fit in gracing them with but it's tit for tat in that respect.

However... I won't spar you at 1v1 Doro. You have ganked in the past and you openly admit you gank there now (by your rule you have killed non gankers there and therefore that makes you a ganker). So a lot of what I read from you seems very two faced. You say one thing one minute and then act completely the opposite the next but always with a very good excuse for your behaviour (I need commendations, I made a mistake, I was angry... etc etc).

I don't actually have a problem with gankers. People can play the game how they wish but 1v1 is at Good TA for creeps and is a map point, even for those Public Enemy members... so in effect ganking them on sight at good ta = camping a spawn point.

What you also have to accept is that you are playing an OP class. People are much less likely to spar you. If you want a lot more spars I suggest you go roll a Hunter.

Same reason I won't spar an RK / Mini / LM on my Weaver. No real point to giving away renown... it's just clubbing. I might pounce them from a burrow in the middle of nowhere but then that gives me the element of surprise and maybe catches them without every buff up. At 1v1... pointless...

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As for sprinting away - well I fully agree with you. If I am being ganked I will burrow and run like hell. At least as a Champ you have a better chance at killing a creep before another turns up. Takes me forever to kill a freep solo and most of the time they run away if they think they are going to lose or another freep turns up. Burrow, rinse, repeat. Ah well, lets go camp the campers at our gy... sigh...

...waiting for GW2...

Originally Posted by Sluggard

However... I won't spar you at 1v1 Doro. You have ganked in the past and you openly admit you gank there now (by your rule you have killed non gankers there and therefore that makes you a ganker). So a lot of what I read from you seems very two faced. You say one thing one minute and then act completely the opposite the next but always with a very good excuse for your behaviour (I need commendations, I made a mistake, I was angry... etc etc).

I don't understand what you mean there. I haven't openly admitted to ganking because there isn't any to admit. I admit that I said I would gank but I didn't follow through with it. Any time when someone was unfairly killed by me, it's because they seemed to be ganking another play (it doesn't help when the player on my side is saying they're innocent and the creep has brought friends with him). I make mistakes sometimes but you can't really blame me when the appearence of it says otherwise. So there hasn't really been anything two faced about what I've said or done. I kill gankers now. That's it.

Originally Posted by Sluggard

I don't actually have a problem with gankers. People can play the game how they wish but 1v1 is at Good TA for creeps and is a map point, even for those Public Enemy members... so in effect ganking them on sight at good ta = camping a spawn point.

Actually, I'm only killing them if they're staying at 1v1. If they're passing through, that's fine. They aren't trying to ruin 1v1.

As I have told many times in freep OOC before, There is no 1v1. Its a good TA which is a map point. That place wasnt designed by developers so there for you cant accuse anyone from ganking there. That 1v1 talk should stop becouse the only things what that place and that word brings is drama and problems. Is it really necessary? I don't see a reason why anyone should hate or gank anyone there. If you dont like zerging then start roaming. If youdont like to get killed, then dont come to ettenmoors. If you cant kill someone solo then put up a group to kill him/her. There are simple rules in moors as in life itself - Respect and be respected. And repsect is the one thing what needs to be earned. The question is wether you want ppl to respect you or not.
I know that there are alot of ppl in creep side as in freepside who hate me. The thing is that I dont hate anyone. I try to respect everyone myself. For some ppl respect means more then getting killed or rating or zerging.
Basiacally for every problem there is a solution. Just try to find something what works for you. The only think we cant change is that friggin useless server lagg, where Turbine denyes any problem what so ever. Hopefully we get past it soon also.
In the end what I mean is that there is no point to hate anyone in moors. Its a game. No point to get wheepy about anyhing there. Its a place to have fun, to have nice chat with ppl, to have a good time. I'm tired of reading about all the moaning and yeahI know what some ppl are going to suggest me now- dont read. I just hope or would like to see ppl have more fun in that game. And hey, if it all comes downto that you cant get over that problem then you know what... you are doing something right then, becouse the most feared players are usually the most hated
Relax, have fun. The game is great. The community is excellent. Not gonna mention those laggs here anymore

Sry for the offtopic/too long post.

Originally Posted by Christyn

As I have told many times in freep OOC before, There is no 1v1. Its a good TA which is a map point. That place wasnt designed by developers so there for you cant accuse anyone from ganking there. That 1v1 talk should stop becouse the only things what that place and that word brings is drama and problems. Is it really necessary? I don't see a reason why anyone should hate or gank anyone there. If you dont like zerging then start roaming. If youdont like to get killed, then dont come to ettenmoors. If you cant kill someone solo then put up a group to kill him/her. There are simple rules in moors as in life itself - Respect and be respected. And repsect is the one thing what needs to be earned. The question is wether you want ppl to respect you or not.
I know that there are alot of ppl in creep side as in freepside who hate me. The thing is that I dont hate anyone. I try to respect everyone myself. For some ppl respect means more then getting killed or rating or zerging.
Basiacally for every problem there is a solution. Just try to find something what works for you. The only think we cant change is that friggin useless server lagg, where Turbine denyes any problem what so ever. Hopefully we get past it soon also.
In the end what I mean is that there is no point to hate anyone in moors. Its a game. No point to get wheepy about anyhing there. Its a place to have fun, to have nice chat with ppl, to have a good time. I'm tired of reading about all the moaning and yeahI know what some ppl are going to suggest me now- dont read. I just hope or would like to see ppl have more fun in that game. And hey, if it all comes downto that you cant get over that problem then you know what... you are doing something right then, becouse the most feared players are usually the most hated
Relax, have fun. The game is great. The community is excellent. Not gonna mention those laggs here anymore

Sry for the offtopic/too long post.

That doesn't change that for a large number of people 1v1 does exist. So yes, we can accuse people of ganking there. People can either respect that and join/leave it alonge or intentionally go out of their way to form groups, go away from the main action and go gank it.

In some ways I aggre with Christyn! LOTRO PVP isn't that well organized, sadly. This game will loose A LOT of players because of the lack of propper PVP options (ranked system, some kind of battlegrounds where you can test yourself with friends against others without beeing zerged for example). Not to mention the lagg, otherwise the game is quite good, no other game has quite a story. The thing I always say, PVP in LOTRO is what YOU make it...for some people it's sadly zerging ganking or even 1v1ing. Others go solo or roam with group or play police.

I for my self love roaming, bit of ganking and I always go for 1v1s in the open map somewhere, when I am not grouping with some buddies. The thing with 1v1 area is that it is not closed, safe, etc. And indeed some people seem to be clubbing there. But that's how they chose to play, they made it their way...On the other side of 1v1ers theres the 1v1 gankers and the circle continues.

Also the thing about respect is a big one in open PVP, because that's the only thing which can be measured, since there are no other numbers/ways etc in my opininion. Sometimes I am jumping lowbies too, but then again I am also going for high ranks if I see a chance of a propper fight (not winning). This PVP is about collecting renown/commendation in what ever way you can. That again makes lot of people do weird/seemingly unfair things. I also go for AFKers in keeps for example. Not coz of the Commendation, but so when they come back they go "angry" and start a hunt for me. For the "kick" alone the feeling of going into TA and pulling whole quest rooms just to kill someone :P On the other hand, people whine about not going for high ranks this and that...like I would have a chance against a r9+ creep with 7 Audacity when I have 1...Therefore I am getting Commendation "the easier way" so it's not that imbalanced. Usually when I gank a GY (as burglar big fun) I only kill one person once, maximum twice. After that it would be dumb farming...no interest in that.

The thing what you have to realize here is, PVP seemingly wont get any better in LOTRO in the close future, so it's on you wether you make something out of it or not...everyone in their own way...gankers will gank, haters gonna hate and Masterkobe will keep running away I like beeing in Ettens, it's a game, try to enjoy it!

Originally Posted by Dorothir

I don't understand what you mean there. I haven't openly admitted to ganking because there isn't any to admit. I admit that I said I would gank but I didn't follow through with it. Any time when someone was unfairly killed by me, it's because they seemed to be ganking another play (it doesn't help when the player on my side is saying they're innocent and the creep has brought friends with him). I make mistakes sometimes but you can't really blame me when the appearence of it says otherwise. So there hasn't really been anything two faced about what I've said or done. I kill gankers now. That's it.

Actually, I'm only killing them if they're staying at 1v1. If they're passing through, that's fine. They aren't trying to ruin 1v1.

"Fine" meaning you think it's ok to follow people 'passing through' so you can gank them barely out of sight if an opportunity arises (that is to say, you'll only cowardly jump in if someone else starts it). You *are* talking out of both sides of your mouth. You don't use bubbles in 1v1 - unless you do - you "don't gank" - unless you do - appearances can be so deceiving heh ?

Originally Posted by Equendil

"Fine" meaning you think it's ok to follow people 'passing through' so you can gank them barely out of sight if an opportunity arises (that is to say, you'll only cowardly jump in if someone else starts it). You *are* talking out of both sides of your mouth. You don't use bubbles in 1v1 - unless you do - you "don't gank" - unless you do - appearances can be so deceiving heh ?

What are you talking about? I've already given the situations in which I use bubbles. I've given the situations in which I will kill someone at 1v1. Yes, if I'm outside of 1v1 I will kill someone 'without their consent' because it's outside 1v1.

What part of any of that confuses you to think that I've said two different things, not the same thing?

Originally Posted by Dorothir

What part of any of that confuses you to think that I've said two different things, not the same thing?

It's not what you say it's what you do.

Originally Posted by Sluggard

It's not what you say it's what you do.

And I do exactly what I say.

Originally Posted by Dorothir

And I do exactly what I say.

Oh really?

Originally Posted by HebnesO

Oh really?

Yes, really.

1. be warden
2. trait defiant challenge
3. use it
4. run into creeps raid
5. have fun
6. ...

mwahaha, i laughed yesterday so hard

Originally Posted by Vilda

1. be warden
2. trait defiant challenge
3. use it
4. run into creeps raid
5. have fun
6. ...

mwahaha, i laughed yesterday so hard

Yes it really is fun - especially as they keep trying to bring you down and they are taking more reflect damage back than they are doing to you

Now we just need to get our warden group set up and go on the rampage!

It's getting old out there as a creep, guardians/champs/wardens/captains running into creeps easily shrugging off damage from multiple creeps, popping god mode when they get overwhelmed, running/sprinting back to safety, rinse/repeat a few minutes later. Burglars and minstrels doing the same to some extend, or even the odd RK going Steady Hands / heal spam.

Meanwhile reavers still get blown up by a few freeps before Charge! is even over.

Originally Posted by Equendil

It's getting old out there as a creep, guardians/champs/wardens/captains running into creeps easily shrugging off damage from multiple creeps, popping god mode when they get overwhelmed, running/sprinting back to safety, rinse/repeat a few minutes later. Burglars and minstrels doing the same to some extend, or even the odd RK going Steady Hands / heal spam.

Meanwhile reavers still get blown up by a few freeps before Charge! is even over.

for that reason i cant rank my warden, mini, etc.

Originally Posted by Equendil

It's getting old out there as a creep, guardians/champs/wardens/captains running into creeps easily shrugging off damage from multiple creeps, popping god mode when they get overwhelmed, running/sprinting back to safety, rinse/repeat a few minutes later. Burglars and minstrels doing the same to some extend, or even the odd RK going Steady Hands / heal spam.

Meanwhile reavers still get blown up by a few freeps before Charge! is even over.

Well Wardens had it rough out there in PvP up until RoI - sure we could turtle up but we couldn't kill much without going full DPS spec and being pretty squishy. I've played through the ups and downs so I'm gonna make the most of it before the inevitable nerf

EDIT: For those of you who are interested, here's a vid of some of my antics tonight

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qdo6p...ature=youtu.be

Originally Posted by IyvanEU

Well Wardens had it rough out there in PvP up until RoI - sure we could turtle up but we couldn't kill much without going full DPS spec and being pretty squishy. I've played through the ups and downs so I'm gonna make the most of it before the inevitable nerf

Fair enough, I wasn't flaming you

Originally Posted by JonXu

for that reason i cant rank my warden, mini, etc.

You are doing pretty well for someone who's on ''hard'' mode.

Originally Posted by GrandCru

You are doing pretty well for someone who's on ''hard'' mode.

Says the guy playing warg.

In before 'says the guys playing champ'.

Originally Posted by Dorothir

Says the guy playing warg.

And has made about 1k a day for the past month (4/5 being ''PvEd''), which is doing pretty well for the class...

Originally Posted by Dorothir

In before 'says the guys playing champ'.

And has the brain functions* of it.

Originally Posted by GrandCru

And has made about 1k a day for the past month (4/5 being ''PvEd''), which is doing pretty well for the class...


And has the brain functions* of it.

Nonsensical post was nonsensical.

Thanks to Melowar for organising the Warden group tonight - was good fun going round the moors and standing toe to toe with the creep raid

You'll see a lot lotmore yelling spears piercing and shield shaken in moors..


Thanks all the wardens for joining. ( Iyvan / Groth/ liliam / Instantabs /masterofkilling/valkrie and others i cant remember now..)



Warden squad is up !

No elitisim so feel free to join if you have a warden we don't have a purpose of ganking ; just fighting till we last but definitely annoy some puppies.

Usual thread is here for snowbourn :
Join Warden Squad Today!

Had awsome fun tonight, thx to all the creeps fighting!
had one of the best times ingame..

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Hope no one installs them in the keeps

Aslano does not approve wardens.

Originally Posted by Weezl

http://www.reocities.com/picketfence/2591/

Hope no one installs them in the keeps

Cute ! Hope they let us get ferrets one day !


And for the record There is only one thing on earth to stop Warden Squad.
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for doro with love : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeAS39JD-4c enjoy ;D

Originally Posted by Harge

for doro with love : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeAS39JD-4c enjoy ;D

I'm not greek so you're going to have to explain your point.

Originally Posted by MeLoWaR

Cute ! Hope they let us get ferrets one day !


And for the record There is only one thing on earth to stop Warden Squad.
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I'd love to get some too, but just about impossible to get hold of or import into South Africa

My Warden is level 12, give me a while

Originally Posted by Weezl

I'd love to get some too, but just about impossible to get hold of or import into South Africa

My Warden is level 12, give me a while

Just get it up to lvl 41 you're more than wellcome =)

It's nice you got so butthurt over dying behind OC that you needed to gank me at 1v1, Muzz. However, your mistake was not knowing that Arthendor is me. So don't be surprised when I kill you at 1v1, since we're going to need to settle your debt and no amount of brands will help you.

In today's news: FOTM champ discovers he can't sprint to EC on his FOTM minstrel after posing at GTA.

Originally Posted by Equendil

In today's news: FOTM champ discovers he can't sprint to EC on his FOTM minstrel after posing at GTA.

In today's news: Equendil hasn't even got enough skill to comment on Doro nor will he ever.

Don't be a sad clown.

Dunno if you were doing the same stuff doro, but if i see any freep staying at gta... then when they see an creep dying there, they go other side of reaver to kill him on his way back, then go back to safe spot at gta waiting for CDs, or waiting for creeps gathering the other side to kill him to go away to repeat.

Athryl was doing this other day (recovering at gta with captains buffs etc...) and got uber surprised i attacked her on sight after seing her killing a reaver + warg on their way back to gta...

Ofc she hips and it took the 3 rks that were there 5 seconds to pulverise me...

Originally Posted by korig

Dunno if you were doing the same stuff doro, but if i see any freep staying at gta... then when they see an creep dying there, they go other side of reaver to kill him on his way back, then go back to safe spot at gta waiting for CDs, or waiting for creeps gathering the other side to kill him to go away to repeat.

Athryl was doing this other day (recovering at gta with captains buffs etc...) and got uber surprised i attacked her on sight after seing her killing a reaver + warg on their way back to gta...

Ofc she hips and it took the 3 rks that were there 5 seconds to pulverise me...

Nope, I just spotted Muzz and a burg (it might have actually been Athryl aswell) fighting behind OC. So I joined in. Went to 1v1 afterwards. Couple minutes later Muzz comes running up out of no where and kills me. He must have been so butthurt that he got killed that he decided that 1v1 didn't exist anymore. His choice, I suppose. Just wonder how many times he'll shout in OOC that Doro's ganking him, though.