Thread: PvMP on Eldar (Part 4)

Originally Posted by Tarmas_Eldar

Yeah, I don't mind him doing it - we left after a while because it was literally and metaphorically pointless. I just wish it hadn't happened so soon after I defended his raids in public: today I've been getting sneering /tells from freeps, to complement the nice ones I got from creeps yesterday

Do freeps truly complain to you because you defended Sharn's raids? I give Elgo and Arcanaii compliments for leading as well and I've never had anyone become angry to me for that. And even though it is indeed lame to farm freeps like that, it is kind of understable. I guess a lot of creeps get frustrated after getting wiped so often. It must feel like a "relieve" for some to farm the freeps for a while. I'm not saying it's okay to farm (it's painfully boring), I'm only stating that for many creeps it is a nice way to get off steam.

And Tarmas, it's a generally accepted fact that you are the Voice of Reason. I've no idea which freeps make sneering comments, but I'd say the creeps complimenting you for actually being honest, fair and objective is more important than the one-sided people.

Oh and quite often I see Mellow groups in Ettens lately. I would love to have a small group fight between Mellows and Angbands some time (arrenged or not).

Originally Posted by Wardrat

Do freeps truly complain to you because you defended Sharn's raids?

I had a few snarky comments this afternoon, which was what prompted me to make the post. It just made me /facepalm a bit that the timing was so bad

You need to spend a bit of time watching freep OOC to understand. I know both sides whine like there's no tomorrow, but the sense of entitlement and the ignorance of many (not all) freeps in OOC beggars belief.

And yes, Mellows run in kin groups 90% of the time. We get fearsome amounts of abuse for it too, from both sides. Yesterday a freep raid leader raged at us for refusing to join, then eventually logged to creep to make a raid specifically to "get Mellows". 4 obliterations later, he logged off. It was epic.

Originally Posted by Tarmas_Eldar

You need to spend a bit of time watching freep OOC to understand. I know both sides whine like there's no tomorrow, but the sense of entitlement and the ignorance of many (not all) freeps in OOC beggars belief.

Creep OOC isn't that much better. Getting a KB on some specific freeps is considered to be an outstanding accomplishment. Copy-pasting it to OOC is usually followed by widespread acceptance and respect. I find this funny to see. Of course there are some freeps I'd rather kill compared to others, but I just don't understand the extreme urge to get the KB. It's almost like some creeps have hatred feelings towards some freeps. Their one-sides opinion about these freeps makes OOC both pathetic and funny to read.

Some freeps have a reputation that makes no sense but is yet believed by lots of creeps. So I guess ignorance isn't something only seen on freepside OOC.

Originally Posted by Tarmas_Eldar

And yes, Mellows run in kin groups 90% of the time. We get fearsome amounts of abuse for it too, from both sides. Yesterday a freep raid leader raged at us for refusing to join, then eventually logged to creep to make a raid specifically to "get Mellows". 4 obliterations later, he logged off. It was epic.

Well to be perfectly honest, this does annoy me quite often. When we have an Angbands group, it usually turns into an open raid anyway. It only makes the fights better if many people join the raid. Seeing a couple of solo'ers following the raid bugs me. Of course every one is entitled to their own way of playing, but I see it as decency to join the raid instead of leeching off.

Edit: logging creep just to gank the Mellows group is pathetic though haha. It must have resulted in lots of laughs seeing him failing. Although I understand the annoyance of the raid leader. He spends time on trying to lead a raid and you guys just follow and make use of it.

Originally Posted by Tarmas_Eldar

Yesterday a freep raid leader raged at us for refusing to join, then eventually logged to creep to make a raid specifically to "get Mellows". 4 obliterations later, he logged off. It was epic.

That wasn't what actually happened.

Who was it you had on the creep side btw or do you do it on a rota basis. I would have thought they'd have told you what the 'raid leader' was doing and you'd get your facts right.

I don't know why people should "have" to join raids for either side, it oftentimes destroys what is usually some fun pvp. I admit I mostly run with kinmates now, we joke around and have fun while trying to get some nice action going. Sometimes we do well, usually we get our asses handed to us, it doesn't matter as long as it's fun but lately it feels like if raids get going that you are automatically branded a leech even though you just want to keep going with your mates without having someone high and mighty yelling around at everyone to follow their orders no matter what.

I think if more people would try running around in 3 or 6 man groups, try working together complementing each others skills and having the ability to use all skills in a fight rather than just forced to heal or follow a rat that they might find there is more to ettenmoors than just raid or die.

Originally Posted by Tarmas_Eldar

Yesterday a freep raid leader raged at us for refusing to join, then eventually logged to creep to make a raid specifically to "get Mellows". 4 obliterations later, he logged off. It was epic.

Originally Posted by Isiodus

That wasn't what actually happened.

It was exactly what happened nevertheless we are glad because finaly got some nice action going on.

Edit: logging creep just to gank the Mellows group is pathetic though haha. It must have resulted in lots of laughs seeing him failing. Although I understand the annoyance of the raid leader. He spends time on trying to lead a raid and you guys just follow and make use of it.

Difficult one, 90% of the time we are there before any raid forms and well after it. We like to roam as camping the same spot for both sides just becomes teedius. We will even purposely move, leaving freeps to be outnumbered so they can be rolled over, we like to keep you interested
If a creep raid is formed to counter a freep raid then you can bet all of the renown will be in the same place instead of spread out, should we just afk/map until the raids have done their thing, should we stay out of the way because we do not wish to join the raid, though we were there first, hell no.

Believe me, the last thing we want to do is follow Elgorian around, it's always good to see him rant in OOC though, like he seems to be some form of authority on all things PvP, when infact it's the opposite.

Originally Posted by Wardrat

Seeing a couple of solo'ers following the raid bugs me. Of course every one is entitled to their own way of playing, but I see it as decency to join the raid instead of leeching off.

We had no intention of leeching, we were just doing our own thing, just as we had been doing for some time before the raid was formed. The raid was meanwhile sat at the GY on 18/24 or so with the leader sending /tells to us. We were perfectly willing to liaise with the raid for flanks etc but apparently it was join or raid disband.

Originally Posted by Isiodus

That wasn't what actually happened.

Yes it was. That was exactly what happened. And you know it.

But as Gretolas says, it was great. We had some terrific fights (12 vs 24) and won them all - the rain of renown was beautiful.

Originally Posted by Tarmas_Eldar

We had no intention of leeching, we were just doing our own thing, just as we had been doing for some time before the raid was formed. The raid was meanwhile sat at the GY on 18/24 or so with the leader sending /tells to us. We were perfectly willing to liaise with the raid for flanks etc but apparently it was join or raid disband.


Yes it was. That was exactly what happened. And you know it.

But as Gretolas says, it was great. We had some terrific fights (12 vs 24) and won them all - the rain of renown was beautiful.

I heard that though you fought mellowship V a raid you only came to fight with npcs. Thing is so often now the creeps raids is filled up with alot of low ranks and wargs which dont make a great raid group. Though they try their best

I like to roam about with my tirbe in a group of 6 or so but then we get alot of people following our tribe group due to it being Sharne. This often makes it seems like a full raid roaming around.

Originally Posted by HampshireMick

I heard that though you fought mellowship V a raid you only came to fight with npcs.

Man, this made me laugh . Whoever told you that was massaging the truth to salve a battered ego. The only time there were any NPCs involved at all was outside LC, when a couple of Coldfells Hunters died even faster than Elgorian's WL.

Originally Posted by HampshireMick

I like to roam about with my tirbe in a group of 6 or so but then we get alot of people following our tribe group due to it being Sharne. This often makes it seems like a full raid roaming around.

This I identify with. Any group of 5+ opponents is casually labelled "a raid" by both sides. The occasional "Raid at Hoarhallow!" OOC shouts are good for a laugh - it usually means a WL and a couple of Wargs susprising someone camped in stealth atop a building.

Originally Posted by Tarmas_Eldar

This I identify with. Any group of 5+ opponents is casually labelled "a raid" by both sides.

Haha, yes THIS is completely true. Almost every time numbers are exaggerated. When we wipe, the first excuse is usually that freeps outnumbered us greatly. When I'm in a raid I often have to scout and before the battle starts I always use Sense Prey and count the tracks. It's really fun to see the difference between the estimations and the number of players I actually tracked.

On the other hand, it's also a shame. Last time a small group of freeps (a captain, tank and four minstrels) were able to make quite a few kills against a group of about 12 creeps. Of course they couldn't withstand long, but the fact they actually got renown from that fight is something creeps won't quickly see these days.

kin groups alongside a full raid really can ruin action sometimes, especially if they are as OP as a mellows group! creeps will disband and log if the numbers become overwhelming and the fight moves away from becoming kinda balanced to totally unwinnable for them. so i can understand the frustration on both sides really - that is, creeps disbanding and main freep raid leaders getting frustrated because there is nothing left to fight (and vicea versa). of course, we are sometimes guilty of this too, so i dont really have a leg to stand on.. but just sayin'

however, if many freeps didnt think with rage all the time, maybe they would play more like creeps and coordiante with each other, ala creep raid + warg pack. if we work together, fights can be a lot more interesting and rewarding. this is especially doable if, as in the aforementioned situations, the main raid is not full and there is a small kin group wishing to operate separately. go in at different times to lull into a false sense of security, crafty double flanks, surprise attacks from the rear.. that kinda thing! just takes a little communication.

and to be fair, elgo created some interesting fights this afternoon, so don't be too harsh on him now (a temporary 1 day reprieve should do it :P )

Originally Posted by Tarmas_Eldar

But as Gretolas says, it was great. We had some terrific fights (12 vs 24) and won them all - the rain of renown was beautiful.

The game mechanics must be in great shape to have Tarmas the Train pride himself for victories like this.

Originally Posted by pakastevihannes

The game mechanics must be in great shape to have Tarmas the Train pride himself for victories like this.

less QQ moar CHOO CHOO

Originally Posted by commanderjerkface

less QQ moar CHOO CHOO

I'm afraid I'm going to have to QQ in this post. A few things annoyed me greatly the past few days. First of all, why do so many freeps burn up all their long CD skills in a spar? I don't use disappear/sprint. And when, say at tir HS, I'm sparring some random minstrel and we are both on halve morale, I often get ganked by a group of freeps passing by. Somehow, not sure why, I've noticed that overall more creeps than freeps have the ability to notice a spar and let them alone. Creeps more than freeps just stand by and watch rather than interfere and be proud with the 10 Points you get for ruining a spar.

Another example: I was in a tribe group lead by Galro. We roamed around lug/oc/grams and had lots of really fun small group fights. Our teamwork was surprisingly good and lead us to some very good times. However, we only charged into groups of freeps. When we noticed a single freep roaming around, we left him/her alone. Whenever I roam around alone, I get spam tracked and chased by whole raids for crying out loud.

Furthermore, why is that so many wargs are playing like complete moronic cowards? Leader shouts 'charge' wargs: "yeah, I'd better stay at the back and use howl after a kill made by others for an awesome, very helpful AoE heal". NO. Hit sprint, charge in, stun, interrupt healers etc. Do something worthy or just don't join the raid if you don't want to die. Most of the times I'm one of the only wargs that charges alongside reavers.

And creeps, why do you have the inability to count numbers? When I track 17 freeps, there are 17 freeps. No 17 freeps and 12 hunters in stealth. Make more charges, don't mind to die. Yes, we are the underdog at the moment, but that doesn't mean that we can't beat 17 freeps with a full raid - as long as we use proper teamwork. So in other words: use your damn RAT! Really, it makes such a big difference. We don't have AoE like freeps do, so focus on single targets and burn them down fast. Whenever I'm dead and I tab around I see so many creeps targetting something completely different than what's on the RAT. Don't do that. It isn't hard: click on RAT, pile up on RAT and hit numbers on your keyboard until said target is dead.

Freeps, why is it that you prefer to let the creeps charge? I've noticed that freeps often stand in a freepball motionless. I know that with the AoE you've a big advantage when creeps charge you instead of the other way around, but don't you think it's fair if both sides take the initiative equal times? Especially considering the fact freeps are overall stronger than creeps nowadays.

DW ward, I had sharnarke's whole raid chasing me at grams the other day, was funny. Still escaped and he was telling the raid to still track xD (knew this as kinmate on vent told me who was in creep raid).

I agree that when you see people 1v1 usually let it go out if you want to gank let the fight finish then gank, was ganked by evanno yesterday. was fighting fine not using CD's for once (I admit to using them a bit im not that good a player) and again was sharnarke alone that turned up. When he saw I was winning he jumped in and attacked me. I would be happy to die after i beat evanno or even if the warg turned fight around and won thats ettens and i would of been bested.

The main fight is rubbish when freeps get some groups we usually win and creeps log, or like last night about 12 freeps tops doing their own thing not even playing together and we had outnumbered buff, what happens... creeps make a raid i mean there was alot a full raid plus leechers and a small warg group what was the poing, killed most action however me and thorbain fighting creeps elsewhere was awesome, thanks for the creeps staying

and a last note, thanks ward for the kill to rank and the many creeps i have fought, idc about rank until the last 1k xD im here for fun and the KB titles

Wardrat, Sneaksie

Guys thats the real face of Eldar's pvp. It become ever worse when pvp went f2p, because alot of f2p creeps dont have capped freep, so they dont have that raiding experience, and all these pvp raids are new for them, and it goes into not following rat, staying behind, to be alive and rest of things. The only one way, in my opinion, its small tribe\kin groups of 4-6 players who can deal with some enemies and get some inf\ren.
Lets hope that something change after we get new\extended PVP map

Originally Posted by Wardrat

A few things annoyed me greatly the past few days. First of all, why do so many freeps burn up all their long CD skills in a spar?

Are we talking spar spar or ''finding a soloer''?
Spars at LC3 use to be kept civil when it comes to cooldown use. (most of the time)

But when finding most freeps solo, the cdspamming never ends.*

Welcome to RoI!

*Fought a Guardian on my reaver yday and after 2 pledges, 2 WH and 75% racial skill, he decided to charge away from me..

Spar zone should do more organised group fights. Just saying.

Originally Posted by Ningoril

... (knew this as kinmate on vent told me who was in creep raid).

i heard creep raid farming soloers again

I don't blame Sharn etc for "farming soloers" in a raid. What else can they do? Raid vs raid fights end up with the creep raid obliterated 9/10 times. A few days ago a strong freep raid wiped a creep raid for minimal losses *in the Lug Tyrant room* with Tyrant and 2 Chieftains. That was after 4 or 5 pitched battles, all of which ended the same way - dead creeps, a rain of renown and only a few freeps needing a rez.

The problem isn't just that freeps are stronger individually, it's that creep raids include a lot of low rank / F2P / inexperienced players who get destroyed in seconds. If I was playing creep, I'd be in Sharnarke's raids too, happily killing the same 4 or 5 freeps in TR over and over, especially if I was a freever.

And Wardrat, the reasons Wargs don't charge is that they die. Wargs are just furry bags of renown right now, decimated by AoE. News of a warg pack used to be met with groans. Nowadays it's "woot! renowns! let's go!".

Oh and on the cooldown use - give me a break. Are we really still discussing this? When I meet a creep I want to win, not artificially test myself by renouncing this or that skill. The big stuff is only on a max 5 min cooldown after all. And especially when jumped by a Warg - ironically - because any Warg jumping a CMP solo is insane, so the sensible assumption is that he has friends incoming.

Originally Posted by Tarmas_Eldar

I don't blame Sharn etc for "farming soloers" in a raid. What else can they do? Raid vs raid fights end up with the creep raid obliterated 9/10 times. A few days ago a strong freep raid wiped a creep raid for minimal losses *in the Lug Tyrant room* with Tyrant and 2 Chieftains. That was after 4 or 5 pitched battles, all of which ended the same way - dead creeps, a rain of renown and only a few freeps needing a rez.

The problem isn't just that freeps are stronger individually, it's that creep raids include a lot of low rank / F2P / inexperienced players who get destroyed in seconds. If I was playing creep, I'd be in Sharnarke's raids too, happily killing the same 4 or 5 freeps in TR over and over, especially if I was a freever.

And Wardrat, the reasons Wargs don't charge is that they die. Wargs are just furry bags of renown right now, decimated by AoE. News of a warg pack used to be met with groans. Nowadays it's "woot! renowns! let's go!".

Oh and on the cooldown use - give me a break. Are we really still discussing this? When I meet a creep I want to win, not artificially test myself by renouncing this or that skill. The big stuff is only on a max 5 min cooldown after all. And especially when jumped by a Warg - ironically - because any Warg jumping a CMP solo is insane, so the sensible assumption is that he has friends incoming.

Yet again I find myself agreeing with you Tarmas.

I was in the creep raid in Lug that day and it was crazy how the freeps just steam rolled over us.

Your spot on in what you say about the amount of low rank creeps filling the raids nowadays with at most half being higher ranked creeps.

Our only way it seems to fight raid v raid is to hit and move, if we stand toe to toe with you will will wipe 9/10.

Originally Posted by Tarmas_Eldar

I don't blame Sharn etc for "farming soloers" in a raid. What else can they do? Raid vs raid fights end up with the creep raid obliterated 9/10 times. A few days ago a strong freep raid wiped a creep raid for minimal losses *in the Lug Tyrant room* with Tyrant and 2 Chieftains. That was after 4 or 5 pitched battles, all of which ended the same way - dead creeps, a rain of renown and only a few freeps needing a rez.

The problem isn't just that freeps are stronger individually, it's that creep raids include a lot of low rank / F2P / inexperienced players who get destroyed in seconds. If I was playing creep, I'd be in Sharnarke's raids too, happily killing the same 4 or 5 freeps in TR over and over, especially if I was a freever.

And Wardrat, the reasons Wargs don't charge is that they die. Wargs are just furry bags of renown right now, decimated by AoE. News of a warg pack used to be met with groans. Nowadays it's "woot! renowns! let's go!".

Oh and on the cooldown use - give me a break. Are we really still discussing this? When I meet a creep I want to win, not artificially test myself by renouncing this or that skill. The big stuff is only on a max 5 min cooldown after all. And especially when jumped by a Warg - ironically - because any Warg jumping a CMP solo is insane, so the sensible assumption is that he has friends incoming.

you don't really have to be a freever to get blasted in 5 seconds, I know the feeling quite well, our heals are just not enough there isn't enough time to react as well because freep dps is over the top I don't have any skills to save my ### except a wl bubble which just prevents the invevitable.

on top of all that they just screwed reaver up by ruining its attack speed and flow of combat which makes it super boring compared to what it was and it is attacking like a slug.

25k to rank 12 if I even manage to get that before dying of boredom not to mention theres little reason to even get it thanks to turbine making rank meaningless, if update 6 doesn't fix at least some of the things I probably won't play at all, it is just sad how turbine doesn't care about 1 side of the player base.

and the constant freeps exploiting the bridges, pillars, npc exploit at wb to their advantage doesn't help either, so many creeps are leaving/left as you might notice from the huge lack of high ranks, doesn't seem to bother anyone ofc its awesome to kill f2p'ers that don't know how to play yet.

Originally Posted by Tarmas_Eldar

Oh and on the cooldown use - give me a break. Are we really still discussing this? When I meet a creep I want to win, not artificially test myself by renouncing this or that skill.

Couldn't agree more tbh. In my opinion it's still play to win (instead of pay to win but that's another discussion) so if you fight someone, be it freep or creep, you do whatever you have to to win the fight.

Other then that, despite the fact that I agree that PvP is currently very outbalanced in favor of freeps, I believe that it was somewhat ment to be that Mordor makes up in numbers what they lack in individual strength. Therefor I will be the last to blame creeps for forming a raid to farm solo freeps, since it's pretty much the only way atm to gain some infamy apart from handing in quests daily. Have to thank Turbine for that!

Originally Posted by Ningoril

and a last note, thanks ward for the kill to rank and the many creeps i have fought, idc about rank until the last 1k xD im here for fun and the KB titles

Haha, I'm always glad to provide someone a new rank or title.

Originally Posted by avdept

Guys thats the real face of Eldar's pvp. It become ever worse when pvp went f2p, because alot of f2p creeps dont have capped freep, so they dont have that raiding experience, and all these pvp raids are new for them, and it goes into not following rat, staying behind, to be alive and rest of things. The only one way, in my opinion, its small tribe\kin groups of 4-6 players who can deal with some enemies and get some inf\ren.
Lets hope that something change after we get new\extended PVP map

Hmm yep you have a valid point here. Whenever I'm in a tribegroup fighting against other small groups we are much more effective. A raid is indeed often filled with newbies, but I didn't expect focussing on RAT would be this hard for them... I don't see how a new map would change this though. These new players should just learn how to play, it really isn't hard. I mean, it's LOTRO, which isn't considered to be the hardest game ever.

Originally Posted by Tarmas_Eldar

And Wardrat, the reasons Wargs don't charge is that they die.

Who cares? I'd rather die a few times in a raid fight but actually be somewhat worthy by stunning/interrupting, than stay at the back and wasting a raid spot. "You might be killed" is not a reason for me not to charge.

Originally Posted by Tarmas_Eldar

Wargs are just furry bags of renown right now, decimated by AoE. News of a warg pack used to be met with groans. Nowadays it's "woot! renowns! let's go!".

Hehe true. During SoA I played both warg and LM in Ettenmoors. I remember how it was actually fearful for a raid if there was a warg pack. And as a warg, warg packs were one of the greatest moments. Making a kill, spam Howl and run away while getting mass healed by the HoT. Nowadays Howl is a laugh (200 morale each 4 seconds...) and wargs are so squashy that ganking any target surrounded by freeps is suicide.

As a matter of fact, we had a tribe warg pack about an hour ago. We made a few kills, then the freep raid turned up. Spam tracked us and we were free renown. Out of annoyance we disbanded. Which is a shame, because warg packs used to be so much fun. Especially Barun and Melikeeme warg packs were awesome.

Originally Posted by Tarmas_Eldar

Oh and on the cooldown use - give me a break. Are we really still discussing this? When I meet a creep I want to win, not artificially test myself by renouncing this or that skill. The big stuff is only on a max 5 min cooldown after all. And especially when jumped by a Warg - ironically - because any Warg jumping a CMP solo is insane, so the sensible assumption is that he has friends incoming.

If a freep won't use his long CDs, I wont flee or use disappear. He deserves the renown. Unfortunately, more and more freeps use every skill possible to win the fight, so no renown for them.

Originally Posted by Wardrat

"You might be killed" is not a reason for me not to charge.

How about "you are certain to die, along with all or most of your raid, with few if any kills"?

Originally Posted by Tarmas_Eldar

How about "you are certain to die, along with all or most of your raid, with few if any kills"?

So your advice is to abandon my warg and switch to an easier class to play?

I don't mind if I'm overpowered or squashy and somewhat useless. A well played warg (note: I'm not saying I classify for that) is still of use in a group. Catching fleeing freeps, interrupting minstrels, stunning the RAT or just some quick DPS. And yes, this results in a certain wargs death for sure. But does that mean wargs should stand in the back and use a ####ing useless howl that is nerfed so badly it makes me cry at night?

I'd rather see these rubbish coward wargs leave the raid than stand in the back doing nothing, wasting precious raid spots. It's not my decision to kick them, but if it was they would be removed from the raid immediately.

Just remember PvMP its somekind of war, and there always will be loosing side

Originally Posted by Rugba

its awesome to kill f2p'ers that don't know how to play yet.

Agreed, tbh.

Originally Posted by Tarmas_Eldar

Oh and on the cooldown use - give me a break. Are we really still discussing this? When I meet a creep I want to win, not artificially test myself by renouncing this or that skill. The big stuff is only on a max 5 min cooldown after all. And especially when jumped by a Warg - ironically - because any Warg jumping a CMP solo is insane, so the sensible assumption is that he has friends incoming.

Not sure, but I think his point was for organised spars at LC3 and stuff. Not using 'I win' buttons and giving your opponent a fair chance is expected really, out of respect if nothing else. Of course, when you meet a creep randomly on the map, it is not an issue!

On this topic, also noticed creeps and freeps coming to spars lately with 2 and even 3 lines of buffs... not cool dudes!

Originally Posted by commanderjerkface

Not sure, but I think his point was for organised spars at LC3 and stuff. Not using 'I win' buttons and giving your opponent a fair chance is expected really, out of respect if nothing else. Of course, when you meet a creep randomly on the map, it is not an issue!

The example he used was of a random encounter, not an organised spar.

Originally Posted by commanderjerkface

Not sure, but I think his point was for organised spars at LC3 and stuff. Not using 'I win' buttons and giving your opponent a fair chance is expected really, out of respect if nothing else. Of course, when you meet a creep randomly on the map, it is not an issue!

On this topic, also noticed creeps and freeps coming to spars lately with 2 and even 3 lines of buffs... not cool dudes!

I was referring to any 1v1 situation, whether organized (LC3) or random encounter. Whenever a freep uses all his CDs, I use disappear slightly before I die. Yesterday, however, there was a champion (forgot his name) who played a fair spar so I didn't flee; he deserved the renown. I don't mind to die in such a spar. Even if I make no chance at all, I won't run or use disappear as long as the freep isn't using everything that his skillbar offers.

Fair enough Wardy, although I don't agree that CDs should be off limits for random encounters like that, so I don't blame you for hipsing! Wish all wargies were that kind when I don't use CDs though

Few things from today...

Nice try while I was (stupidly) tabbed out at OC river Godfeather although I appreciate you not kiting.

To Daazz and Mwvyan, I was gonna leave you guys alone - I even let you finish off rocky!! - but I guess you just had to go there



and apologies for attacking you at HH Somenutter, was only 730 from rank so going for anything that moves.. you kicked my butt when SHarn turned up anyway haha

Originally Posted by commanderjerkface

Fair enough Wardy, although I don't agree that CDs should be off limits for random encounters like that, so I don't blame you for hipsing! Wish all wargies were that kind when I don't use CDs though

Few things from today...

Nice try while I was (stupidly) tabbed out at OC river Godfeather although I appreciate you not kiting.

To Daazz and Mwvyan, I was gonna leave you guys alone - I even let you finish off rocky!! - but I guess you just had to go there



and apologies for attacking you at HH Somenutter, was only 730 from rank so going for anything that moves.. you kicked my butt when SHarn turned up anyway haha

So what you really mean ory you want to fight me and jamo at the same time btw gratz on rank m8 your badge just changed as i was typing this post.

Originally Posted by Blarrluk

So what you really mean ory you want to fight me and jamo at the same time btw gratz on rank m8 your badge just changed as i was typing this post.

thanks! got it by handing in 10 sticks at LC. a true pro hahha. and yeah! bring it on i think i definitely stand a chance!!!!!

Originally Posted by commanderjerkface

Nice try while I was (stupidly) tabbed out at OC river Godfeather although I appreciate you not kiting.

When i saw you mounted i was like <<A mounted AFK cappy, zOMG! This is a gift from God>>, i thought, << a gift that belongs to... Godfeather>>.
And it could had been be the second, after the sinsombra afk escapade earlier that day.

<3

Originally Posted by GodFeather

When i saw you mounted i was like <<A mounted AFK cappy, zOMG! This is a gift from God>>, i thought, << a gift that belongs to... Godfeather>>.
And it could had been be the second, after the sinsombra afk escapade earlier that day.

<3

hahahah this really made me chuckle almost wish you had got me now!

Big grats Greto! Don't leave us though!

Wanna say big thanks to the freeps & creeps of Eldar for the past 4+ years of action in the Moors. Fortunately you have gotten rid off my painful pewpew - finally :-P

I'll be around if you ever fancy a spar though.

/salute