Thread: Burning the world tree: Freeps and Creeps of Laurelin

Congratulations Masticore, I am proud of you son!

Gratz for rank Grazak. Best BA on serwas!

Gratz to Masticore as well. I hope with r10 your bubble CD got increased...

Tons of wargs running around at the moment, the majority in a pack. Can't say I blame freeps for logging, it's just absurd having 10 wargs pouncing you at once.

I notice that many players that usually play freep as their mains, have a warg on creepside and joins wargpacks and such. While I won't tell you how to play in the Moors, note that if I see any of you guys complaining about wargpacks or the amount of wargs, you will be branded as hypocrits and I'll pretty much loose all my respect for you.

Originally Posted by Ephellion

Tons of wargs running around at the moment, the majority in a pack. Can't say I blame freeps for logging, it's just absurd having 10 wargs pouncing you at once.

I notice that many players that usually play freep as their mains, have a warg on creepside and joins wargpacks and such. While I won't tell you how to play in the Moors, note that if I see any of you guys complaining about wargpacks or the amount of wargs, you will be branded as hypocrits and I'll pretty much loose all my respect for you.

While it may look innocent enough, something tells me there's tons of hatred and contempt hidden beneath that post, my son.

Grats on Rank Masti!

Just an idea which popped on my mind.
What if we freeps swap some auda armor to non auda armor when fighting against low rank/auda creep raid? Problem there would be high rank soloers/groups, but that's just an idea.

Originally Posted by Ephellion

Tons of wargs running around at the moment, the majority in a pack. Can't say I blame freeps for logging, it's just absurd having 10 wargs pouncing you at once.

I notice that many players that usually play freep as their mains, have a warg on creepside and joins wargpacks and such. While I won't tell you how to play in the Moors, note that if I see any of you guys complaining about wargpacks or the amount of wargs, you will be branded as hypocrits and I'll pretty much loose all my respect for you.

I do not understand why you complain about it while freeps farm creeps 24/7 (mostly greenies without audacity) and we had 12 wargs running in a pack at the end of the week. To be honest iirc I saw you telling on OOC something like: Bert's raid gonna start farming wb/oc again. Do you want that to happen every day or you got used to that kind of "action"? Maybe that's the kind of way you like to play cause you're a baws, pewpew and let it rain with infamy, but I can't stay and doing nothing while greenies gets farmed so I'll stop running solo and atleast trying to reduce the ezmode of freeps.
As you noticed, if they can not farm, they log out, this kind of "brave" freeps we have on this server and I'll try to make them get used if they're not stoping farming,zergin',hugging or whatever. Would be nice if we'll had fights where are no keeps to hug, tbh we all got bored of tr/ec/sb/ta/wb/oc fights all day.

PS: scuzi mi poor inglish ^^
<3 you pupps (even if you're a switcher :P)

[Please note this isn’t directed specifically at you Lup, or the pack yesterday: I know you’re more than happy to take on tough freeps solo. It’s just a comment on the current warg-trends in general.]


Nobody (or at least no creep) likes to see 12 ungrouped greenies getting constantly farmed at OC by 10+ well-geared freeps.


One answer for this type of action is to form a warg-pack, but what the warg-pack chooses to do once it’s formed dictates the type of action going forward. What often happens is that the 6 or 7 wargs head straight to TR fields and kill soloers coming back from the gy.


To me, this is like saying “I’m being kicked in the nuts here. I don’t like it. I know the solution, I’ll put on my boots and kick someone else in the nuts.”


It is a solution, and its stops the warg getting kicked in the nuts, but the total amount of people suffering nut-crushings is still the same. ie: it doesn’t increase the quality of the action overall in the moors. In fact it usually makes it worse, as the freeps often log off completely when they find they can’t get back from the gy.


It’s a tough situation though, because I can’t just say “you shouldn’t go to TR fields, you should head to OC and wipe the freeps there”, because, however tough wargs are atm, they still can’t take on a well-balanced freep group of roughly equal numbers without support*.

[*Someone might be able to argue this point, but I’m not sure how tough Wargs really are atm as I haven’t played mine in a while].


However, I suspect that the greenies at OC and the wargies together could actually make a decent fight for the freeps, as long as the wargies are willing to accept that they’ll die a few times in some tough fights.


Could this be a solution: when freeps are dominating creeps in a stationary fight at a bridge or OC, a warg pack forms but actually gets involved in the fight with the greenies that need the help, giving both sides chances for some kills?


[Yes, this whole post is a poorly concealed attempt to get the wargies to leave my rock alone so I can camp in peace .]

Originally Posted by Welmur

Just an idea which popped on my mind.
What if we freeps swap some auda armor to non auda armor when fighting against low rank/auda creep raid? Problem there would be high rank soloers/groups, but that's just an idea.

This is a very generous offer Welmur, but it's one that I can't really comment on fully, as I'm not sure how much weaker it makes a freep to swap pvp for pve armour. I know that a creep without the 30% dmg reduction is near worthless, but I also know freeps get something in return for dropping their Aud (more dmg? more morale? not sure really).


However, I think you might find many freeps reluctant to make this sacrifice, because of how it'll effect them if they get involved in a 1v1. No one wants to run into an opponent that they usually have close 1v1 fights with, and get face-rolled because they swapped their decent gear out to help out their weaker opponents (or at least I wouldn't ).

Well, where ever they are running from solo, they can swap their full audacity on before reaching raid for sudden 1vs1 situations, and back to few pve pieces when with others, that's not many extra clicks. And atleast my lm won't use any pve gear even when doing pve 'cause imo it's &&&& vs. pvp armor.

Originally Posted by Grolmog

This is a very generous offer Welmur, but it's one that I can't really comment on fully, as I'm not sure how much weaker it makes a freep to swap pvp for pve armour. I know that a creep without the 30% dmg reduction is near worthless, but I also know freeps get something in return for dropping their Aud (more dmg? more morale? not sure really).


However, I think you might find many freeps reluctant to make this sacrifice, because of how it'll effect them if they get involved in a 1v1. No one wants to run into an opponent that they usually have close 1v1 fights with, and get face-rolled because they swapped their decent gear out to help out their weaker opponents (or at least I wouldn't ).

I must point out that I never use the PVP armour whilst soloing, as it is utter *&^% (that goes for spars too)

I do use the PVP armour whilst healing.

Tom/Gil/Arp

Originally Posted by Grolmog

[Please note this isn’t directed specifically at you Lup, or the pack yesterday: I know you’re more than happy to take on tough freeps solo. It’s just a comment on the current warg-trends in general.]


Nobody (or at least no creep) likes to see 12 ungrouped greenies getting constantly farmed at OC by 10+ well-geared freeps.


One answer for this type of action is to form a warg-pack, but what the warg-pack chooses to do once it’s formed dictates the type of action going forward. What often happens is that the 6 or 7 wargs head straight to TR fields and kill soloers coming back from the gy.


To me, this is like saying “I’m being kicked in the nuts here. I don’t like it. I know the solution, I’ll put on my boots and kick someone else in the nuts.”


It is a solution, and its stops the warg getting kicked in the nuts, but the total amount of people suffering nut-crushings is still the same. ie: it doesn’t increase the quality of the action overall in the moors. In fact it usually makes it worse, as the freeps often log off completely when they find they can’t get back from the gy.


It’s a tough situation though, because I can’t just say “you shouldn’t go to TR fields, you should head to OC and wipe the freeps there”, because, however tough wargs are atm, they still can’t take on a well-balanced freep group of roughly equal numbers without support*.

[*Someone might be able to argue this point, but I’m not sure how tough Wargs really are atm as I haven’t played mine in a while].


However, I suspect that the greenies at OC and the wargies together could actually make a decent fight for the freeps, as long as the wargies are willing to accept that they’ll die a few times in some tough fights.


Could this be a solution: when freeps are dominating creeps in a stationary fight at a bridge or OC, a warg pack forms but actually gets involved in the fight with the greenies that need the help, giving both sides chances for some kills?


[Yes, this whole post is a poorly concealed attempt to get the wargies to leave my rock alone so I can camp in peace .]

1. Wargs dont normally go anywhere near visibles, so actually helping greenies is a bit of a no-no. We might kick some stragglers im a freep group but thats about it.
2. I don't know about other tribes but we don't normally get anywhere near TR GY, the elbow is as close as we get. If someone gets ganked coming back from the graveyard its there own fault, they've gone the wrong way. You have got 168% speed horses after all. We normally don't do TR fields unless theres a gank squad at OC. Wargs are absolutely useless against a balanced group of 6 or more.
3. Its bloody hard to play a warg. Solo its almost an impossibility unless u got max audacity and fairly high level. I got ganked by a storebought greenie the other night.

Originally Posted by Aarus

I do not understand why you complain about it while freeps farm creeps 24/7 (mostly greenies without audacity) and we had 12 wargs running in a pack at the end of the week. To be honest iirc I saw you telling on OOC something like: Bert's raid gonna start farming wb/oc again. Do you want that to happen every day or you got used to that kind of "action"? Maybe that's the kind of way you like to play cause you're a baws, pewpew and let it rain with infamy, but I can't stay and doing nothing while greenies gets farmed so I'll stop running solo and atleast trying to reduce the ezmode of freeps.
As you noticed, if they can not farm, they log out, this kind of "brave" freeps we have on this server and I'll try to make them get used if they're not stoping farming,zergin',hugging or whatever. Would be nice if we'll had fights where are no keeps to hug, tbh we all got bored of tr/ec/sb/ta/wb/oc fights all day.

PS: scuzi mi poor inglish ^^
<3 you pupps (even if you're a switcher :P)

If you read my post again you'll see that the main point wasn't the wargpack itself, but rather the freep switchers that joined that wargpack.

I might as well try to explain why I wasn't overly fond of that wargpack being formed:
When I saw you had a wargpack up, I didn't see you fighting the freep zerg. I saw you picking of random freep soloers that died before the pounce stun went off. Is that your notion of helping greenies? Making all freeps that doesn't join the main group log?

I don't blame anyone for making a wargpack during such action as we had yesterday, but keeping the wargpack up after the freeps have disbanded and there are only soloers left just kills the action completely. And please, do not for one second believe that wargpacks helps all the green reavers and other visible creeps out there. It may be good infamy and alot of fun for the wargs involved, but rest assured it's not really fun for the rest of the creeps nor the freeps.

Not sure why you think that I enjoy freeps farming outside OC purely because I don't like wargpacks being formed to gank soloers, doesn't make much sense to me to be honest.

Lupu, I don't blame you for making a wargpack to fight the freep zerg/farm. That is understandable. What I do blame you for is having that wargpack up after the majority of freeps have logged and making the last remnant of the freeps online log as well, and then trying to make it like you help greenies.


Hopefully something in this post made sense, my English can get quite messy when writing forum posts.

[QQ] Stop double-triple-quatro Vital Targeting me!!![/QQ]

Originally Posted by Ephellion

If you read my post again you'll see that the main point wasn't the wargpack itself, but rather the freep switchers that joined that wargpack.

If you have something against them you should resolve your own "problems" with them (afaik there was only 2 warg switchers). Can you do anything to change their switching playstlye?! I don't think so, just let 'em switch as many times as they want if turbine gave us this opportunity.Sad but true...

Originally Posted by Ephellion

I saw you picking of random freep soloers that died before the pounce stun went off. Is that your notion of helping greenies? Making all freeps that doesn't join the main group log?

I don't remember when a creep was threated with kindness when he got ambushed by a freep raid/group...
We didn't make any exception, and we "shaved" even the grass on our way (no matter if it was a freep from my kin or others).

Originally Posted by Ephellion

I don't blame anyone for making a wargpack during such action as we had yesterday, but keeping the wargpack up after the freeps have disbanded and there are only soloers left just kills the action completely.

I don't know when freep raid got disbanded but after Patrat logged in and you all started to camp gy, WP got disbanded cause I don't make a pack to camp their gy so I'm not sure if wargs determined freeps to log...

I hate wargpacks, they are as bad as freep zerg because kills the action, but I have to say that Lupu has given to me some nice fights several times when he is alone.
Anyway wargpacks only help greenie wargs, but make freeps go togheter and focus the dps on the poor visible ones.

There is no solution to balance anyways, so play as you people like, but don't forget that dying several times without earning a single point makes people log and think twice before coming Ettenmoors again.
In both sides.

Originally Posted by Welmur

Just an idea which popped on my mind.
What if we freeps swap some auda armor to non auda armor when fighting against low rank/auda creep raid? Problem there would be high rank soloers/groups, but that's just an idea.

What about people who do not have any other armor? And no, I will not fight in my undies as it would make everyone log off, both sides.

Nothing kills the action like being an idiot. Killing the action is totally theoretical, there are plenty of ways to combat a zerg/gank as a freep/high ranked creep. Only the low ranked creeps should be complaining.

I agree that being pounced by ten wargs is annoying, but don't get angry about it after having killed ten greenies in a row solo with three buttons. There's an easy fix to being ganked by wargs, group up. There is only one easy fix to a solo minnie, zerg it.

I'm disgusted by the rise in store brands and trackers on both creep- and freepside. Let's just put it in plain words:

A one minute immunity to CC, which can be popped in combat is not a convinience, it's an advantage.


I will go out of my way to kill anyone who pops a brand when fighting me or my groups and will remember the names of the creeps.

Bit of a direct post, apologies, I'm not targetting anybody and trying my hardest to be impartial.

Originally Posted by Lumbercamp

What about people who do not have any other armor? And no, I will not fight in my undies as it would make everyone log off, both sides.

y u kill teh akshun wit ur undies Thraric?

Originally Posted by Garathas

y u kill teh akshun wit ur undies Thraric?

Unwashed, vermin - infested, out of vogue, etc...

i love a good old fashion "Warg discussion"
As i'm one of the big stealth class haters ( even i play OP stealth Hunter :P ) i will put up a paw for them ( only for once ) Wargpacks are good to fight zergs, as sometimes they can make the difference. ( now enough of the i love warg stuff )

But i have to agree with Grukgash, the thing that really makes the unbalance is not the 10+ wargs or the 10+ rk's putting up a lighting show, its those Store brands they are an advantage, and change the outcome of a fight for 70%

Anyway have a nice time in the ettens folks
*spreads his cookies*


ps: i got a bag of cookies hidden !! in TR

Great fights last night, well sorted. I think the number of wipes was about even? Mayhem from 7 till midnight, quality.

Originally Posted by defrule

Defrule not sure :P if its just me but i can't see the picture you posted Link doesn't work either.

Originally Posted by Garathas

A one minute immunity to CC, which can be popped in combat is not a convinience, it's an advantage.


I will go out of my way to kill anyone who pops a brand when fighting me or my groups and will remember the names of the creeps.

Seems fair to me, store stuff is so bad for PvP.
Never used, and never will. Wasting TP only to not to give some infamy/renown to the other side?
Must be kidding.

(Ofc I bought skills for my creeps, but don't think anyone can blame me for this)

Originally Posted by TiNdA-LoS

(Ofc I bought skills for my creeps, but don't think anyone can blame me for this)

Rypper will.

Great fights last night, even with loads of soloers the group fights were still balance-able - based upon location - for example when I left after wiping in TA (thanks for pulls soloers) there were loads of Freeps who were farming west bridge but they didnt hang around in TA after pulling half the keep...

I am not a fan of Store Brands etc as they tend to be abused by solo farmers who leech off group fights and then use EZ mode skills and store speed and immunity to escape, If they are Creeps, then these buffs dont help if they are low ranks.

I laughed the most at the attacks at TR with Patrat "leading" in OOC - surely sometime the lower ranked creeps who he uses as cannon fodder to get his infamy will realise what is going on!?!

You could at least invite them to a group with some healers and share some of your infamy Pat...

Originally Posted by Rogbarz

the thing that really makes the unbalance is not the 10+ wargs or the 10+ rk's putting up a lighting show, its those Store brands they are an advantage, and change the outcome of a fight for 70%

Agree 100% with that.
I just checked the leaderboards in this morning and I saw few freeps with high rating who just hug their groups for renown and seems to have no clue about how to fight.One of them is Alexgar, just saw his rating close to 2k and I wanted to try fighting this "mighty" captain...immune to pounce,slows,etc from ta river all the way to tr gy, sprinting and jumping like a two winged when he arrived at gy...I am sick of these huggers and store branders who never fight 1vs1, just always run the closest keep/gy/group/etc and do their best to feed the store.

YEAH, I AM QQ-ING !

Originally Posted by Aarus

Agree 100% with that.
I just checked the leaderboards in this morning and I saw few freeps with high rating who just hug their groups for renown and seems to have no clue about how to fight.One of them is Alexgar, just saw his rating close to 2k and I wanted to try fighting this "mighty" captain...immune to pounce,slows,etc from ta river all the way to tr gy, sprinting and jumping like a two winged when he arrived at gy...I am sick of these huggers and store branders who never fight 1vs1, just always run the closest keep/gy/group/etc and do their best to feed the store.

Once I chased minstrel from TR ford, to nombogs behind TA and all the way to Lug, unable to kill her with my poor spidey DPS.

woah the burning tree is gonna be extinguished by all this qqing soon! I used to load it up and read replies in a minute or two, now it takes up to 20 :O

If im honest - whilst warg packs are a pain, it's mostly lower ranked wargs in them, and in the scenario someone mentioned: 10 well geared freeps ganking OC log cos they're getting ganked at the gy - man up and deal with them? Let's be honest, freeps have the upper hand most of the time, if a group of 10 log cos they can't deal with a group of 6-7 wargs then that's kinda pathetic, it's hardly like we're seeing Shinach's old warg raids - going up to 24 (ahh those were the days ) Hunters can track almost to tr from the gy, so hunting them isn't really that difficult. From my experience on creepside, burg packs don't tend to last long cos they get hunted down by a small group of experienced creeps looking for a good fight or a raid etc... You have the ability to deal with them - so just destroy em!

Originally Posted by Faileon

Once I chased minstrel from TR ford, to nombogs behind TA and all the way to Lug, unable to kill her with my poor spidey DPS.

Battlemages dont simply die when afk and autorun on, they heal themselves in ws even then.

Gratz to latest rankers Sherina,Fullarton,Masti and Grazak(didnt notice you ranked Grazak,apologies) and others i cant remember.
About warg packs,they suck end off,maybe if they didnt just gank solos/duos it would be different but they dont,@ Gutterat sorry mate but ive seen a few of your tribies regular at TR GY and i dont mean the elbow,all the excuses about packs being formed dont wash,6+ stealthed class for a couple of freeps smacks big time of EZ mode and kills action in ettens
Also audacity in ettens is a farce,greenie creeps have no chance,and using PvE armour increases most classes DPS so it will not help greenie creep im afraid,they will just die quicker,so more wargies get rolled,plus you dont want to see an under-garmented Thrara,his beard is bad enough
Store bought stuff to PvP ? Turbine made it available,if people want to buy it imo its their choice to waste real money on a few pixels,me personally im not that desperate to avoid giving infamy/renown out for people to get their moment of glory i might get lucky next time,its PvP you win some you lose some

Personally i wouldnt play another creep in the moors on the rare occasions i do play apart from warg , i usually play solo or wiv 3-4 friends i dont like large packs i like to nip in a out of combat and roam around in stealth .. so why should i or anybody else roll or play another class because freeps dont like it ? For me the class is all about basically picking on he weak and quickly going in a out of combat who would i want to stand paw to toe wiv a champ with its endless cd's and high dps or a minstrel with its strong dps and healing abilities ? I play the game for my enjoyment not others who are mostly interest in how fast they can rank or there rating .

Originally Posted by Gutterat

Rypper will.

Has he tried rolling a greenie reaver recently? I'm not attacking his opinion or anything, but I think I go down fast on my WL to a raid, I go down just as fast against one freep on a green reaver, the only way to be useful is to get a few skills and turn into a glass peashooter (cannon not being the correct expression).

Three biggest problems in the moors, essentially around the same subject:

1. New players are discouraged by a simply inability to compete.
Problem: Audacity, eccentuated by lack of skills

2. Reliance on raids/quests until you hit about rank 8.
Problem: Lack of variety, which also doesn't help when trying to get into a game.

3. Narrow mindedness/elitism in the majority of veteran players in the moors (including myself).
Problem: We've been here too long and seen lots of players come and go, approaching new players/leading raids seems to be a waste of effort.

That's how I see it. I'd also love a new map.... lol....

Originally Posted by Garathas

Has he tried rolling a greenie reaver recently? I'm not attacking his opinion or anything, but I think I go down fast on my WL to a raid, I go down just as fast against one freep on a green reaver, the only way to be useful is to get a few skills and turn into a glass peashooter (cannon not being the correct expression).

Three biggest problems in the moors, essentially around the same subject:

1. New players are discouraged by a simply inability to compete.
Problem: Audacity, eccentuated by lack of skills

2. Reliance on raids/quests until you hit about rank 8.
Problem: Lack of variety, which also doesn't help when trying to get into a game.

3. Narrow mindedness/elitism in the majority of veteran players in the moors (including myself).
Problem: We've been here too long and seen lots of players come and go, approaching new players/leading raids seems to be a waste of effort.

That's how I see it. I'd also love a new map.... lol....

I pretty much agree however with my green reaver i did find for some reason despite the frustration at many points there was a certain aspect of hilarity of its so bad its quite fun which I find odd also with the raid leaders I never saw much elitism most if not all raid leaders allowed greenies into raids which i am thankful for as i didnt fancy pve in the pvp area up to rank 7 where it became less useless . yeah soloing is still impossible the number of times ive entered into 1 on 1 with any freep and died especially mornaro (although when he finally does die he does drop a lot of inf so i stop trying to avoid him particularly) and cazikee (who is great at killing me within 3 seconds after going up 7 ranks ) although somehow for a lot of people i think the hilarity is never there or wears off very quickly

Originally Posted by Haldlas;

... it's hardly like we're seeing Shinach's old warg raids - going up to 24 (ahh those were the days )

Indeed. If people think its bad now getting ganked by a half dozen wargs those packs (super packs we used to call them) would have them spitting teeth. Twenty four wargs running around ganking everyone and everything, including soloers. By comparison the current crop of warg packs are rather tame.

Wargs are always going to run in packs (personally I don't join many these days and I seem to notice a similar trend amongst the other high ranked wargs). It's just one of those things and by all means people can have a good moan about it (wargs actually love that), but truth be told they're not going away.

Originally Posted by MrWarg

If people think its bad now getting ganked by a half dozen wargs those packs (super packs we used to call them) would have them spitting teeth.

Well, not to me.
You just need 3 wargs to kill me in 2 seconds, so the other 21 are useless.

The big difference between now and then are:

a) wargs are much more effective than in SoA, to the point where two are an overkill for most freeps classes

b) no more constant burg packs running around. This makes it so that only one side is annoyed by stealthers right now

Originally Posted by TiNdA-LoS

Well, not to me.
You just need 3 wargs to kill me in 2 seconds, so the other 21 are useless.

3 to kill you, 1 to bring the popcorn, 2 to keep a lookout, 1 to track you, 1 to mourn you, 4 to use Rallying Howl after the kill, 1 to miss the kill, 1 to lead, 1 to be talking to the creep raid, 1 to not be in stealth when he should, 1 to tell a joke, 1 to FRAPS it, 1 to not have his in-game sound working, 1 to be complaining about freeps, 1 to act as RAT, 2 to be new wargs and not know anything and 1 to make the tea.

But 24 is fine to kill champs or battlemages (lol Berul)