Thread: Burning the world tree: Freeps and Creeps of Laurelin

Originally Posted by ConnallofLaurelin

but the creep scouting isnt what it used to be.

Oi!! I do some scouting (for Pali's raids) from time to time.


Any pictures of the event?? too bad I missed it, the event seem to be good I've heard..

Originally Posted by Celebrimhir

http://dailystats.theblackappendage....board/Laurelin

freeps did 90k more than creeps in the "happy" event day, the numbers of the people in the creep event raid who where feeding you are simply ridicoulus, while you did near 6k of renown and you finished with one of the highest rating you ever got the creep raid leader finished with 3k and less than 1k rating

the only good thing of the event was the number of players in both sides and seeing some old faces in the server.

Were you playing much on either side on Saturday Celebrimhir? I didnt see too many Hispaneas around... I was expecting more to be there.

I didnt set up the event to farm renown, I was hoping for more Creeps and Freeps, fights all over the map and many groups. Ended up as only our Freep raid, not having coop with soloers and small groups really as we didnt need any help most of the time, and Creep cooperation was not good as I was told by several from Creep side.

Actually I tend to get this high a rating after a big event where I dont die too much - I had many healers so I got more protection than normal a lot of the time...

It doesnt usually last very long anyway!

Originally Posted by Celebrimhir

http://dailystats.theblackappendage....board/Laurelin

freeps did 90k more than creeps in the "happy" event day, the numbers of the people in the creep event raid who where feeding you are simply ridicoulus, while you did near 6k of renown and you finished with one of the highest rating you ever got the creep raid leader finished with 3k and less than 1k rating

the only good thing of the event was the number of players in both sides and seeing some old faces in the server.

There wasn't a 'creep event raid' as you put it, there were 3. 4 if you count Grugs that disbanded after an hour. Invictus, Dances and a wp. Which of these 'leaders' are you referring too, I can't see any in the top ten! The only time our raid 'fed' the freeps was at OC when we just had some brave creeps willing to die to create a diversion while we took Ost. Also, I wouldn't take any notice of the stats, I know for a fact Anklebiter clocked 4k that day.

We had a ball, why don't you sod off back to Star Wars or whatever you're playing now, or at least try to improve your trolls?

Originally Posted by Celebrimhir

while you did near 6k of renown and you finished with one of the highest rating you ever got the creep raid leader finished with 3k and less than 1k rating

the only good thing of the event was the number of players in both sides and seeing some old faces in the server.

Connall was leading from just after 5 uk time, until about 9 uk time, so it was expected for him to earn more as more creeps logged at around 6:30,

at some points (Namly at 6:30) i can see people thinkinh it was a time for the freeps to farm the creeps, as connall was trying to get creep group/raid leaders onto mumble to organis there sides better, and conrar/cedrian took over, and were fighting at WB/TA, we then did a tactical withdraw to TR for connals relog



but the next event hopefully will be more organised on both sides, so 1 side dont think its a farm.

Grugnug wasn't interested on working together with the freep raid or take part on the event as such at all. Therefor his raid disbanded (after Grugnug went ld and didn't come back).

Atlak was leading the main creep raid in which i was in with several others. Connall sent a freep to creep side to see which 'leaders' were present and tried to get them activated to the event and come on mumble. None stepped up, none gave a *hit about his attempts to contact creep leaders. I eventually asked to get the mumble details, went there to have a chat and told Connall we were coming up empty handed.

Why didn't you guys come to mumble with us? The oppoturnity was there, it was offered to ALL creep group leaders on OOC but nobody acted so the 'crying and moaning' about poor cooperation and not playing together is unfounded. If nobody speaks up its hard to know if you had the info, if you are leading something or would even be interested in some sort of event. I recall a few times atleast where the one and only purpose of certain tribes has been to sabotage the event from the start.

Atlak was the ONLY creep who actually bothered to do something, went to the forums, checked into the event and contacted Connall using mumble.

I don't know how much Atlak was in contact with the other creep groups (in tells) but what i saw in our raid, it wasn't much due to being busy telling our raid to keep it together. Also when Atlak was leading and trying to find the freeps he simply did not have the time to chat on OOC as much as probably was needed. Next time it would also help to know who is leading which groups.

Imho creeps should have kept better communications going on the creep side all the time. The daily pvp stats would have probably been different if the smaller creep groups and main raid had worked better together. Some of the groups kept hanging around in OC making it know on OOC how they are being farmed. Instead they could have followed the main creep raid which spent loads of time running around the map trying to find them filthy freeps!

Next time we all know better though ..atleast i hope so!

Despite the bugs (our own npcs on us) and the lag that didn't allow executing skills in creep raid it was after all rather nice evening.

Btw if you guys check the daily pvp stats, it's nearly ALWAYS freeps with the most renown gain. I find it bit odd! Oh wait ..could it be because freeps tend to group up ..duos trios, even the odd foursome every now and then ..hmm..

In defence of Atlak he didn't expect to be leading I was assisting most of the time and I didn't expect to be in such a position, so yes we were disorganised, at one stage when Atlak left for a ten minute break and I was leading Morgatai keep trying to tell me what was going on but I was too busy trying to keep the raid to-gether to pay as much attention as I should have. I think like myself most creeps turned up expecting at least one of our experienced leaders to be on. Atlak did a brilliant job when you consider it came at him cold.

I turned up after Connall tried to contact people I guess. Too bad. Anyway, can't use voice. After a few years of lotro I still couldn't be arsed to get a mic.

Yes freeps normally have higher renown, but the day of the event was crazy, top ten freeps vs creeps was nearly double renown, thats what I meant. And thats what people were complaining about. I'm not saying you should take it personally, but it looks a bit off for an event meant for both sides to enjoy.

Originally Posted by Garathas

I turned up after Connall tried to contact people I guess. Too bad. Anyway, can't use voice. After a few years of lotro I still couldn't be arsed to get a mic.

Yes freeps normally have higher renown, but the day of the event was crazy, top ten freeps vs creeps was nearly double renown, thats what I meant. And thats what people were complaining about. I'm not saying you should take it personally, but it looks a bit off for an event meant for both sides to enjoy.

I need to let you know, that some of us spend more time in ettens that day, than only the event - actually I was in an Eawig group the most of the afternoon... Statistic can be really hard to read something usefull from...

I do hope, that you agree with me, that we need funny, weird, different events, and be creative about them, to recruit more pvp'ers generally.

I couldn't attend the event, but it sounded like it was fun so hopefully we'll see more events in the coming months!

Congratulations Rakanor on Rank 11! A great achievement for a suicidal reaver like yourself!

Grats on rank Rakanor ,Awenalys and ketth

Gratz rankers! Most especially our crazy reaver, gz on 11 Raka!

Grats Rakanor!
*axe*

Congratulations on rank 11, Rakanor. You're one of those players of whom you can truely say "No guts, No glory". Mastered Dying Rage to perfection

Gratz Ketth and Raka!
You berserkers!

Gratz Rak, I forgot to say I think during that event I heard a few calls on chat saying people had ranked, gz to them too, can't remember their names though. The mumble thing was a bit of a fail really, I think most people I talked to had never heard of it. I know a few creeps use teamspeak and vent, but not mumble. Also I seem to remember Atlak had to turn his off cos one of our raid had it on and could hear him giving instructrions to our raid over it, so he had to dump it.

Hey Raori, hows my favourite suicidal maniac?

Mumble transmits less bits then TS/Vent so for people that suffer lag, it is one of the better voice softwares

you can sit it up so you have 2 different keys to speak = 1 for in game, and 1 for mumble only, take 3 mins to set up correct

Originally Posted by Tanz-love-cookies

Mumble transmits less bits then TS/Vent so for people that suffer lag, it is one of the better voice softwares

you can sit it up so you have 2 different keys to speak = 1 for in game, and 1 for mumble only, take 3 mins to set up correct

I have enough trouble with the in-game speak, let alone anything else. Ask anyone.

Originally Posted by Gutterat

I have enough trouble with the in-game speak, let alone anything else. Ask anyone.

That's because the ingame voice system simply sucks. Why do you think people are using other voice servers instead? More players on server = worse the ingame voice becomes. (Effects both sides btw, not just monster play)

Great Fights tonight at various parts of the map!

Thanks to The Freeps and Creeps of Laurelin

Originally Posted by ConnallofLaurelin

Great Fights tonight at various parts of the map!

Thanks to The Freeps and Creeps of Laurelin

And we still couldn't take TA!!! We were trying to tire you out sunning up and doen the stairs, but didn't quite work....

I discovered that after eating a kebab I attract x10 more wargs!

Originally Posted by Lumbercamp

I discovered that after eating a kebab I attract x10 more wargs!

Then you should try to eat a kebab and play a hunter, so you'll get a x100!

Nice fights tonight, thanks for the fun.

Originally Posted by Azshakh

Congratulations on rank 11, Rakanor. You're one of those players of whom you can truely say "No guts, No glory". Mastered Dying Rage to perfection

Gratz Rakanor, well deserved mate! Like Az said, you're a walking example of your tribes moto; No guts, no glory! Keep it up man!

Originally Posted by ConnallofLaurelin

I am Connall, shouty, foul mouthed Hunter and raid leader, not to be confused with Conrar, shouty, foul mouthed Scottish Champion and raid leader.

I'm not sure Scottish already included that but you left out "drunk" in Conrar's description,...

Some nice fights yesterday afternoon, logged off when raiding time started not sure what happened after. Nice to see so many numbers on both sides.

Was on warg after a long time yesterday, duo with Grazak (<3), that was the best part of the day, would like to send my regards to my kin, this made my day;

Your mighty blow topples Beolagar. (~6 HA! In your face! (<3))
Your mighty blow topples Alexgar.
Your mighty blow topples Cedrian.

Originally Posted by Lumbercamp

I discovered that after eating a kebab I attract x10 more wargs!

I know the feeling, as a warg I find if I stop to roll a cigarette I attract a whole freep raid....:0

Gutterat amazing avatar, looks like you exactly

Something smells in here... Oh, hi Torli!

Rising Sun Event tomorrow!

Originally Posted by Morgatai

Grugnug wasn't interested on working together with the freep raid or take part on the event as such at all. Therefor his raid disbanded (after Grugnug went ld and didn't come back).

Nope, i didnt know an event was happening like that, wasnt told anything, i logged a while before, and heavy freep farm.. suddenly freep comes on creep ooc saying do i want to co-ordinate with freeps... asked raid and they seemed a bit dubious so i said no.

Why would i want to co-ordinate with them after they have been farming us all day, would be crazy!

When i looked into this event quickly on forums i didnt want to disrupt it as thats not my thing so i tried to find freeps near the main keeps so they could do their event in peace.

After numerous wipes due to LOTRO lagging heavily i eventually got stuck and Connall sends me a tell and explains to me what is going on. I wouldnt of been able to lead a raid no matter how hard i tried that night, i was just not able to re-act to any situation due to lag.. my client chucked me out and i had some other things to do so there wasn't much point in me logging on.

I mean community events are great and i didnt want to ruin that as i didnt really know what was going on! But not sure how many creep leaders are floating about nowadays, unfortunately the way this game is made means that there has to be someone in charge, which sucks.

Very hard to lead solo creeps/freeps, the one person who manages to do it quite effectively is Patrat, because he generates discussion and gives the locations of the freeps at regular intervals so people who log in/are solo can make their way up, only works in some situations though.

I feel LOTRO is very limited as to what events can be created PvMP side, not sure devs even support GM events now, and the amount of lag makes mass events very difficult.

You can organise the best event on the freepside, but if you dont communicate with the key players on creepside then there wont be an event, and infact given the fact i didnt really know about the event i thought the freeps coming on creep demanding communication was a bit patronising, which sets creeps onto the defensive.

One event i did ages ago turned to be one huge lagfest, a fun lagfest though! LOTRO PvMP has few ways of creating organised fun, and to be fair if creeps/freeps has been farmed by the other side really hard in the hours leading up to the event, you cannot expect them to play ball.

Communication seems to be an underlying theme here, one that LOTRO has never really addressed. But whos to say we should communicate? Raid v Raid straight up freeps will win every time if they have a bit of sense, its usually the solers and small groups that join in that turn the tide.

Nobody in their right mind can argue freeps are less powerful than creeps in general, its a mini game, you have to pour alot more time into a freep to get to pvmp so you should know your class well anyway and also you have more in your armoury than creeps.

I log into creepside now and its so sad , i look at forums and it seems there is such an apathy nobody is QQing, i could go to pvmp forums and see heated debates about mincer is this, warg is this, loremaster does this but spider dont do this. I look now and it is such a sad state compared to what it is, no life at all. Just a few dedicated pvmpers and new ones getting frustrated and despertatly try to get the devs to listen.

By all means events in moors are needed, but you have to understand the imbalance in the game, and the communication barriers. Even as a minigame i guess PvMP could be alot of fun... but look at it, i really think they need to fix things for all sides.. i doubt freeps get much of a challenge now? More of a chore ^^. Oh well back to the battlefield, got some tanks that need my C4

Adios!

Grats on rank 11 Iorick

Grats Master Iorick
*axe*

Grats Iorick!

And Grug: it is damn hard to communicate anything out, if you dont read forum! It is not like the treasure event was a secret!

And for those who dont know - there is a Rising Sun Event - invasion on Landroval 7 PM UK time - TONIGHT!

Originally Posted by Joylil

Grats Iorick!

And Grug: it is damn hard to communicate anything out, if you dont read forum! It is not like the treasure event was a secret!

And for those who dont know - there is a Rising Sun Event - invasion on Landroval 7 PM UK time - TONIGHT!

Grug barely plays anymore, you can't expect him to continue to read forums for the sake of events.

Originally Posted by defrule

Grug barely plays anymore, you can't expect him to continue to read forums for the sake of events.

And probably Joylil doesn't play creep, so wouldn't know that

Originally Posted by defrule

Grug barely plays anymore, you can't expect him to continue to read forums for the sake of events.

Well - he really can't complain not being told about an event then - or can he?

I am just shaking my head - we want changes, we try do something, plan some events, and then get QQ for not informing about them? I think it is every damn players own responsibility to try find out, what is going on... and if you are in a tribe, alliance, kin... whatever, then try remember to tell those friends that you know dont read or get updates anywhere, what is happening, if they show up... I really don't think we, that made that last event, could have done much more, to let the community know, there was an event going on...
But - for the future, I will try remember post on facebook too - I think there still is a facebook group for all Lauelin PvMP'ers right? Maybe you all will notice that... if you join it ofc.

Thanks for a fun Rising Sun Event. Nice to be able to return with victory!
Well done!
/cheers

Originally Posted by Joylil

I think it is every damn players own responsibility to try find out, what is going on... and if you are in a tribe, alliance, kin... whatever, then try remember to tell those friends that you know dont read or get updates anywhere, what is happening, if they show up... I really don't think we, that made that last event, could have done much more, to let the community know, there was an event going on...

Very well said Joy, but do remember: you cannot please everyone.... there'll always be people who make a fuss about things....

Originally Posted by Joylil

Well - he really can't complain not being told about an event then - or can he?

I am just shaking my head - we want changes, we try do something, plan some events, and then get QQ for not informing about them?

I think a lot of things that happened were 'unfortunate' the way it panned out. It was early on a saturday evening, the best weather we'd had this year so most people were actually at the beach/pub/BBQ whatever, I know thats why a lot of us were late starters. Also a few people that normally organize big raids don't play on saturdays because of RL commitments. The fact some players (me included) have slow PCs that lag seriously in big raids knocked at least 4 or 5 possible leaders I know of.
Grugs come on just to have a look whats going on these days and he suddenly gets a whole raid to take care of. I know he had serious lag, so logged, then he gets ppl criticising him.

Everybody I know creepside thought the event was quality. But then we were all drunk

Grats Iorick...

Congratualtions to Iorick - the best functioning rez machine ever.

Originally Posted by Joylil

Well - he really can't complain not being told about an event then - or can he?

You must of got the wrong end of the stick my friend, in no way was i complaining about not being told or such. Maybe i was not so clear, i do not play lotro regularly anymore, 5 years of playing a warleader i think most would understand that. When i logged in a few hours before the event, i felt i was almost expected that i lead a raid against a event i knew nothing about. Im sure you promoted it well and such, but when i havent been around for a while and know nothing about it, then suddenly be put into the thick of it of course im going to not want to disrupt it. I may of participated in it once Connall logged over and explained what was happening however i was lagging so bad i was unable to do that.

The point in my post i was attempting to make was this event didnt appear to have any leaders creep side, i posted in ooc a few times but no one to lead the creeps came forward, i cannot imagine me being that imposing someone would be afraid of saying as such.

I wasnt attacking or QQing i was offering constructive criticism and my explanation of what was going on my end.. i fail to see why people are being so defensive. None of my "friends" who play lotro communicate with me any more and im not digging them out but why should they? And facebook is the route of all evil and i even stated as such in other posts on this very forum that i do not have facebook.

Your view that the event organisers couldn't of done much more is flawed, you could have done the best event ever but there is always more you can do. Thats not a criticism of the hard work people put in, but always room for improvement in all things, and thats not always directly in your control which i sort of elluded to in my previous post.

If i dont play lotro anymore why should it be my responsibility to find out. When i found out something was happening i did actually briefly check the forums and i decided that i would rather let you guys do you what you want and not spoil what looked to be an interesting event. Only when my raid got attacked combined with the lag that i took myself out completely, before i logged however connal did speak to me briefly and explained to me a bit clearer and i hope i explained to him why i couldn't participate.

I can understand once i left people had some fun which is fantastic, i was simply trying to point out the lack of a creep leader at the start of the event. If you take that as a personal attack on your event then thats your choice, actually quite the opposite but hey.

Originally Posted by Joylil

Well - he really can't complain not being told about an event then - or can he?

I am just shaking my head - we want changes, we try do something, plan some events, and then get QQ for not informing about them? I think it is every damn players own responsibility to try find out, what is going on... and if you are in a tribe, alliance, kin... whatever, then try remember to tell those friends that you know dont read or get updates anywhere, what is happening, if they show up... I really don't think we, that made that last event, could have done much more, to let the community know, there was an event going on...
But - for the future, I will try remember post on facebook too - I think there still is a facebook group for all Lauelin PvMP'ers right? Maybe you all will notice that... if you join it ofc.

Grugnug didn't know about the event, logged in and played the way he did normally. Considering he was one of the leaders of creeps then any comment about no leader stepping up for the event is implicating him, after all he was online for a while that day. Don't presume for even a moment that he ought to have participated that day and it was duly his responsibility to follow up on the event and play ball.

It is your event, you ought to put work into informing those people you want to participate. How inflated is your ego to expect others to go out of their way to find about about your event? If creep leaders don't read forums or followup on events, it IS your responsibility to let them know about it otherwise they won't be there and your event doesn't go as planned.

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