Thread: Burning the world tree: Freeps and Creeps of Laurelin

Originally Posted by Thoronthor

The only reason you say there is too much QQ on creep OOC is because it is probably QQ directed at something you identify with like mincer or a certain kin.

Creep OOC will always be full of freep hate, because we hate freeps, deal with it. And if you dont like, hit the road Jack.

I don't see how creep OOC can spoil anything, it is far more lively, friendly and entertaining than anything I have ever seen on freep side.

So please stop your propaganda campaign, creep OOC is awesome, especially with patrat online. Anyone who disagrees is a dirty dirty freep.

ROFL,i i give an opinion and its a propaganda campaign ? The QQ i refer to is about freep OPness in general,it bores me to hear it day after day,so i do hit the road like you say,and deal with it thx

Originally Posted by Anoir

Hey Im at Audacity 6 ;D and I still need comms for my soon to be R12 Insignia and Horse! (Yes rank horses used to cost silver.. now they cost multiple thousand comms.. Fail)

i ranked my warg and when i went to look for the white skin, 7500 commendations, seems a very bad joke.

Originally Posted by Celebrimhir

i ranked my warg and when i went to look for the white skin, 7500 commendations, seems a very bad joke.

yeah, whats the betting they've done this so you can buy the stuff in the lotro store soon.....*buy commendations* meh...

good to see you again caries ('.•)

Gratz on rank Ush and Parmy
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Originally Posted by kuru

ROFL,i i give an opinion and its a propaganda campaign ? The QQ i refer to is about freep OPness in general,it bores me to hear it day after day,so i do hit the road like you say,and deal with it thx

Still less boring than the Warg QQ that has been going on for the last 5 years in freep OOC.
Yes yes we get it, Grimm is a coward ganker blablabla, wargs are all noobs etc.

You don't get bored by that? I call that being biased. Which is fine I'm biased to, just own up to it.

This is why I call it propaganda, you make it sound like creep OOC is only QQ, when the truth is the vast majority isn't QQ, it's light-hearted banter, you know...for fun. The fact you don't get that means that A) You are a freep. and B) You take everything that is said way too seriously.

Take Patrat (please )...if you get annoyed by him, it is because you take him seriously, which you shouldn't because he doesn't even take himself seriously, the only people who take Patrat seriously are freeps.

So as Patrat would say:

fart-milk

Originally Posted by Thoronthor

Still less boring than the Warg QQ that has been going on for the last 5 years in freep OOC.
Yes yes we get it, Grimm is a coward ganker blablabla, wargs are all noobs etc.

You don't get bored by that? I call that being biased. Which is fine I'm biased to, just own up to it.

This is why I call it propaganda, you make it sound like creep OOC is only QQ, when the truth is the vast majority isn't QQ, it's light-hearted banter, you know...for fun. The fact you don't get that means that A) You are a freep. and B) You take everything that is said way too seriously.

Take Patrat (please )...if you get annoyed by him, it is because you take him seriously, which you shouldn't because he doesn't even take himself seriously, the only people who take Patrat seriously are freeps.

So as Patrat would say:

fart-milk

lol i take things serious ? You stated you hate people who play freep pixels .........Sorry i dont think like you and no you have to keep Patrat sorry

so as i would say:

Damn wargs !!!

Originally Posted by kuru

lol i take things serious ? You stated you hate people who play freep pixels .........Sorry i dont think like you and no you have to keep Patrat sorry

so as i would say:

Damn wargs !!!

see that was my whole point.

When I say I "hate" freeps....that's not something to be taken seriously, I just like to get in Character when I play my warg. So yes, Grimmjaw hates freeps, the player behind Grimmjaw really doesn't care one way or the other about freeps.

Will you take him with some free fries? *pushes Patrat towards kuru* *sprinkles him with fries*

Ill throw in a shiny brand new used chew toy *holds out a badly chewed hobbit arm*

Patrat explicitly did not ask me to thank all the freeps for providing him with an infamy rain at GV nubs.

Anybody who has a character named James Blunt you have just got to love....or hate IRL.

Thanks Creepys for few pics yesturday at the birdy (Gamwell here)

Brunt you take a bad picture ;-)

dont mind me when u see me, ill do 2 things, rest my shield on ur dead body or hit you in the face with my shield until ur dead then reast my shield on ur dead body ;-) enjoy

and smile when u kill me ;-) always take photos, best kills may be posted

Originally Posted by Thoronthor

Will you take him with some free fries? *pushes Patrat towards kuru* *sprinkles him with fries*

Ill throw in a shiny brand new used chew toy *holds out a badly chewed hobbit arm*

Hmmm maybe and thats where Pildocs arm went ? i got to start hunting you more

I tried to hit One Million Renown on the dot...



Epic Fail...

Then I continued my fights until...!



Cheers guys, thanks to every creep who has fought with me and thanks to every freep who has been fighting with me against the creeps Special thanks to Balimli, Bert, Thorbi and Gildi for helping me on the way!

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Not playing much but reached 10k kbs tonight!

23.000 total kills after all, where I put the eye, I just put it! nn

Originally Posted by Gorgilh

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Not playing much but reached 10k kbs tonight!

23.000 total kills after all, where I put the eye, I just put it! nn

I am glad that I could contribute to about one third of those, hehe

And my humble congratulations to you Ano, you are one evil dwarf with big balls of fire, well done, and well deserved

Now come to creepside for a bit

congratulations anoir - i particularly like the 50 deaths in between screenies

Grats Anoir, Wofof and all rankers.

Big gratz to the latest rankers well done keep up the fight

grats Anoir ^^
you fell and stood back up everytime ^^ to go and kill those creeps


*dance*

Congratulations to Anoir for R12 and Wofof for R11! Also congrats on the 10k KB's Cazi!

Congratulations to Barngash on r9 - huge achievement for a defiler!

Grats on R8 , barny

Originally Posted by Haldlas

Congratulations to Barngash on r9 - huge achievement for a defiler!

Noob, everybody knows defilers are OP! Gratz Barngash, Anoir and Wofof. Jeez Anoir I wondered what the nukefest was for the other night. Must've been your levelling party.

Gratz on r9 defiler!

And big gratz to our lady Alinutza! she hitted r11 =).

And especiall gratz to myself, for being like I am!

Grats Barngash

Originally Posted by Gorgilh

And especiall gratz to myself, for being like I am!

Grats Cazi, for being like you are! =D

Also, congratulations to Mr. Overkill, Barny and all the others who ranked recently! What a great and meaningful achievement!

I keed, I keed.

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P.S: Pacco Maei!

Well yesterday started off well and had some great fights but it seems some creeps were enjoying the opportunity to farm.

You cant help it if you have the numbers to zerg but changing what you do can build up the action instead of killing it off.

Originally Posted by ConnallofLaurelin

Well yesterday started off well and had some great fights but it seems some creeps were enjoying the opportunity to win.

You cant help it if you have the numbers to hug but changing what you do can build up the action instead of killing it off.

I`ve amended some typos for ye.

Originally Posted by ConnallofLaurelin

Well yesterday started off well and had some great fights but it seems some creeps were enjoying the opportunity to farm.

You cant help it if you have the numbers to zerg but changing what you do can build up the action instead of killing it off.

The first thing I want to make clear is that this is not a "What are talking about?! We woz not farming youz!" post.

I'm genuinely interested to see during which parts of yesterday's action that you felt creeps were farming. I was in the main raid for most of the late-afternoon and evening (from about 5pm GMT to Midnight). We had three different leaders, each for a few hours.

From my perspective, the action was always fairly similar: creeps always had the numbers and the upper hand. Until around 11pm we had a full raid most of the time, with some soloers and sometimes a wargpack too, while the freeps seemed to be hovering around between about 15 people and a full raid in numbers.

Sometimes we fought with NPCs on us (at LC and Ost mainly), but we tried never to pull crazy amounts, and we didn't really want to fight near the Ost One-Shotters.

It's always difficult to tell how the other side is feeling about the action, but my thoughts were this: either that freeps would feel they were being farmed for the whole time I was in the raid, or they wouldn't feel they were being farmed at all, because the action was always fairly similar to my eyes.

I really would like to know which bits felt farmy and which didn't to the freeps, because it's always handy to know what the other side is thinking when you're trying to make good fights.

As I said at the start, this is in no way an attack on Connall's post, or an attempt to say creeps definitely weren't farming, it's just an attempt to understand what the freeps felt was farming and what they didn't.

After ages compared to playing CaziKee my hunter, I finally get the title!



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Slay Enemies of Angmar -- Tier 4 A new Title has been bestowed upon you, you may now be known as Gorgilh, Slayer of Light!

Being a spider, thats like 5 times harder than freep title!! =)

Now close to r12, hope in 3 days

Originally Posted by Grolmog

The first thing I want to make clear is that this is not a "What are talking about?! We woz not farming youz!" post.

I'm genuinely interested to see during which parts of yesterday's action that you felt creeps were farming. I was in the main raid for most of the late-afternoon and evening (from about 5pm GMT to Midnight). We had three different leaders, each for a few hours.

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As I said at the start, this is in no way an attack on Connall's post, or an attempt to say creeps definitely weren't farming, it's just an attempt to understand what the freeps felt was farming and what they didn't.

Nice to have an intelligent response to my post, thank you!

My understanding was their was a creep main raid and several other kin groups warg groups etc...

If you were there in the late afternoon to early evening that was mostly when I was talking about.

Creeps had numbers the whole day, which is fine, and its always good to have a challenge as it brings out the best in you and helps you learn.

The difference between the early afternoon and how it seemed to work most of the time after 5PM until I left about 7.30 was that rather than having different creep groups doing their own thing and making it possible to have some decent fights, we seemed to have a lot of cynical and overly coordinated farming going on.

It may just have been a function of numbers and location, but the fights at TR were not particularly sporting, shall we say.

When you have around 50 creeps around the keep and the Creep main raid is hiding round the back to charge round and gank you when your struggling to get a few kills out of the smaller groups and soloers at the front of the keep, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

It may be tactically good, but really, trying too hard when you are already dominating does not make for good PvP

What helps keep the action flowing is to take MORE risks when you can afford to.

So we needed the one shots, the NPCs, and we needed you to attack into them and take more risks. Retreating down the valley away from the one shots to chase back to them was the same thing.

Im not bothered about dieing over and over again, but some people are, and if you have NO chance to get any kills it does not encourage you to stay - as I said to people when I left all you can do is stay at the one shots or the top of Ost and try to get a few kills but I dont encourage people to stay and be farmed.

When after that there are no organised groups then what have your 50 creeps got to do? Spam emotes and farm quest stuff? kill a few soloers over and over?

Its not clever to make the opposition feel its pointless or..... You have no opposition!

And no opposition = no PvP. I think even though many Creeps feel they have been the under dogs for ages and Freeps are evil EZmode OP lamers etc they still want some opposition to fight. Personally when I feel the enemy is too weak I try to do what I can to keep the fights going.

When the enemy is strong I will do everything I can to make it easier to win - whenever I can manage it! When the enemy is weak and I have a good force I just like to charge into keeps and get into messy fights, sometimes you actually win because the opposition dont have confidence to stand up but often you end up with a messy wipe or a stalemate - while still getting plenty of kills.

The result is that the enemy feel they can fight and stick around, whereas when you wipe people easily over and over again they tend to melt away.

I was not trying to start any drama because it was only one day and I have seen far worse on many occasions with either side on the receiving end. That has been the way it has been for a long time... but its nice to try to keep things decent for both sides when you can.

See you in the Moors!

I think the situation connal describes is recognizeable for both sides, it is simply very hard for a leader of a group/raid to estimate the number of soloers/smallgroups/leechers that are actually there. When you do take a chance and attack a keep/camp suddenly all the people from the other side seem to be there, making the numbers disadvantage overwhelming. You can however not always count on these groups to support you when you try to be offensive yourself.

This makes for stale situations since leaders of the raids on both sides might feel they do not have the numbers or even right group makeup to go on the offensive and when you do you find your raid alone it is usually easily overwhelmed by the other side with support of npcs. The only thing leaders can do is either ask or encourage people outside raid to tag along or (and this is harder) to try avoid them while engaging the other side as to create a more balanced fight numberswise. However the winners in the end are usually the people leeching off your raid, and yes it is leeching if you insist on being solo/small group but still only follow the bigger group around to leech their kills and get out before a wipe comes. The reality of ettenmoors is usually that when there are more then 30 people each side they all end up on the usual places like around TA anyway because that is simply where the most action is. If the groups on 1 side would work together more in those situations instead of going all for themselves there would actually be way more reward for everyone. An alternative would be to actually spread out over the map with your small groups and don't call out on ooc or rush to an ooc sighting but simply keep doing your own thing.

The reality is, it is simply too easy for certain dps classes soloing and leeching outside the raid to get lots of rewards this way for little effort. This is nothing new and we cannot stop it so better just to be mindfull of the people on your own side influencing 'the action' instead of only blaiming it on the other side. Can you really hold a raidleader responsible for not attacking a keep with 30 of the other side in it when he only has 3 fellowships but 12 more people leeching his raid that will not join?

Originally Posted by Felathurin

I think the situation connal describes is recognizeable for both sides, it is simply very hard for a leader of a group/raid to estimate the number of soloers/smallgroups/leechers that are actually there. When you do take a chance and attack a keep/camp suddenly all the people from the other side seem to be there, making the numbers disadvantage overwhelming. You can however not always count on these groups to support you when you try to be offensive yourself.

This makes for stale situations since leaders of the raids on both sides might feel they do not have the numbers or even right group makeup to go on the offensive and when you do you find your raid alone it is usually easily overwhelmed by the other side with support of npcs. The only thing leaders can do is either ask or encourage people outside raid to tag along or (and this is harder) to try avoid them while engaging the other side as to create a more balanced fight numberswise. However the winners in the end are usually the people leeching off your raid, and yes it is leeching if you insist on being solo/small group but still only follow the bigger group around to leech their kills and get out before a wipe comes. The reality of ettenmoors is usually that when there are more then 30 people each side they all end up on the usual places like around TA anyway because that is simply where the most action is. If the groups on 1 side would work together more in those situations instead of going all for themselves there would actually be way more reward for everyone. An alternative would be to actually spread out over the map with your small groups and don't call out on ooc or rush to an ooc sighting but simply keep doing your own thing.

The reality is, it is simply too easy for certain dps classes soloing and leeching outside the raid to get lots of rewards this way for little effort. This is nothing new and we cannot stop it so better just to be mindfull of the people on your own side influencing 'the action' instead of only blaiming it on the other side. Can you really hold a raidleader responsible for not attacking a keep with 30 of the other side in it when he only has 3 fellowships but 12 more people leeching his raid that will not join?

You seem to hate soloers, I don't aggre that they are the biggest problem, as soon as there are many noobs who are always grouped even when there are not players to fight against, creeps or freeps

Pah, freeps hacked my computer!!!! QQ !! So i have had to reinstall all , just waiting for the client to update again, going by the forums there does not seem to be to much drama, which is kind of dissapointing... sure ill arrange something though .

Originally Posted by ToastyGStar

Pah, freeps hacked my computer!!!! QQ !! So i have had to reinstall all , just waiting for the client to update again, going by the forums there does not seem to be to much drama, which is kind of dissapointing... sure ill arrange something though .

I will hack your pc again nubblet!!

Farming is not a thing about freeps or creeps, is about human.
The creep farming today is the freep who farmed yesterday.
Easymoders gonna easymode!

Gratz Cazikee, gratz Anoir and Grug come back soon!

Originally Posted by Gorgilh

You seem to hate soloers, I don't aggre that they are the biggest problem, as soon as there are many noobs who are always grouped even when there are not players to fight against, creeps or freeps

Problem with soloers is they tend to follow small groups too Caz,not all but most so you end up with a half raid or more running round,cant be helped,its the way things are

Sunday wasnt that bad a day from where our little group was,we farmed and got farmed,but it did seem a bit one-sided against the freep raid,and i can see the creep raids problem also,but again people do their thing they pay their money and there always will be soloers

Gratz to the latest rankers

Originally Posted by ConnallofLaurelin

Im not bothered about dieing over and over again, but some people are, and if you have NO chance to get any kills it does not encourage you to stay - as I said to people when I left all you can do is stay at the one shots or the top of Ost and try to get a few kills but I dont encourage people to stay and be farmed.

When after that there are no organised groups then what have your 50 creeps got to do? Spam emotes and farm quest stuff? kill a few soloers over and over?

Its not clever to make the opposition feel its pointless or..... You have no opposition!

And no opposition = no PvP. I think even though many Creeps feel they have been the under dogs for ages and Freeps are evil EZmode OP lamers etc they still want some opposition to fight. Personally when I feel the enemy is too weak I try to do what I can to keep the fights going.

Wow, it's funny to read a freep saying that when we've seen OC farming for MONTHS, and when any creep came to forums to cry, all freeps laughed at him.

Now it's the inverse situation, and like always, some QQ spreading over there.

PD1: Sorry for my bad English .

PD2: No personal offence Connall, u've lead some raids to suicidal charges into keeps to give creeps some infamy, we all know it, but it's just some of my thoughts after so much OC farming and gy camping, and lots of ezmoders freeps soloing for free renown (some guys just raised to rank 7,8,9 farming creeps after RoI) which now cries so hard in freep OOC and forums.

There was a hell of a lot of GY camping at TR last night. We started a pack and couldn't find a lot of action then ganked a few rezzers coming back to TR. We normally stay well back from GY just to give people a chance. Trouble was there were a lot of inexperienced freeps just blindly running back, and the opportunity was just too good to resist. I noticed we were way to near camping so said 'ah well they do it to us all the time'. Then someone replied 'yeah and look how much we hate it'. We logged, hope it got better later.....

Like a few said, we always get some farming, some people like to make things easy as possible, some people were silly running back from the GY alone etc and TR GY was camped a lot.

We saw plenty of Creep farming at OC and Lug GY, I try to avoid this by keeping my raids away from there when its a blue map or if creeps are weak and Lug is still Red.

like Fela says it isnt always easy to know how things are on the other side and to judge with a lot of soloers etc.

I know that as soon as I said I was leaving and advised Freeps to avoid leaving Ost or even the oneshots nearby for a while Freeps had the outnumbered buff as soon as I got back to GV and probably kept it a while after.

I like grouping as much or more than many, and Hunters are not the most survivable solo, and I would say I am mediocre as a solo player. But I think when the opponents are very outnumbered its important for leaders to try to avoid going into overkill, sometimes making or maintaining a full raid is just too much.

I do admit though that it is hard to stop people you know, in your kin and alliance etc joining your group. Once people know you have a group they ask for invites and its a social game so its nice to play with your mates in the same group.

I may be testing my luck here, but I think this has been one of the most intelligent and mature conversations about these things I have seen here for ages, hardly any silly posts, most people mentioning things that matter and in a civilised way!