Thread: Burning the world tree: Freeps and Creeps of Laurelin

Originally Posted by defrule

Loved the wipes at TA tyrant giving him 8 buffs. Never seen such incompetency from freeps.

What do you expect to achieve by mocking freeps?

HI, i was ment to post this earlyer but here it is now

Grimm/grug and others from last night late night action in TA, i just want to say thanks

That warg pack you had grimm was EPIC, seeing 15+ wargs hitting 1 target from stealth looks awesome even on freep side, then watchinging then bombersting away to leave combat then resealth, this reminds me of the good old days in ettnes, we anyone lagging behind the raid would get killed in few secs.

bring back the warg AND spider packs they were epic

the last few nights have had some quite good fights, both freep and creep sides,

fun fights today, thanks to the creeps for facing us all the night!

Originally Posted by Celebrimhir

fun fights today, thanks to the creeps for facing us all the night!

I haven't read the tree in a while, but reading this makes me feel good. Or bad for missing all of it.

+1 for Cubone

The low ranked defilers are more like Cubone I think.
High ranks have evolved

Hi can i join the conversation?

Originally Posted by Yilkiz

What do you expect to achieve by mocking freeps?

Precisely this. Just wanted to see who would respond.

Originally Posted by Yilkiz

What do you expect to achieve by mocking freeps?

Originally Posted by defrule

Precisely this. Just wanted to see who would respond.

So you were just trolling?
With your large KA signature, it looks like you are a representative of that tribe. Please do them a favour and remove the signature if you're going to continue with this activity.

Originally Posted by Yilkiz

So you were just trolling?
With your large KA signature, it looks like you are a representative of that tribe. Please do them a favour and remove the signature if you're going to continue with this activity.

Please do KA a favour and mind your own business. kthxbye.

Originally Posted by Yilkiz

So you were just trolling?
With your large KA signature, it looks like you are a representative of that tribe. Please do them a favour and remove the signature if you're going to continue with this activity.

No. You have to ask me nicely.

Originally Posted by Celebrimhir

fun fights today, thanks to the creeps for facing us all the night!

Ye, was fun. Invictus is a pretty small tribe, so I lead a DoME/Invictus raid which put us on a fairly even playing field with you guys, some nice, tactical fights. Good fighting from both sides, with a few resounding victories each.

Yep was alot of fun last night (apologies for dropping out unexpectedly, wireless adaptor went poof! but thanks anyway to the raid leaders)!

Only really been playing in the Moors for about 2 weeks now, but definitely becoming hooked !

The group fights yesterday were quite fun, although I don't like that you Hispa mincers focus on healing instead of DPS...

It's good to see new creeps actually enjoying their time in the Moors, it's always great with new blood we can use as fodder!

Heya guys,
You know I very rarely post here anymore. But i actually feel quite upset by the behaviour of certain people, was quite frankly horrific. And this for me is the tipping point.

I’m not sure if any of you know what happened tonight, but I got a raid of creeps up, started attacking the freeps.
The creeps were fighting freeps around the “bird”, both sides seem to have got kills, it seemed quite fair and people were I hope enjoying the fight. It moved about a bit. Sometimes to TA, sometimes back to “the bird”.

So freeps start backing off to the graveyard. And didn’t move for a bit, so I decided a bit of fun for the creeps would be to see if we could get TR before the freeps wipe us.

So I announced on OOC to charge TR and get the CG down, we all went, got the CG down and freeps arrived where we wiped them in the flag room, we took the keep… all very happy.

I suddenly start realising that freeps have actually disbanded the raid, and the leader of that raid was telling people to “not defend” from what I heard was to “spite me”. I took it in my stride if I am honest.

After we took the relics, we then proceeded to hand them in, and see as there was no freeps, thought you know, makes no sense to farm EC with full raid, so I just disbanded it.

Thinking nothing of it, and was hoping tomorrow freeps would stay longer.

So after I disband the freeps appear again, thought okay, bit odd but I can deal with it.

The freeps just proceeded to literally “ignore me”, wouldn’t let me attack anything as they out healed my war leaders DPS. Thought okay that’s a bit out of order, and it was a novelty to start of with. Then I began to think, what an insult?

To try and remove a “player” from participating in the game, because he took a keep? I personally just don’t understand it.
I always try to give as much fun to my raid as I possibly can you know, I very rarely camp anywhere with a raid, always try to get a good fight, whether we win or lose, nothing beats charging into a raid full of freeps to the tune of ride of the Valkyries. I always try to have fun, and you know it’s a bit of give and take.

All I did today was take a keep. You know I wasn’t being outrageous and at GV steps. Just tried to move the action on a bit. And the amount of real insulting personal abuse I got was obscene.

You know I want to have fun, and nothing makes me happier is when a greenring sends you a tell saying “why are you not raiding”, “your raids were so fun”. That for me says it all and is why I play the game.

I just cannot understand why because I do something as simple as flip a keep from red to blue it would cause so much uproar.
You know if you hate me that much ill file a server transfer, and I can play with people who wont be really quite nasty to me because I try and bring a bit of life to the moors.

I really cannot see what I am doing wrong? And if people could point that constructively it would be grateful. But you know, at the end of the day I play for fun, not for the real hate that comes with turning a few pixels from blue to red? I thought Laurelin was much better than this?

I can see how the likes of Hispanea, Per Entrare Devi Pagre, Patrat, Mornaro etc. etc. can feel, it must be horrible for them to log in and face a campaign of abuse from people

But hey you know im not that bothered, if you hate me that much ill transfer to another server, maybe rank up a lot faster heh. Just thought I’d throw it out there.

bad night , lets forget about everything its not worth it. and lets move along.new day tomorrow.

grow some thicker skin freeps, you are going to need it.
Another "create creep, harass grimm, delete creep" harasser reported to the GMs.

The few times i login to see if there is any action all i see is:
-A few freep solo'ers, a few creep solo'ers and a fellowship wargpack
-A freep fellowship, creep fellow and a wargpack
-Creeps camping GV

No wonder most people stay in PvE areas.

And Grugnug if i were you i would change server, not because i dislike you, but if you really are 100% interested in PvMP then this server is obviously not good. Way too little action and ofc it's not fun when people ignore you etc. Maybe try another server and if you like it move to it.

Originally Posted by Bertro

bad night , lets forget about everything its not worth it. and lets move along.new day tomorrow.

New day, really? The harassment of Grug for taking TR isn't something new. It was already the case when pre-christmas he was regularly leading. Yesterday, he decides to get back into it. Lo and behold, here we go again. Grimmjaw is taking the same kind of flak every single day. People actually switch or create alts to abuse him, be it on /tell or ooc. I'd have thought you of all people would know what it's like to be on the receiving end, and how easy it is as a leader to fan the flames and turn your personal frustration into a witch hunt.

And all that why? Because apparently people don't like the way they *play* a stupid *game*. Seriously people, take a cold shower if you get that wound up by what happens to pixels. Or get laid, i don't know.

But yeah, keep telling yourself it's a new day. In the meantime, i'll go for a shower myself having had to touch this thread.

@Grugnug

absit omen alterius non sit qui suus esse potest

nil desperandum hic manebimus optime ad victoriam! ad victoriam!

fidus Achates!
semper fidelis!

Originally Posted by ToastyGStar

But hey you know im not that bothered, if you hate me that much ill transfer to another server, maybe rank up a lot faster heh. Just thought I’d throw it out there.

Nah, It would be a mistake, since the first day you'll be missing your creep friends. Maybe our PvP here in Laurelin is not very good or active, but creep comunity is very nice and friendly.

Anyway Grug, you have the right to take any keep you want in the map. Don't let people to choose what is right or not. This is PvP, and the keeps are there to be taken. And Freeps complaining about this? They have daily raid to roll the map blue.

I've had lots of fun in your raids with all that music and jokes, so please don't move or stop leading. You have a name here in Laurelin, you have your enemies and your friends, so just ignore all those ezmoders and complainers and play or lead the way you like.

About the Grimjaw wargpacks, well I'm not the biggest fan of wargpacks, I'm more a kind of hater. Those awful creatures enjoy eating my rk in a couple of seconds, as fast that my healers can't even cast a heal. And they always jump on the lazy hunter who stays a bit far from the group. And yes, they camp people in TR fields when they come from the GY and enjoy killing soloers...
But now, due to the actual imbalance, I approve this activities, because there is nothing else they can do to kill some freeps.

So guys, haters gonna hate. Play your style, enjoy your game, and ignore the rest.

Appreciate leaders.
We would be nowhere without them.

@Grugnug. It would be a sad day if you were to leave the server, you've led many an awsome raid and if it wasn't for the likes of Palinkir, grimm, harmo and yourself then there most likely wouldn't be a creep raid most nights.

@the freep moaners. Get real, you lot will all quite happily turn the map blue and then go farm OC/grams, you're all just as guilty of doing it as the creeps are of farming EC, only difference is you whine/cry about it louder.

A lot of good players have switched servers because of the state of PvMp on this server and this constant whining/sniping etc isn't going to make it any better If you keep it up then all the raid leaders will eventually get hacked off and leave, then what will you do? go sit in the pony and RP perhaps? There is a lot of potential for some great action in the moors if only people would just get their heads around the fact that is is a game for everyone to enjoy and that "what's good for the goose isn't necessarly good for the gander". so grow-up, "strap on a pair", and stop whining.

There, I've said my piece, it's time for me to crawl back into my hole and hibernate till summer arrives

Grug,

I’m sorry that you had an unpleasant experience the other day. When you’re getting abuse, it helps to remember this: if you were to have four completely even, fair 1v1s against four different people, at least one of them would probably find some reason to abuse you, either for some perceived unfairness, or simply because they don’t know what to do with their frustration over dying.

If you wipe a raid of 20 people, that means you might get 5 flamers, and suddenly it can feel as though you’re taking a lot of flak from pretty much everyone, whereas in reality it’s just a vocal minority who are always going to take a loss badly.

The ‘exclusion by over-healing’ thing you experienced later sounds particularly weak to me, but again, if it was a raid doing it, it was probably only a few people advocating it, and the rest just going along/doing what they’re told. That doesn’t make it any less lame, but it does mean you’re probably getting less real hate than it seems.

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To play freep’s advocate: I was in your raid early on when we fought them near to tr gy. Sometimes this makes for a great fight, where the under-strength side can get continual reinforcements from the gy and, though they suffer lots of casualties, will probably eventually wipe the more powerful side when they run out of power.

For whatever reason, the freeps were really struggling though: despite the gy and what seemed like reasonable numbers, they still weren’t getting many kills. I know I took some time out to cj Grazak when he died, without it getting any of our creeps killed.

I left the raid to eat when we pulled back from the gy, so wasn’t there when you took tr. However, as the fight had been quite one-sided, I can see why some of the freeps were dismayed when you deprived them of the gy, which had been their only support in getting a few kills.

You might have thought you were giving them more of a chance by letting them try to catch you at tr with npcs on you (which is probably true), but, once it had flipped, they were probably fairly aggrieved to not have the gy.

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I certainly hope you don’t decide to transfer. I for one would be gutted to never again take part in a creep-catwalk-fashion-show where Baggy makes you play Wannabe so I can strut my stuff.

Remember the rule of complaint: for every person who flames and rants, there are many more who are either in support of you or were not bothered by your actions enough to complain, but you never get to hear these opinions, just the dissatisfied ones.

Don’t let a vocal minority discourage you, if you feel that what you are doing is not wrong. On the other hand, if you have cause to doubt some of your actions in retrospect, never be afraid to change things up.

tl;dr version – what Ak said.

I’d get off my high horse now, but I think the drop might kill me.

don't take seriously the complainers and the whiners Grug, they have been there all the time, just enjoy your game style, if you feel better playing in raid and you have the balls to form and lead one, do it.

what freeps must do when there is a raid is form another and fight, if the map is red and you want a keep try to ninja it, with a full raid of freeps a tyrant get down in seconds.

while in old times we got excesive raids lately we are lacking of a battle centered in keeps.

just an example of how this complainers work, on saturday i went to the moors with a kinnie group(around 9) we were with outnumbered buff, to do something of pvp i opened our group and started to ask for some help in ooc and some of this peeps started to flame me in the public channel but i don't care about them, i just try to get a good and fun session to the people i am leading.

Originally Posted by Turukano

Appreciate leaders.
We would be nowhere without them.

Hear hear... I know I am a newbie to the moors, but working in a raid helps me to expand my knowledge and skills each time I join, so tophat to what you do and as the others say, the keeps are ours for the taking and for the freeps to take back as and when each desires.

Having read the above I'm a bit confused (not suprising to most people who know me I'm easily confused) at least twice last week went I come on the moors the map was blue and a freep raid siting outside grams. Both times (one with a tribe group we just manouvered to TR and took that. pretty soon Freep raid retook TR and we took lug no problem. Niether side as a god giving right to hold any particular keep. So why get upset. Grug don't get upset next time just form another raid and chase them from the moors. If they want to play they will need to get organised and fight back if they don't prehaps we should all move severs. and they can keep the map a pretty blue all the time and PVE to there hearts delight.

However as Fish says this is just a minority and the vast marjority of freeps enjoy the battle as much as we do. so onwards and upwards to-night I kill freeps and laugh (or freeps kill me and I still laugh)

I was in Grugs Raid as Nazgum, was fun. we wiped they wiped.

Grug your a top leader I remember you from way back before free to play.

glad to come back after 3 years and see familier faces

Cheers

Danny

Originally Posted by dafidil

However as Fish says this is just a minority and the vast marjority of freeps enjoy the battle as much as we do. so onwards and upwards to-night I kill freeps and laugh (or freeps kill me and I still laugh)

^^This + Playing dead again, are you Daf?
The Keeps are there to be taken, 'nuff said.

Yeah, don't sweat it Grug. Freeps played chicken and logged. Pity it wasn't a day when the class freep leaders were on or it would've been quality.

Hmm, dunno where all this has come from, thought it was great over the weekend, had loads of nice fights, hit R7 and everyone seemed to be having a great time, wish some people could remember that this is a GAME, if your'e not enjoying yourself then log off and have some time-out....simples.

Gil/Tom/Arp

Shield Brothers

Originally Posted by Gutterat

Yeah, don't sweat it Grug. Freeps played chicken and logged. Pity it wasn't a day when the class freep leaders were on or it would've been quality.

Come on creeps... you can QQ better than this...

And yes - I am one of those supporting the class freep leaders!

Originally Posted by Joylil

Come on creeps... you can QQ better than this...

And yes - I am one of those supporting the class freep leaders!

Yeah we could, but I really don't see that much to moan about now. Just the usual GY/OC/EC camping, hugging TR, spies and saddos pulling npcs or resetting the CGs. .

Actually I think the only thing we really have to worry about now with OP freeps is a mini raid....

Originally Posted by Gutterat

Yeah we could, but I really don't see that much to moan about now. Just the usual GY/OC/EC camping, hugging TR, spies and saddos pulling npcs or resetting the CGs. .

Actually I think the only thing we really have to worry about now with OP freeps is a mini raid....

Not having a go at you, because it sounds like you have the right idea, but I think a few people have forgotten about a classic Ettenmoors situation.

Im sure you see some bad things on Creep side, we also see the same things on Freep side, but theres too many people who cant see it from the other point of view.

There are spies, huggers and campers on both sides but there is no point letting them ruin your experience - I vote for less dramas and more fun and fights in the moors.

Ive had some good times fighting with raids, small group and solo lately, even better when the fights have been away from the usual boring places.

Thanks to all the Freeps and Creeps!

You're toast :

http://www.lotro.com/gameinfo/devdia...warg-revisions

I agree connal, fighting in different or unusal parts of the map is always fun and exciting, that said i cant see it happening. The last few weeks have been so discoraging, constantly being forced to fight freeps with npcs or watching a mass of freeps turn tail and run at the first sign of a fight.

Im starting to feel the same as grug at the min...

I have always been of the opinion freeps have it too easy for their own good.
No backbone formed by years of being the underdog, fighting tooth and nail, scratching out a living getting those few points of infamy.

I see freeps making 20k a day running around solo, and then complaining the same day about a pack that ganked them 3 times.

That is where the freep hate comes from, they have every advantage, every edge, everything in their favour yet when it comes down to it they have no warriors spirit.

every creep knows it, and every freep leader knows it too.

Come on be honest Bert, how much gold would you give for a raid that actually listened to you?
To win a fight by sheer tactical brilliance and your own leadership skills, and not just because your raid brute forced their way to victory. How satisfying can it be too know your raid would have done just as well had you gone afk in the middle of the fight?
I wouldn't lead packs if I didn't think I was bringing something extra to the table, nor would any other leader.

Who even remembers that one time a year ago when they zerged the map blue(or red) against absolutely no opposition?

Now who remembers that one fight ages ago that lasted for an hour, where you had to pull out all the stops, were you came to the brink of defeat but were able to pull it out anyway.

Remember how much infamy/renown you made? remember who won? I don't.
I just remember it was epic fun and that it wouldn't have happened if both sides hadn't taken a risk.

Start taking some real risks freeps, because if the changes to creeps bring even a shred of balance to the moors in another week or two you will be fighting a whole different animal.

And I can assure you one thing, there will be no mercy from creep side, if you don't fight for it, that map will be red for the rest of time.

Whoever was leading the attacks on LC and TR earlier tonight thanks for that. I think all the creeps present enjoyed that a lot

Originally Posted by Felathurin

Whoever was leading the attacks on LC and TR earlier tonight thanks for that. I think all the creeps present enjoyed that a lot

Radix Lecti for the win!
The Leader you ask...? That will remain a secret...

Ooooooooooooooooooh I really enjoy playing in the moors lately..
Felixuko scored a devastating hit with Remorseless Strike on Zagy for 7,212 Beleriand damage to Morale.

Originally Posted by Thoronthor

I have always been of the opinion freeps have it too easy for their own good.
No backbone formed by years of being the underdog, fighting tooth and nail, scratching out a living getting those few points of infamy.

I see freeps making 20k a day running around solo, and then complaining the same day about a pack that ganked them 3 times.

That is where the freep hate comes from, they have every advantage, every edge, everything in their favour yet when it comes down to it they have no warriors spirit.

Start taking some real risks freeps, because if the changes to creeps bring even a shred of balance to the moors in another week or two you will be fighting a whole different animal.

And I can assure you one thing, there will be no mercy from creep side, if you don't fight for it, that map will be red for the rest of time.

All the confrontational Rhetoric does not really get anybody anywhere.

And I would respectfully suggest that you have a tendency to see the world through Creep tinted glasses...

I used to think exactly the same as you do - except it was about Creeps!

The same things occur even now when Freeps are admittedly stronger than creeps - it has not always been the case - what has changed is that I allow myself to have some perspective, I have played both sides - not really at the moment but after MoM I spent a long while Creeping as I found hunter too OP - far more than now IMHO and I allow myself to be open minded, I have seen how it goes and guess what sometimes things happen for a reason, and not always the sinister one you may imagine.

Here is one thing to think about for example...

Myself and Bertromir are probably two of the main raid leaders on Freep side right now, but I can tell you that both of us try to keep raid numbers small until we have faced some SERIOUS opposition - on Tuesday at tea time I had 2 successive wipes attacking TR - we couldve rolled in with another 6 + Freeps on both occasions, instead holding our numbers down until we saw some sort of organised resistance - after the second fail I came back with about 12 and some soloers and Berts fellow downstairs at the gate - the 20 - 30 Creeps who had been there last time failed to show in numbers so the 3rd attack was a fairly easy fight.

Ironically, when fighting with small groups, I often find that we cannot stand up to even fairly even numbers of creeps because we dont have healers... Sound Familiar!?!

The problem used to be that Mincers didnt like getting ganked in the moors - now they just dont like healing - and especially in group... There are more Mincers in the moors than ever but 90% of them would rather solo farm renown at EC/OC and bridges than join a fellow or raid and heal.

If its even then im not bothered, but I dont turn up to the moors to get ganked repeatedly by squads of BAs with healers, Wargpacks or even Wargs grouped with a Warleader - when im solo or in a small fellow.

All of which Ive had lately, and good luck to them! But if you struggle to get one healer the only answer is to keep stacking the DPS until you have enough killing power to win or at least hold your own.

By the way Grimjaw Im sure you have changed to some sort of bulletproof warg build - you were taking DPS from 3 - 4 Freeps and surviving without having to run the other day - are you really that badly off?

By the way Palinkir, Grugnug, Grimmjaw, anyone else who is interested in leading on Creep and Freep side - I will be speaking to you soon to try to help get more action going, and I will speak to anyone who doesnt promote lame playstyle or take advantage of this attempt to make things happen to score easy infamy or renown...

We can spend our lives moaning about whats wrong or try to make something that is more right happen instead!

Wanna know first QQ that make aswell etteen #### at the moment is very easy:

1st : people on freeps side switching to creep asking to their friend to not track them or wathever so they can kil the others .
2nd : oh those are friend of mine we leave them alone we do not fight them and if we do by mitake oh damm i have to log creep to say sorry or Vice versus/

3rd : who log on creep has to be fought, that it by freep and Vice versus.


People around QQ about soo many things for nothing , you go in etten fight kill get killed soo on.

Others QQ about me coming in glory in etten and too hard to be killed but if i skill on dps last time i will not say name i did a 9 k crit on rank 7-9 warg and he send ticket saying that i cheated .

Soo bla bla bla that all what most freeps and creep do. Just go there fight and fight and fight or just go out of etten and QQ in real life about your bad mood.