Thread: Hope Token Cooldown Broken or WAI?

If this is WAI, please revert the moors to having t5 Ancient Silver instead of t6 Khazad-copper.

Originally Posted by Lothran

I bug reported it as well, and will continue to encourage everyone else to do so. Even if it WAS an intentional change, hoping enough outcry will push it back.

We shall see. I also would love to hear an official response.

It only takes ONE bug report for QA to pass it on to a developer to fix, if it's really a bug. Bugging things over and over and encouraging others to do the same will only get you negative attention.

Chances are, this is not an intended change. It's not one that makes any sense and they don't make a habit of just slipping changes like this in with no patch note. It could be that something got messed up when they were changing all of the stack sizes.

Originally Posted by Ayrolen

It only takes ONE bug report for QA to pass it on to a developer to fix, if it's really a bug.

A bit of naiveté? Technically correct, but utterly missing the human dimension, I think. There are bugs, and then there are bugs that the player base REALLY CARE about and are clearly irritated by. Which do you think get more prompt attention? Keep in mind, there are bugs in this game that do very little real harm and so have existed without correction for years....

I would encourage any who encounter this issue to report it as a bug.

Originally Posted by Ayrolen

It only takes ONE bug report for QA to pass it on to a developer to fix, if it's really a bug. Bugging things over and over and encouraging others to do the same will only get you negative attention.

Chances are, this is not an intended change. It's not one that makes any sense and they don't make a habit of just slipping changes like this in with no patch note. It could be that something got messed up when they were changing all of the stack sizes.

Hmmm, you don't believe in the squeaky wheel theory at all? Really? I'd guess given bugs of nominally equal severity and game impact the one more people are hitting (and filing bugs on is somewhat of a proxy for that) would get higher priority myself.

I'd guess this is an accident as well, mind you. If it came at the same time as a new store exclusive hope token with an independent cooldown I'd think differently, but as it is doesn't make lots of sense to make the "best" tokens potentially the worst. As it is, 40 minute tokens were a vast overkill and almost all of us would rather have the crit result be 2 30 minute tokens (or 2 15 minute ones, for that recipe).

just make hope last through defeat and this [should] become moot. like destiny hope (was?).

has destiny hope been fixed? does it still wipe on defeat?

Originally Posted by SapienChavez

just make hope last through defeat and this [should] become moot. like destiny hope (was?).

has destiny hope been fixed? does it still wipe on defeat?

Destiny hope stays after defeat. Only Tharlauch can wipe DP hope now. He really shouldn't be doing that. Bad Balrog. It would be nice if the hope chain was be set back to +3 hope too.

Hey guys, apparently this was a stealth nerf. In fact, it was so stealthy no one here had any part in it. In other words, this is a bug. It was not an intentional change.

We've added it to the list for the next patch.

ninja bug.

Sapience just posted that it is a bug in another forum.

http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.p...80#post5405780

Originally Posted by Vysion34

Sapience just posted that it is a bug in another forum.

http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.p...80#post5405780

*waves hand*

This is not the thread you are looking for.

i would think this would be somethign that would be needed in a hotfix, it is soo annoying when trying to do a raid and you have people die and need to repop tokens

Yah, please consider including in the next anything (maintenance, hotfix, whatever), as soon as the solution can be found and applied. Hopefully much faster than the next patch.

And thanks very much for confirming it's a bug, not a stealth change.

Originally Posted by quikgrim

i would think this would be somethign that would be needed in a hotfix, it is soo annoying when trying to do a raid and you have people die and need to repop tokens

Agreed! I just got done restocking my +5 40 min tokens for raid... I don't want to have to go and get the 15 min ones just cause of this bug. Very inconvenient for raiders!

Originally Posted by Sapience

Hey guys, apparently this was a stealth nerf. In fact, it was so stealthy no one here had any part in it. In other words, this is a bug. It was not an intentional change.

We've added it to the list for the next patch.

Thank you for communicating this information to us! I'll go back to making crit tokens again

Originally Posted by Sapience

Hey guys, apparently this was a stealth nerf. In fact, it was so stealthy no one here had any part in it. In other words, this is a bug. It was not an intentional change.

We've added it to the list for the next patch.

Apparently, either a) it wasn't that much of a bug at all or b) corporate memory has been failing at Turbine.

Indeed Hope Tokens used to have a fairly straightforward system: the better they were, the longer they lasted; they all shared a flat CD of 15 mins.

Now, after June 20 patch, we have a hodgepodge system of different durations and CDs. For instance, Luminous Tokens (T6 crit) still last for 40 mins and now have a CD of 15 mins, while Sparkling Tokens (T6, non-crit) still last for 30 mins and still have the (bugged?) 30 mins CD.

Is this now WAI (and as such a nerf of Hope Tokens) or is this a rather resilient bug?

Originally Posted by Laokong

Indeed Hope Tokens used to have a fairly straightforward system: the better they were, the longer they lasted; they all shared a flat CD of 5 mins.?

It was a 15 minute cool down timer not five minutes.

As far as the fix, Turbine has to manually change each item. Obviously the item developer got a bug report - Change the cool down on Luminous Token from 40 minutes to 15 minutes. That is what got done.

Common enough issue with bug reporting systems. We send tons of customer complaints to QA. QA sorts through all of them, confirms that Luminous Tokens are messed up. Sends a Luminous Token bug report to development. Closes all the other customer complaints via the specific bug report.

Now we will have to bug it again. Make sure to state that it is partially fixed. Otherwise, we will likely to see a QA person close it because it is fixed under the assumption we did not spend the time keeping the behavior after the Hotfix.

You're probably right Yula that this is indeed what happened and that we'll need to bug it again...
However, patch notes indicated that all hope CDs were to be fixed. Oh well...

Pretty sure the Tier 5 tokens were a 15 minute cool downm with 15 or 30 minute durations and the Tier 6 tokens were a 5 minute cool down, with a 30 or 40 minute duration. The short cool down was the main reason to bother with gathering K.Copper over just crafting T5 tokens with easy to acquire Ancient Silver.

The critical success tier5 tokens are still broken. Sparkling is their name I believe.