As we all know, Imladris moors has gone through some changes in its time leaving both creeps and freeps with advantages and disadvantages in numbers, rank, and skill. In my opinion it has been overall fairly balanced. Just when you think one side is dominating, the others return for a tough fight and take back the moors. This is somewhat unique to Imladris due to its age and the ambitious players there. At one point we had many rerolls to Imladris just for the pvp scene. Unfortunately, most of those people quit when they learned how our creeps play.
I for one, still find it humorous to watch a group run away from half their numbers in a pvp zone, but this is not how to play the game. You have to ask yourself, 'Why am I here?' Why would you go through all the trouble to pretend to be a pvper? Why would you waste everyone's time by running away and not pvping with the obvious advantage? It's not just cowardly, it's just plain dumb. These 'new' creeps (I know who you are) we fought last night.... pitiful. You were zerging against way less numbers and still ran to grams one-shotters with your BAs. We had a good laugh and logged out, since it was obvious you didnt want to pvp. But then i wondered, Why are you here? Why pretend to pvp? DP is easy to get on freeps, so I dont wana hear that garbage. If you come to the moors, be ready to PvP. If you are a crybaby that never wants to die, stay out, it's not for you. A lot of points were missed on both sides last night, because 12+ creeps wanted to go QQ in grams. I lost hours of my life I will never get back with nothing to show for it. It's obvious why people go elsewhere. L2PVP
"And high in the north as a challenge to Melkor she set the crown of seven mighty stars to swing, Valacirca, the Sickle of the Valar and sign of doom."
You misunderstand. The only thing wrong with our moors is the attitude of the players. Fighting in a pvp battle for fun until someone gets points is the entire purpose of being out there. A lot of people have sensitive egos and run to pout in the oneshotters if they die once or twice. Get smart, and use strategy. Pretend your rating doesn't mean anything... oh wait... it really doesn't.
"And high in the north as a challenge to Melkor she set the crown of seven mighty stars to swing, Valacirca, the Sickle of the Valar and sign of doom."
Good point Aerg... My rating got down under 800 and I was still out there pressing where I could and hoping for a kill or 2...here's the kicker, I AM A SUPPORT CLASS. So, I just want us to have a good time and get a better name for ourselves on this server. I love having some heals to press and kill, but it's not mandatory...I'll come and shoot you in the face anyway, and get my rearend blown up for my trouble. Semper Fi...
Biggest problem I see with this server is that people fail to comprehend the difference between PvP and PvE. So many times I've come out and the mentality is to take the map. It's not a freaking PvE zone. If you take the map the losing side leaves plain and simple. Then you're left with an empty zone and nothing to do.
Just the other night we were having a good back and forth at TA. Both sides were getting kills. The fight was not stagnant, it was moving from STAB-EC to to lawn to west door and over to WTAB and then shifting back again. Then what happens? The Freeps decide that actually dying once in a while was not fun and tried to drop pull Lugz. Creeps barely got there in time to stop it and then what do they think is a great idea? They go and drop pull TR in retribution. Seriously that ish is just lame. I can see doing a drop pull to take a rez when you don't have one, but drop pulling to take both rezes is pure fail. If you can't take the other rez by skill and coordination when there's good fights going on, then you don't deserve to have it.
Another problem I see is the raid baby zerg mentality on both sides. The belief that it is impossible to do anything unless you have the other side out manned or out gunned. Before I took a couple month break from Imladris, we'd actually have some good 1v1's up on candy mountain and there was fun times for all. Since I've come back I can count one hand the amount of players I've seen actually go out and try anything for themselves. It's just pathetic. Standing in a mass of people with twice the numbers does not make you a good PvPer, it makes you a rank farmer. On the two other servers I've played on when one side has the other out manned, and it looks like they are going to log and call it a night, usually they will break off and do 1v1 2v2 3v3 and actually have fun PvPing rather than making the other side rage quit.
What happens on Imladris shows that neither side respects the other. People aren't looking at their opponents as fellow PvPers and players but rather are seeing point nodes to be farmed. I encourage everyone to go look at some of the best PvP servers forums (Brandywine, Elendilmir, Meneldor, Landroval, Riddermark) yes they all have QQ threads but you know what else they all have in common? They all have "good 1v1" threads and shout out threads made by players of the opposing faction. Those servers have good PvP because they understand the symbiotic relationship that is the 'moors. Without an opposing faction its just an empty zone. Sure you may get mad at someone because they killed you or got away or whatever, but without that other player what would you have but an empty zone. My point is that people need to view the other side as people and treat them as such.
And Pete's sake its PvP, you will die. Get over it.
Friday night I saw 10 Freeps zerg rushing Orc Camp over and over after one solo greenie BA. They killed him about 10 times in a row. 1v10 on a noob creep who probably hasn't figured out his 4-5 skills he has yet and who has no maps to get out of that kind of situation. This is the kind of behavior I'm talking about. This is a prime example of not respecting that person as a player and viewing him as a renoun node to be farmed. Do you really think after getting farmed like that that this player would want to stay on this server?
And FYI Freeps run all the time also from lesser numbers. In fact while running around to get my starter map I had 3 Freeps run from a solo rank 0 reaver, one of whom was rank 6 and another was rank 5. Seriously a rank 0 reaver. I have 5 buttons I can press and 1 of them I can't press till the target is at 1/2 health. If thats not cowardice then I don't know what is.
"And high in the north as a challenge to Melkor she set the crown of seven mighty stars to swing, Valacirca, the Sickle of the Valar and sign of doom."
Ya, you're also very silly :P i'm just not holding it against you atm. Hey, ya know you could always go train these new guys a thing or two.... I remember when 'warg night' was actually a bad thing for freeps. What happened to that transformers tribe? Or are we playing Dr. Seuss now?
"And high in the north as a challenge to Melkor she set the crown of seven mighty stars to swing, Valacirca, the Sickle of the Valar and sign of doom."
Ya, you're also very silly :P i'm just not holding it against you atm. Hey, ya know you could always go train these new guys a thing or two.... I remember when 'warg night' was actually a bad thing for freeps. What happened to that transformers tribe? Or are we playing Dr. Seuss now?
We all left to go to Rift. Then most of them stayed. Me and a few others came back but we're on freep now. But Decepticons is no more. So you'll be seeing me on Surprise.
These new creeps are TERRIBLE. You can't teach someone skill.
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I am Togepi, you'll learn to hate me.
As a relative newcomer to PvMP having seen thread after thread after thread of this type of complaining what I think is needed is for those players who have issues with the tactics and play style of their opponents to spend more time Creepside showing others how it should be done (at least in their opinion).
If they don't have the time or inclination to do that then I guess they have to take what they get.............
If others new to Creepside play have the same experience as I have had so far then I would be surprised if anyone bothered playing Creeps except as a casual change of pace. Physical numbers are not what balance the sides it is the level and skills (By which I mean Toon game skills not player skill) of the sides that determines that.
If you want there to be Creeps for you to kill then it has to be fun for them to play as well and so far the experience as a newcomer has not been overly enjoyable.
From what I have seen so far Creeps need to PvE
They cant purchase much, if anything, with Gold, they dont get fancy armor or weapons
They need Spirit Stones, Destiny points etc for corruptions, skills, potions, etc
They dont get horses so have to finish PvE quests to get maps so they can move around the map a little faster
Yes they need Infamy to level but without the barter items needed to obtain the additional skills, corruptions, Potions etc Leveling doesn't seem to help much.
Creeps are not there just to feed Freeps, it has to be fun for them as well. Keep complaining, name calling, zerging, and ganking and no one will want to be on creepside and the moors will end up just Freep PvE because no one will want the hassle and grief that comes with being a Creep and all you will have to farm for renown will be greenies who haven't worked out what a thankless task being a Creep is.
In my opinion there needs to be some respect.
If you have 10 freeps and you see 1 or 2 creeps that arnt hostile and just doing their map quests just leave them alone. It's not even funny doing a zerg rush.
But also on the other hand every one needs to stop being such cowards. it's PVP you're going to die get over it.
The other day all the creeps were being losers because they were outnumbered and went and hid in DoF. Myself on the other hand went out and attacked the group of 10+ freeps I had no intention of winning I was just stiring up trouble and having fun. Even took down and odd straggler. I was laughing every time I pounced and attacked numerous people in their raid. I died, so what.
Also good job to those few other creeps that arn't afraid to die. It was even more fun we we managed a small group of few.
Think of it this way some days Freeps are going to have more people and other days Creeps are going to have more people this is no excuse not to fight so stop being sad over dying and be happy that you managed to take down one or two guys. Or even that you caused some trouble.
Also if you see creeps walking up to you in down time dont zerg them because they most probably are willing to 1v1 (think about it you could get more reknown this way making it fun for both sides)
Creeps are not there just to feed Freeps, it has to be fun for them as well. Keep complaining, name calling, zerging, and ganking and no one will want to be on creepside
Let me just stop you right there.
1. Your post is hypocritical. You say "keep complaining" sarcastically while complaining yourself.
2. Hi, you're in a PvMP zone; someone is going to die. Please don't complain or QQ about ganking, it makes you look incredibly new and no one really cares.
3. There are dedicated creeps. Most of the time they are people who play freep on a different server or people who have 65s here who simply enjoy the class mechanics on the other side. Or they don't want to cause drama (Props to Valacirca for not allowing their kin members to have creeps to avoid unnecessary drama).
4. While LotRO may be a PvE based game, it wasn't centered around PvE specifically for Monster Play. Maybe you should go play Rift. Or another game that might fit the characteristics you are looking for in an MMO, because it doesn't seem LotRO is for you.
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Exhibit A:
In my opinion there needs to be some respect.
If you have 10 freeps and you see 1 or 2 creeps that arnt hostile and just doing their map quests just leave them alone. It's not even funny doing a zerg rush.
But also on the other hand every one needs to stop being such cowards. it's PVP you're going to die get over it.
Exhibit B:
Also if you see creeps walking up to you in down time dont zerg them because they most probably are willing to 1v1 (think about it you could get more reknown this way making it fun for both sides)
Exhibit A: Ettenmoors isn't based on PvE. The maps are a privilege. <Other witty things about it being a PvMP zone and people dying while PvEing>. It may not be fun, but it's going to happen.
Exhibit B: You can generally tell when a creep wants to chill. They either don't attack back or stand completely still. 1v1s are rigged ways for horrible players to get free renown. Don't get me wrong, I've done them myself; but I really only 1v1 friends to have a good laugh. Other than that, you should really just be in the moors killing people with 0 mercy or spam emoting each other for no reason until one person who doesn't know what they are doing or what is going on causes unnecessary drama killing random people causing everyone to QQ; someone will make a forum post; etc etc.
Summary: It's a PvMP zone designed for Free Peoples to kill Monster Players and vice versa. Stop trying to make it something else you can find in another MMO.
This is me, continuing not to care.
I am Togepi, you'll learn to hate me.
Last night the creeps waited in the oneshotters until they had a metric asston online, and they knew it would be anything but 'fun fights' Whatever you guys say in these threads can hardly be taken seriously. Zerg or hide is all you know. Being too afraid to fight without 20+ people means you have NO business in the moors or anything resembling a pvp zone. QQ more about us wiping the map so you can be more of a hypocrit. We think the average age is <10 yrs old on creep side, because only small children would act that way. You guys had rather pve than pvp, admit it. Maybe you should just go play hello kitty online or care bears or something where you pvp with hearts and rainbows.
"And high in the north as a challenge to Melkor she set the crown of seven mighty stars to swing, Valacirca, the Sickle of the Valar and sign of doom."
Alright Aerg I would like to ask a question and make a statement about last night.
Last night Andru was in glff crying because creeps wouldn't leave grams. When I asked him how many they had he said eight, and then I asked how many you guys had and he said 12. So they waited till more came online smart plan when they are mostly rank 5 and below and all are new (most have gotten to rank 5 within a week) so they are still learning how this works.
You say that they zerged you, but I want to ask is how rushing TA is any different than us freep rushing TA like we used to or rushing OC like we still do? Think about it, they only were doing what we have done to them many many times in the past.
There was more than one group out last night. The creeps on this server do not work together (this is in your advantage, to a point) Black lotus stick together the newbies stick together and another tribe was all together. There are no real true leaders out there and very few creeps do anything more than type all the time. you guys should be winning a lot of the time...
As for PvE.... yes of course there is some, as stated previously most of these players are a week old. They need DP for their rank and they really need their maps to get to wherever you may be faster.... Not like they can horse up and get there quickly, half of a creeps life is spent running.
No one complained the other day about camping the creeps at the one shotters and making a #### ton on reknown even though it couldn't have be much fun for them, but the minute the creeps are winning somehow people wanna complain... I feel like both sides would like nothing more than the opposition to lie down and take it so they can get their reknown/infamy without a challenge and without the possibility of a loss intact, and to me that is ridiculous and boring. So the creeps had a good night, so what? At least they actually went into your npcs and were willing to die for it if they got even a kill off.
What happened last night the freeps have done from the start of the server... If people don't like it then they can map out or point a finger at those who did it to begin with and Aerg you were one of us who did... Just saying ~Ella
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Reason: typing errors >.<
Well, I had fun last night. For a while, the TA fight felt like the PvP version of the siege of Gondamon. People kept shouting creeps on east side! creeps on west side! south side etc... It was a challenge for sure. We were pretty heavily outnumbered but we still tried to bring the fight. My only complaint was that after all the other freeps left and I tried to bring you guys a pie of peace inside TA, I got pounced
Alright Aerg I would like to ask a question and make a statement about last night.
You say that they zerged you, but I want to ask is how rushing TA is any different than us freep rushing TA like we used to or rushing OC like we still do? Think about it, they only were doing what we have done to them many many times in the past.
you guys should be winning a lot of the time...
hey need DP for their rank and they really need their maps to get to wherever you may be faster.... Not like they can horse up and get there quickly, half of a creeps life is spent running.
I feel like both sides would like nothing more than the opposition to lie down and take it so they can get their reknown/infamy without a challenge
What happened last night the freeps have done from the start of the server... If people don't like it then they can map out or point a finger at those who did it to begin with and Aerg you were one of us who did... Just saying ~Ella
This just proves to me how distorted peoples' views get depending on what side they are playing at the moment. We had 8 people. You had more than we could count. It would have been different if there were any kind of pvp moment the ENTIRE night. No. It was hide in oneshotters or zerg over the map with 20+ people. Freeps tried to open field you for a long time LOL. Were we in oneshotters at any point in the night? No.
I'm not complaining because of points, deaths, or anything childish that usualy gets strewn around here. I'm complaining because the philosophy is wrong. Get some fairly even numbers, and get OUT of the npcs. It's waaaay more fun and waaaay more points for everyone. There's a massive difference between a few freeps running through TA on a raid of creeps, and TWO raids of creeps camping a few freeps in TA. This is obvious. Why would you make a correlation? Also, I'm supposed to feel sorry for creeps when they can map across the moors and drop pull something in <1min?
We've been splitting the freep raid when creeps get outnumbered badly. Usualy I just leave the moors if it's a freep zerg, which is why my rank has been coming slower. To me, others having a good fight is more important than me even getting to pvp let alone ranking. And, nothing personal, but I honestly feel unbiased reinforcing my previous statement. The creeps last night either hid or zerged, but hey thanks for coming out anyways...
"And high in the north as a challenge to Melkor she set the crown of seven mighty stars to swing, Valacirca, the Sickle of the Valar and sign of doom."
This just proves to me how distorted peoples' views get depending on what side they are playing at the moment.
I play both sides I went out to creep side because you all had more people at that point.
Originally Posted by WoodyD
You had more than we could count. It would have been different if there were any kind of pvp moment the ENTIRE night. No. It was hide in oneshotters or zerg over the map with 20+ people.
Let see I was in a group of seven, there was another group of three that makes ten and another group of six, so 16... <--- less than 20 and most rank 5 or less so most will less than 10 skills max
Originally Posted by WoodyD
Freeps tried to open field you for a long time LOL. Were we in oneshotters at any point in the night? No.
I was talking about a different day to prove a point don't mess with my facts as if I were making things up Aerg.
Originally Posted by WoodyD
I'm not complaining because of points, deaths, or anything childish that usualy gets strewn around here. I'm complaining because the philosophy is wrong. Get some fairly even numbers, and get OUT of the npcs. It's waaaay more fun and waaaay more points for everyone.
Your Wrong here Aerg sorry, its much less points for creeps they die so fast and can't get thru your dps at all. Our only saving grace last night was that people turned and ran thinking that npcs would save them. The minute freeps stand and fight they creeps are all dead in seconds.
Originally Posted by WoodyD
There's a massive difference between a few freeps running through TA on a raid of creeps, and TWO raids of creeps camping a few freeps in TA. This is obvious. Why would you make a correlation? Also, I'm supposed to feel sorry for creeps when they can map across the moors and drop pull something in <1min?
NO, not sorry, maybe understand a bit, take off your rose colored glasses and see this Only can happen if they can figure out how to work together and um hello freeps can drop pull just as fast.
Originally Posted by WoodyD
The creeps last night either hid or zerged, but hey thanks for coming out anyways...
You bet, and uh next time you zerg a group and you will please start counting... You zerged creeps in TA and OC with Ammit and I all the time you even used to laugh cuz we were killing them in THEIR npcs... We used to do it all the time... THIS WAS NO DIFFERENT... had people stood their ground and stopped trying to get us to pull more npcs you probably would have lived... learn to laugh again Aerg.... >.<
And Just to be clear I am not trying to start a rift between you and me or between our kins but you have the biggest freep population on this server and someone has to help oppose you or you are gonna get awful bored... but you have run with us and you know how we fight... Use it as an advantage and have fun with us
I don't understand why people spend money and play this game and not fight. Whether I die or live I still laugh about it. I wish I could play at peak time.
How do you expect to get better if you don't fight in any circumstance
Sigh.... Funny thing, I can track...I count how many of what are where...and yes. there were well over 16 sweets...not picking a fight, I'm just stating numbers. I TRACKED AND COUNTED THEM.... Anyways, I just don't care for folks pissin on my neck and telling me it's raining. I may have been a Marine, But I can count.
And Just to be clear I am not trying to start a rift between you and me or between our kins but you have the biggest freep population on this server and someone has to help oppose you or you are gonna get awful bored... but you have run with us and you know how we fight... Use it as an advantage and have fun with us
Hopefully still a friend, ~Ella~
You know I love you guys But, I'm noticing some consistently flawed logic here, and it's really starting to bother me. What I gather from your posts so far:
- zerging is ok cause we did it back in the day (we were always outnumbered so idk ### ur talkin about)
- creeps rank 5 or less cant really pvp, and we shouldnt attack them. they cant hurt us. (even after the update)
- when freeps rarely do something bad, it's still plenty of reason for creeps to act fail 24/7.
- creeps don't stand a chance against freeps and need twice their numbers to make an even fight
(why is this never the case on candy mountain?)
- Freeps can hop the moors just as fast as creeps (with one 30 minute map)
- Aergollor doesn't laugh
So just to be clear, I believe that getting some fairly even numbers in open field would be a lot more fun than the staring competitions at grams or zergfest roflstomps by either side. Also, I loled that whole time. Just sayin....
P.S. Sarlat is right : Trying to fight under bad circumstances does make you better.
but also wrong: Asking Ella to marry you is a good way to get killed by Pyrros.
"And high in the north as a challenge to Melkor she set the crown of seven mighty stars to swing, Valacirca, the Sickle of the Valar and sign of doom."
@Psylos > lol omg 2 full raids would be quite insane and very laggy...
@ Teuf > However I never said you can't count and I never blamed marines for anything, in fact I hold them to a higher standard based on the perfection they like to have but I have a question does your little tracker tell ya when people switch over to different characters... how about when people log in try to kill ya die and decide to log back out? so maybe there were more than exactly 16 at some point but there were not 20+ as was stated...
You getting peed on sucks sure as does the rude emote as does getting corpse jumped and any other thing that may happen to your dead body... but your not the only one it happens to and you won't be the last.... I was corpse jumped when TR when on a creep and I have been rude emoted when on a freep... why? because I sat there and waited to be rezzed... release when you die and it won't happen...it is all in choice...
- zerging is ok cause we did it back in the day (we were always outnumbered so idk ### ur talkin about)
Freeps still do it, as I had stated I was on my freep and participated in doing so the other day in a raid I or Ammit was not leading so it is a tactic that was learned... But note I also stated had your group stood your ground there and took us down instead of running we would have died and we would have figured something else out.
Originally Posted by WoodyD
- creeps rank 5 or less cant really pvp, and we shouldnt attack them. they cant hurt us. (even after the update)
The update did nothing but make them not look green to the freeps so that they couldn't target them first. However, No, what I am stating is even if creeps had a few more numbers it still should be easy to take them down.
Originally Posted by WoodyD
- when freeps rarely do something bad, it's still plenty of reason for creeps to act fail 24/7.
there are freeps and creeps who have awful personalities but that does not mean that they all do. And I am sad that it seems like I may suck or be the bad guy (girl actually but that sound like more fun) and be a bad person as long as I try to help them out.
Originally Posted by WoodyD
- creeps don't stand a chance against freeps and need twice their numbers to make an even fight
(why is this never the case on candy mountain?)
Didn't say that but 8 creeps don't stand a chance 12 freeps which was when people complained they were hiding.... especially an OP and well played loremaster, a cappy that is in love with last stand and amazing rk and a hunter with a bad attitude lol, every one in you kin is really good at what they do they new little creeplings didn't stand a chance lol
Originally Posted by WoodyD
- Freeps can hop the moors just as fast as creeps (with one 30 minute map)
no I meant they can drop pull as fast or faster... and taking a keep back is no contest for freeps
Originally Posted by WoodyD
- Aergollor doesn't laugh
It seems to me you aren't having fun if you put this forum up and are upset... however if you were laughing then good
Pointless and stupid threads like this are why I stopped posting in the PvMP forums months ago. I've become tired of seeing Freeps post whine rants about what the Creeps do, and how fail they are in GLFF. I started playing Creep side a bit with a friend that came with me here from Brandywine because he plays it a lot and I don't get to hang out with him much anymore because of it.
Playing both sides has been a very eye opening experience. I've seen the Freeps who give their old, broken record whine rants about what Creeps do, doing the exact same thing they were whining about in the first place. It's ridiculous at this point. I've grown tired of how inundated Freep side has become with all this nonsense. You would be very surprised to see the lack of whining and crying on Creep side compared to Freep side. They may be green, but they certainly don't whine anywhere near as much and it's a lot more fun over there.
I'm done playing in the moors on Freep side. I might go up to solo on occasion, but I have no interest in joining any groups. Catch you on the Creep side.
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This post is full of so much win.
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