Having seen a significantly newer build than that, I can say I am. That's at least 3 months old, prolly closer to 6 months. What was shown at the fansite tour was...much...different. But to each their own I guess
OK, when I saw your OP I thought clearly you were not been fair or didn't like Star Wars, then I watched the one of the two videos that would work on my computer (the Youtube one) and we get grainy footage of a man running round a typical MMORPG setting recreating the Clone Wars, fighting battle-droids with a stick or plastic tube, doesn't look much like a lightsabre.
I have watched a number of Youtube videos of people playing both the MMORPGs I play (including LOTRO) and they turned out a lot better than this one, could be the video capture software involved and it is supposed to be in beta, but you would have hoped it would be better.
Definitely needs improvement.
There is a mistaken belief that there wasn't a Woman in the Fellowship. It is just that when she got to Rivendell. "You want to climb over the Misty Mountains - You want to go down through Moria - Are you all mad." So she moved in with the Elves instead.
Aside from the choppy character rotation and some strange colorization on the HUD, I think everything else looks fine. In addition, as others have mentioned, the video is from several months ago and the appearance of the game has improved since then.
We have replies to the OP saying that the videos he has linked to are very old (up to 8 months) and claiming that the Game looks a lot better now, yet the only footage of the Game I see in this thread is the footage provided by the OP.
I have been looking forward to The Old Republic for many months and certainly hoping the Game is as good as it should be, but I would like to know that the Game is as good as it should be before I would consider buying the Game and taking part.
So how about some new up to date footage, to prove the Game wont be as duff as the OP's video suggests and don't post one of those really good trailers they made for the Game, I have seen them, they have sold the Game to me, but they are CGI movies, not Gameplay footage.
There is a mistaken belief that there wasn't a Woman in the Fellowship. It is just that when she got to Rivendell. "You want to climb over the Misty Mountains - You want to go down through Moria - Are you all mad." So she moved in with the Elves instead.
Guild War 2 will be a real mmo compared to the same old. Only reason people will buy SWTOR is cause it has "Star Wars" in the name. SWTOR is just WoW and LOTRO repackaged, atleast LOTRO added some interesting ideas despite being WoW like, SWTOR adds nothing.
We have replies to the OP saying that the videos he has linked to are very old (up to 8 months) and claiming that the Game looks a lot better now, yet the only footage of the Game I see in this thread is the footage provided by the OP.
The video isnt old, the beta is right now and this is taking from it a few days ago, just Star Wars fans hyping up what will be a failure.
Originally Posted by BrianDavion
sure and one could look at LOTRO gameplay videos and detirmine it's the same as whats on the market.
there's more to a game then just mechanics.
Turbine added on to the formula abit making the game interesting also Turbine worked harder on the world compared to most MMO's while I do agree LOTRO has flaws but Turbine never advertised the game a ground breaking.
*Edit: EA removed the videos
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OK, when I saw your OP I thought clearly you were not been fair or didn't like Star Wars, then I watched the one of the two videos that would work on my computer (the Youtube one) and we get grainy footage of a man running round a typical MMORPG setting recreating the Clone Wars, fighting battle-droids with a stick or plastic tube, doesn't look much like a lightsabre.
I have watched a number of Youtube videos of people playing both the MMORPGs I play (including LOTRO) and they turned out a lot better than this one, could be the video capture software involved and it is supposed to be in beta, but you would have hoped it would be better.
Definitely needs improvement.
Yea the Justin.TV has it in high quality, it was a user playing the closed beta live on Justin.TV a couple days ago. Someone just reloaded it to YT losing quality in the process.
a pre-made trailer from Bioware......no gameplay....
The link is not to gameplay footage, that is a trailer and I said.
Originally Posted by f.i.t.c.
So how about some new up to date footage, to prove the Game wont be as duff as the OP's video suggests and don't post one of those really good trailers they made for the Game, I have seen them, they have sold the Game to me, but they are CGI movies, not Gameplay footage.
Seen their trailers before, they make the Game look good, don't show anything In-Game though, only CGI scenes.
Originally Posted by Thanatos990
Guild War 2 will be a real mmo compared to the same old. Only reason people will buy SWTOR is cause it has "Star Wars" in the name. SWTOR is just WoW and LOTRO repackaged, atleast LOTRO added some interesting ideas despite being WoW like, SWTOR adds nothing.
Yes, Guild Wars 2 does look very good, from these and from what I have seen elsewhere, but just because you like one Game does not mean all others are bad, both Games could be equally good or equally bad.
Thanks for the links, did not watch the 37 minute trailer, did watch the others.
There is a mistaken belief that there wasn't a Woman in the Fellowship. It is just that when she got to Rivendell. "You want to climb over the Misty Mountains - You want to go down through Moria - Are you all mad." So she moved in with the Elves instead.
Of course there are plenty of opportunities to bash SWTOR, considering the amount of hype its developers are pouring into it. A few of the dev diaries have some in-game footage, but not much. I wouldn't judge the game on that, without having played it. (Judging the game before it's even out, what fun!)
Moreso, I take offense to those saying waiting for the game is a total waste. "It's just another WoW clone", they say. Well, I'm part of the crowd who played KotOR & KotOR 2 originally, and after a long while of modding these originals and demanding "We want KotOR 3!!!", had Bioware plop an MMO in our laps. Some said Bioware had lost its mind & concluded they would never touch the game. I, however, and others like me, are cautious in our approach to the game. We will be the ones who decide whether or not Bioware's gamble has payed off. Our verdict will be one of the following:
1) Yeah, it may not be KotOR 3, but it's still a good game. Bioware, you have upheld your reputation.
OR
2) Bioware, your KotOR fans have lost all faith in you. You just created another WoW clone. Fear our wrath!
It's my personal opinion that the judgments of KotOR fans should carry the most weight. I haven't a clue whether or not the OP has played either KotOR, but it would be interesting to know.
"If everyone is thinking alike, somone isn't thinking."
I could be wrong, but I thought a while back bioware mentioned that they where going to make it able to run on really low end systems pretty well.
Has someone heard them say that they have decided not to do that? It could easily explain the "KoToR1" graphics.
Personally, I am not "overly" excited cause last I heard their space combat was an on-rails shooter like aspect. I was hoping for the kinda thing we found in SWG.
I also dont believe the hype about "no grinding".
And the community is ... not fun to read.
But for all we know, the game play could make that all worth while. So I'm not going to call the game "Crud" until I play it. But I do wonder about the above question....
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You know, people who ridicule a highly-anticipated upcoming game and predict it as a failure (because they like some other upcoming game better) are as common as those threads hyping new games that don't look that impressive. Both types display some boring video from the game they hate of someone dithering around in a starter area, while showing fantastic-looking trailers from the game they like. Both extremes are misleading, nauseating, and neither has any real credibility.
We've seen this cycle many times before. The same ridicule was put out about Lotro (videos were circulated too) about how terrible it was, and now it's considered one of the better games out there. Conversely, we all heard about how great AoC and Warhammer were going to be, and those are generally considered to be games that missed their potential (or were complete flops, if you prefer).
At times I've been very interested in SWTOR and hope it releases this year, but have lost a lot of interest because it has been in public view for so long. Sure, I'll play it because it says Star Wars (like, duh), but I've read enough and seen enough to expect it to be decent, just as a game. I'm sure there will be improvements to come, as it grows. Just like many other MMOs.
I played the first and second Guild Wars (hated the second), and have seen trailers of the new one. It looks like more anime-inspired fairy sparklies swinging giant swords that belong in kids' arcade games. It's gonna be a failure! But watch this great trailer of MY game! Oh yeah, almost forgot to include the obligatory teenage "HAHAHAHA."
See what I did there?
Play the game when it comes out, or not. But the groundless claims one way or the other do nothing for me either way. I've been playing and following MMOs long enough not to put much stock in remarks from people with an obvious axe to grind.
What you said about warhammer got me thinking, and I might have figured out the problem.
Both warhammer and SWTOR are really niche games. They appeal to just one /type/ of person, rather then games that try to appeal to everyone.
Warhammer is really set up for those who have spent years upon years of reading the lore and playing the different types of warhammer (Trust me.. its not just a mini's game lol). It does not care that other games let you cross one race with another class, and other games tend to have a more "hopeful" tone to their PvE. (Plus, it was not really mass marketed until they started their "Endless trial". I think I did the trial for all of 3 hours before subbing lol. It drew me in that quickly)
SWTOR might just be one of those games as well. I mean, you put aside the "We are doing something no one else has blah blah" and all that, and it seems like an MMO designed to cater to that crowd that likes seeing people run around as a jedi/sith. Maybe the ones who dislike it where just never fans of star wars itself, which is its main appeal.
Just my thoughts that came to me based on the above comment.
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You might be right about Warhammer being a niche game (no idea really), but I couldn't consider SWTOR to be niche. For one thing, lots of people are looking to play something new that isn't yet another fantasy game. And though the Star Wars name is no doubt the best thing it has going for it, I think based on what I've read there's enough general appeal just as a game to attract a large enough audience to be more than niche.
But yeah, I can see how non-fans of Star Wars would so easily dismiss SWTOR before playing it, based on that and the fact that they're more interested in a new fantasy-themed MMO (as if there weren't enough of those). With that in mind, one boring video of someone putzing around in a SWTOR starter area is all it takes to turn them off to the game. But to the OP's chagrin I'm sure (his glee over its potential failure is fairly obvious), I don't think something like that is gonna change the mind of even one Star Wars fan who is waiting to try the game. I think people just know better than that by now. They know that stuff like this isn't necessarily representative of the game as a whole.
Though I never thought SWTOR was going to be as revolutionary as they liked to claim (something which all game developers do), I think it will do just fine and be at least as successful as LotRO has been.
Oh, I agree Star Wars fans will not be turned off by the graphics (IF at release that is even an issue). I mean heck, SWG is still kicking around. That game had a LOT of issues, but it was worth it to fly a YT-1200, or an X-wing, and killing a rancor with a lightsaber. lol
Well it was then the devs right and properly screwed things up (and no, i dont mean when they spilt the game into "iconic classes")
But my point is that yeah, I agree. Those who want to see the game fail will see every little thing as its death blow.
Ive played KOTOR for the xbox and throughly enjoyed it and when I heard they were making an online game to continue the story I nearly pissed myself. I agree the character and class layouts are a bit sketchy atm but with all new games it will have its ups and downs you just need to give it some time. I honestly think its gonna turn out to be a great game.
The reason I said they cannot keep up with the content pace is simple...everyone knows that Developers cannot keep up with players when it comes to content consumption, now factor in the cost of developing the key feature of TOR, full-voice interactivity.
Either they will have a higher subscription fee, or content gaps in TOR will make for some serious droughts where you can probably expect up-to-year dips. If this isn't the case, it'll be "well they've held content back", and even then that'll run dry.
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Um..not for nothing but why would anyone NOT want to be a jedi/sith O.o
Without the force, Star Wars would have been any other generic sci-fi movie/book series.
Actually for me personally, I don't intend to play either a Jedi or a Sith, because everyone else will be playing them.
Someone is going to have to do all the work, whilst they run round swinging their Lightsabres.
There is a mistaken belief that there wasn't a Woman in the Fellowship. It is just that when she got to Rivendell. "You want to climb over the Misty Mountains - You want to go down through Moria - Are you all mad." So she moved in with the Elves instead.
The reason I said they cannot keep up with the content pace is simple...everyone knows that Developers cannot keep up with players when it comes to content consumption, now factor in the cost of developing the key feature of TOR, full-voice interactivity.
Either they will have a higher subscription fee, or content gaps in TOR will make for some serious droughts where you can probably expect up-to-year dips. If this isn't the case, it'll be "well they've held content back", and even then that'll run dry.
this.
ToR is gonna start strong but you're gonna have people, end gamers especially, complaining about a lack of new content.
as it is I GARENTEE Bioware'll back track on voice acting and deliver new content without it
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Originally Posted by BrianDavion
ToR is gonna start strong but you're gonna have people, end gamers especially, complaining about a lack of new content.
As happens with most if not all MMOs, including LotRO.
There's nothing negative (or positive) about SWTOR that hasn't also been said about virtually every other game before it launched. Even if true, it doesn't necessarily foretell the success/failure of an MMO, because they grow and change with time, they don't just freeze and remain exactly the way they launch. I think it's more about whether or not they grow and change that determines a game's destiny, and we can only know that a good while after it launches.
I actually want to play a chiss imperial agent. Would have played galaxies if playing a chiss would have been an option.
Not sure if I will get around to it though- love lotro and only have so much time these days.
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truthfuly, I'm looking forward to SWTOR. I like LOTR. I know a few poeple that like both games. And I plan to play both. I'm realy likeing LOTR and having fun,.... hopefuly i'll be able to play LOTR again soon when the games up again. Still TOr looks like fun too.
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There is a lot in the old republic that no other MMO has done before, just go to the website... do a little reseurch you'll find some pretty good stuff. After all it is an MMO... so don't say it is a flop if it looks like an MMO from star wars cuz thats what it is!
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Guild War 2 will be a real mmo compared to the same old. Only reason people will buy SWTOR is cause it has "Star Wars" in the name. SWTOR is just WoW and LOTRO repackaged, atleast LOTRO added some interesting ideas despite being WoW like, SWTOR adds nothing.
Yes Guild Wars 2 does look amazing, but because you like one game does not mean that you should bash another. Yes a trailer was posted and not actual game footage, but a trailer's purpose is to get hype up. If you look at the GW2 site they post little action scenes of each character, Oh Wait! So does SWTOR, so really you haven't looked much into it if you haven't seen what some of the skills a Jedi Counselor can do. And I won't bash GW2 either, I'm looking forward to that, i'm a bit cautious about SWTOR because it's been such a long time since they started talking about it, but im not gonna knock it until i can physically see the game myself, and not some video repost of someone who is already predisposed to dislike the game.
You know, people who ridicule a highly-anticipated upcoming game and predict it as a failure (because they like some other upcoming game better) are as common as those threads hyping new games that don't look that impressive. Both types display some boring video from the game they hate of someone dithering around in a starter area, while showing fantastic-looking trailers from the game they like. Both extremes are misleading, nauseating, and neither has any real credibility.
We've seen this cycle many times before. The same ridicule was put out about Lotro (videos were circulated too) about how terrible it was, and now it's considered one of the better games out there. Conversely, we all heard about how great AoC and Warhammer were going to be, and those are generally considered to be games that missed their potential (or were complete flops, if you prefer).
At times I've been very interested in SWTOR and hope it releases this year, but have lost a lot of interest because it has been in public view for so long. Sure, I'll play it because it says Star Wars (like, duh), but I've read enough and seen enough to expect it to be decent, just as a game. I'm sure there will be improvements to come, as it grows. Just like many other MMOs.
I played the first and second Guild Wars (hated the second), and have seen trailers of the new one. It looks like more anime-inspired fairy sparklies swinging giant swords that belong in kids' arcade games. It's gonna be a failure! But watch this great trailer of MY game! Oh yeah, almost forgot to include the obligatory teenage "HAHAHAHA."
See what I did there?
Play the game when it comes out, or not. But the groundless claims one way or the other do nothing for me either way. I've been playing and following MMOs long enough not to put much stock in remarks from people with an obvious axe to grind.
it will ONLY be available for digital download via EA's Origin (their new steam-like client)
Makes sense to me. You will only be able to download off of EA's in-house service, and not off Steam and the like. Why pay someone to provide a digital copy when you can do so yourself? You will still be able to buy a boxed copy in shops.
Makes sense to me. You will only be able to download off of EA's in-house service, and not off Steam and the like. Why pay someone to provide a digital copy when you can do so yourself? You will still be able to buy a boxed copy in shops.
dont like boxed copies as i am always losing the dvd/cd
prefer digital so that i always have it.
and dont trust EA enough to install their must always run client.
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