Thread: Why Bother?

So I decided to make the lvl41 Teal set of Jewellery for my Burg..
After using Journals, Single shot recipes, Guild Symbols I have saved up over the weeks, Shards, Ingots...and not a few nervous moments I had the set!

I was so happy! That set - I knew - Would last her to at least Lvl48. By which time I might as well make the lvl 50 set and so on....

Then I was checking out the AH...

And what did I see? The Level 42 pieces were IDENTICAL - On most stats. And BETTER on one or two??

I was absolutely disgusted.

Why bother making the SS stuff when the Critted standard stuff - ONE LEVEL HIGHER - Is better????

What were they thinking???

Yeah, that's accurate.
Single shots are pretty bleh.
Which is depressing.


People have been complaining about the crafting system since Moria made it irrelevant (technically in SoA too, but that was for different reasons), and I guess they took that to mean they just needed to add MORE stuff in order to fix it. Swing na miss.

This seems to be the case with most crafts. I have a GM metalsmith and weaponsmith, and in both cases, same thing. The level 31 single shot, worse than the 32 crit. As to the question of why bother, the only possible answer would be if you had a crafter who didn't have a high enough tier to crit for your level. As an expert, I could have made a level 31 single shot, but I needed to be master artisan to make a level 32 crit. Not that there was a problem there, as I tend to be able to make the crafted gear long before I can even wear it (I have a bit of a crafting obsession). But outside of that one set of circumstances, I would say, don't bother.

Which I why I sell (almost) all of my single use recipes.

Guild items are as good or better, and require less resources (no journal needed, so no shard/flake for it). No chance of a failed crit, because crits aren't needed.

Originally Posted by Stigger32

What were they thinking???

Here's your problem. You assumed they were


Seriously, as already noted, this is pretty much true for All crafting professions. Even the Guild ones are hardly better; even if you do save on mats (since it's 100% success), the length of time required to acquire the various symbols (3 - 7 day wait time Per) a set makes things self-defeating.

Originally Posted by JeanCarlo

Here's your problem. You assumed they were


Seriously, as already noted, this is pretty much true for All crafting professions. Even the Guild ones are hardly better; even if you do save on mats (since it's 100% success), the length of time required to acquire the various symbols (3 - 7 day wait time Per) a set makes things self-defeating.

Unless you Plan Ahead, and start stockpiling guild thingies before the intended character(s) reach the level to needed to make use of the item(s).

Since they staggered the levels all crafting is like that. Pretty much only need to make

level 12, 22, 32, 42, 51, 60 and 65 equipement. very effiecient wiht material used and the crits are accepaple to you get to then tier. The extra work for one shots and one shot crits simply are not worth while without using guild recipies.

Originally Posted by UrsaMinor

Unless you Plan Ahead, and start stockpiling guild thingies before the intended character(s) reach the level to needed to make use of the item(s).

That only helps if you also don't level a Lot.
The L31 (Lowest Guild item) gear are on 3 day timers. To make a set of 6 (Armor), you need 15 days, not counting the first one. To make a set of 7 (jewelry) you need 18, again not counting the first one.

It's not hard to get to L31 and beyond in 15 - 18 days. It gets worse at L41 (same amount of wait time, and definitely worse at L50 and beyond when the timer goes to 7 days per item.

Originally Posted by JeanCarlo

That only helps if you also don't level a Lot.
The L31 (Lowest Guild item) gear are on 3 day timers. To make a set of 6 (Armor), you need 15 days, not counting the first one. To make a set of 7 (jewelry) you need 18, again not counting the first one.

It's not hard to get to L31 and beyond in 15 - 18 days. It gets worse at L41 (same amount of wait time, and definitely worse at L50 and beyond when the timer goes to 7 days per item.

Sadly, pretty much none of the one shots are worth it when leveling. You go through levels so fast even if not trying to, and a few levels higher you have purple items as good or better. I think if they ever redo things (doubt it), they should make the teals better for AT LEAST 5 levels, and special in some way to justify the effort...

Originally Posted by DelgonTheWise

Sadly, pretty much none of the one shots are worth it when leveling. You go through levels so fast even if not trying to, and a few levels higher you have purple items as good or better. I think if they ever redo things (doubt it), they should make the teals better for AT LEAST 5 levels, and special in some way to justify the effort...

That or drastically reduce (even to zero if Kindred, IMO) the timers on the tokens. Of course, this has been asked for pretty much since about 1 month after MoM came out

So I say that i'm not happy with the crafting and the tier 7 craft items are junk and that it is no wonder people are leaving the game. No bad words or anything offensive and it is deleted?

Originally Posted by A_Spitwad

So I say that i'm not happy with the crafting and the tier 7 craft items are junk and that it is no wonder people are leaving the game. No bad words or anything offensive and it is deleted?

Three posts yesterday including mine and all three disappeared. No legitimate reason for them to be deleted. If they were deleted, I'm not very happy about that.

So I will repeat what I said: Westfold jeweler crafting is sorely lacking. And the jewelry is clunky looking like cheap pot metal.

Originally Posted by Bryos

Three posts yesterday including mine and all three disappeared. No legitimate reason for them to be deleted. If they were deleted, I'm not very happy about that.

So I will repeat what I said: Westfold jeweler crafting is sorely lacking. And the jewelry is clunky looking like cheap pot metal.

And what was even stranger is that my forum language was changed to french!

Originally Posted by Bryos

Three posts yesterday including mine and all three disappeared. No legitimate reason for them to be deleted. If they were deleted, I'm not very happy about that.

So I will repeat what I said: Westfold jeweler crafting is sorely lacking. And the jewelry is clunky looking like cheap pot metal.

Given this is a relatively benign very slightly critical thread, I'd attribute vanished posts to the "Beta" nature of the forums Compared to the flamefests and turbine/store/etc hate allowed to go on elsewhere, I'm just guessing this is a glitch rather than over-zealous censorship...

Guys, the posts were removed as this thread is a bit of a necro. If you guys want to talk about the current state of the craft, please make a new thread, as this seems like it might be a new conversation rather than a continuation of the existing thread.