Thread: My stance on 1v1s

I got a few hate tells today on my guard for my actions in the Ettenmoors. Like many of you, I too, am absolutely shocked by this!

There were about 7 creeps and about 5 freeps at the base of STAB on the EC side just standing around, lying down, emoting, giving each other love taps, and apparently 1v1s. Upon my arrival, I paused briefly to try and figure out what the heck was going on, and then I proceeded killing all the creeps that were there. There were two other instances of this a week or so back on the road from TR between the keep and the norbogs, where I came across a duplicate situation, began attacking the audience, killing some, and being killed.

Now, I'm all for the "1v1 movement". I've never attacked anyone actively participating in a 1v1. As for those watching the "1v1", it is my opinion that you're still able to watch it while you're dead. I pvp in the Ettenmoors, not mamby pamby land.

If you want a free pass, go somewhere out of the way. Uninterrupted 1v1 viewing at STAB/EC and on the way back from TR Rez is a ridiculous expectation, and one that shall not be granted by me. As said, I won't attack those actively 1v1'ing, but no free ticket shall be handed out to those viewing. If the viewing audience wants to take the party to somewhere less traveled, I won't go out of my way to combat the viewing audience. But to expect a free pass in well traversed areas is an unreasonable expectation that I cannot meet.

I goto the PVP area to PVP. Not stand around and /emotefest. Take it for what it is worth, but that's my stance on the matter. Free tickets will be given to active participants in a 1v1. The only thing I am able to offer the viewing audience, however, is a free ticket to the rez circle.

xoxo

And it is, of course, all about you and what you want. Good for you! I wish the universe revolved around me like it does for you.

Originally Posted by helespont

And it is, of course, all about you and what you want. Good for you! I wish the universe revolved around me like it does for you.

I wish you made sense.







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Originally Posted by Ravyrn

As for those watching the "1v1", it is my opinion that you're still able to watch it while you're dead. I pvp in the Ettenmoors, not mamby pamby land.

If you want a free pass, go somewhere out of the way. Uninterrupted 1v1 viewing at STAB/EC and on the way back from TR Rez is a ridiculous expectation, and one that shall not be granted by me.

Before this comment, I was always unsure. However, I fully support all that was said, particularly when it comes to popular locations and map spots. I now feel vindicated f in doubt, to burn them out.

Kill or be killed. 1v1 is a side show.

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If your own side politely asks you not to interfere you should respect their wishes.

Originally Posted by helespont

And it is, of course, all about you and what you want. Good for you! I wish the universe revolved around me like it does for you.

Nope, it's about pvp in a pvp zone and informing players what to expect from me. I won't attack the 1v1ers but those watching 1v1s do so at their own peril unless they go to an ideal location. EC/STAB or a highly trafficked area in front of a rez aren't ideal locations. I'm not going to interrupt an on-going 1v1, I'm not going to go out of my way to ruin them if they're being done at an out of the way location, and I'm not going to not attack 6+ creeps I see watching 1v1s in quite possibly the most highly trafficked area in the Ettenmoors.


As for the universe revolving around me, I was wondering what that was. I thought it was fruit loops.

Originally Posted by Idiotvillage

If your own side politely asks you not to interfere you should respect their wishes.

No one on my side has mentioned anything of the matter in OOC or tells. The tells received were from people who I killed in a pvp zone. As previously stated, people actively 1v1'ing won't be attacked. Those watching or waiting for a 1v1 do so at their own peril unless they go to an area that isn't highly-trafficked. In front of a rez circle and in front of EC are just bad ideas.

Doh! Sorry, my bad. You are not on my server! You are a bit rude to the 1v1ers, but it is OK as long as you are rude in your space and not mine That aside, you do make some some very valid points. The 1v1ers are being just as, if not more, rude in not trying to set up an arena area off the main roads.

Originally Posted by helespont

Doh! Sorry, my bad. You are not on my server! You are a bit rude to the 1v1ers, but it is OK as long as you are rude in your space and not mine That aside, you do make some some very valid points. The 1v1ers are being just as, if not more, rude in not trying to set up an arena area off the main roads.

In my opinion, I'm not being rude at all. If someone has the expectation that I won't attack people watching a 1v1, then I have an expectation that they do the 1v1s at an out of the way area. I'll meet their expectation if they meet my expectation. If both expectations are met, everybody is happy. Nothing rude with that. We're all winners.

If you want to get on the subject of rudeness, your first response to this thread would be a good example, so we could start there.

Vic is always right, what's wrong with you people?

I really don't think what Vic is saying is rude nor asking too much. If you're 1v1ing in an open place (and EC Shuffle is about the dumbest place to do this) you can't demand nor expect someone to follow an unspoken rule of protection. People come out to the moors to play not to stand around in the fight club ring.

Take the 1v1's somewhere else. Move them out of the way and problem solved. If you actually read his post without taking offense you can see that he is suggesting the 1v1 be moved to thwart any confusion or doubt of what is going on.

The crazy thing about this is that this MMO is the only one with slow enough pvp to support the emote tea parties and 1v1's. I have never played a game where I even had the opportunity for a 1v1 let alone the ability to finish it.

Considering the fact you can, move them to the side away from volume and have them there. No sense in crying over it because someone on the other side who wants to play chose to pvp. There are no rules, no unspokens, no guidelines. Be smart about it and considerate of everyone. The burden shouldn't lie on someone to deduce if it's a 1v1 or if a group of people want to play or sit around watching.

I somewhat agree with what you're saying Vic, there are those people that don't even try to 1v1 at events they just ./sitdown and do nothing, personal when I am standing at a 1v1 spot its usually because I am watching a friend fight and trying to give advice. I'm always down to 1v1 and for those people who are afraid to do it, it only makes you a better player, raiding will do nothing for you're skill only hinder it.

Originally Posted by Ravyrn

Upon my arrival, I paused briefly to try and figure out what the heck was going on, and then I proceeded killing all the creeps that were there. xoxo

OMG I missed all the fun!! Sounds hiliarious!

Originally Posted by Leksi

I really don't think.

And the truth shall set you free!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (done in my worst Jim Carrey impression, of course, which is awesome btw)

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Originally Posted by Althorion

And the truth shall set you free!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (done in my worst Jim Carrey impression, of course, which is awesome btw)

Your infatuation with me is concerning

My stance on 1v1s is usually either Brawler's or Commander's stance, depending on how many freeps there are to kill.

In all seriousness, anyone expecting mercy to be given to a bunch of opposing faction dingleberries loitering around EC is worth an ignore. As previously stated, if you want to 1v1, go somewhere out of the way and don't be surprised if you get pvp'ed in a pvp zone.

And yes, I do not care that some may think my style of play is lame or talentless just as I do not care to make special accommodations to cater to someone else's style of play.

I agree with the "location is everything argument" but fail to see what that argument has to do with anything here.

First, no matter if your out of the way, CM, the Arena or wherever, if you get ganked in a pvp zone, simply rez and go about playing as always, No reason to get upset and send anyone hate tells. This is a MMO and there will always be those opportunist that love to crash any party.

Secondly, Vic admitted that he had ascertained that this was a 1v1/emoting party that he had happened upon and made a choice.

He obviously didn't choose to keep on going to point "B", nor did he choose to pull up a seat and watch as some in the same situation probably choose to do. He obviously wasn't in a 1v1 mood so he opted to kill some creeps. I'm sure he did it for the renown. We all know how valuable renown is.

Vic, thanks again for enforcing the Vic rules and I think most of us know that you are definitely no Nubbers.

It is good to see that you have something in common with our Nemesis and 1v1 crashers on creep side.

Feed the flames, but PvP is PvP....

I see 2 people playing grab ???? out of the way in some trees....I'll let them be.

I see a mob of creeps loitering in a high traffic area....pew pew or piercing cry. i don't go out much, but I should have to debate whether it is safe to attack an enemy or not. i don't know all the pansy rules or guidelines to 1vs1 etiquette, nor do I ever plan on holding myself to honoring them.

If you want to sing songs around a campfire and and roast marshmallows, don't do it on TA front lawn or at at EC.

PvP should be delicious murder, much like bacon.

After much thought, approximately 30 seconds after posting, I change my opinion. If I see a creep, regardless of scenario, I'm gonna kill it. or more than likely get killed doing so.

It's PvP after all. Go roast marshmallows in 21st hall.

Originally Posted by KneelBeforeZod

My stance on 1v1s is usually either Brawler's or Commander's stance, depending on how many freeps there are to kill.

In all seriousness, anyone expecting mercy to be given to a bunch of opposing faction dingleberries loitering around EC is worth an ignore. As previously stated, if you want to 1v1, go somewhere out of the way and don't be surprised if you get pvp'ed in a pvp zone.

And yes, I do not care that some may think my style of play is lame or talentless just as I do not care to make special accommodations to cater to someone else's style of play.

Winning!

/more words

Originally Posted by Ravyrn

Nope, it's about pvp in a pvp zone and informing players what to expect from me. I won't attack the 1v1ers but those watching 1v1s do so at their own peril unless they go to an ideal location. EC/STAB or a highly trafficked area in front of a rez aren't ideal locations. I'm not going to interrupt an on-going 1v1, I'm not going to go out of my way to ruin them if they're being done at an out of the way location, and I'm not going to not attack 6+ creeps I see watching 1v1s in quite possibly the most highly trafficked area in the Ettenmoors.


As for the universe revolving around me, I was wondering what that was. I thought it was fruit loops.

Really just wanted to see this pic posted again....

Originally Posted by Taso29

I'm always down to 1v1 and for those people who are afraid to do it, it only makes you a better player, raiding will do nothing for you're skill only hinder it.

This is way most people fail at pvp ...they don't want to take some deaths to make themselves better at pvp .....and i agree with everything vic said. why watch a 1v1 when you can be in a 1v1 just my thought on the matter.

Originally Posted by DaxMaxtor

Secondly, Vic admitted that he had ascertained that this was a 1v1/emoting party that he had happened upon and made a choice.

He obviously didn't choose to keep on going to point "B", nor did he choose to pull up a seat and watch as some in the same situation probably choose to do. He obviously wasn't in a 1v1 mood so he opted to kill some creeps. I'm sure he did it for the renown. We all know how valuable renown is.

Vic, thanks again for enforcing the Vic rules and I think most of us know that you are definitely no Nubbers.

It is good to see that you have something in common with our Nemesis and 1v1 crashers on creep side.

Quite the contrary Gunnor, I'm always in a 1v1 mood, or 1v2 or 1v3. As for choosing not to keep going to point "B", there was no need to, I had arrived at point "B". Point "B" was the location of creeps and I had found them lying down and emoting in front of EC. After pausing briefly to take in the scene and make sure I wouldn't interrupt any active 1v1s, I proceeded to begin pvping in a pvp zone. I attacked 6 creeps by myself and chased after them into their npcs on STAB. I know Gunnor, I completely agree I'm a total jerk for pvp'ing in a pvp zone. Honestly, there weren't even any 1v1s going on at STAB. It was just an /emotefest. The Ettenmoors is meant for pvp, /emotefests are best held in Bree.

As for enforcing the Vic rules, you are very much welcome, good sir! Vic rules are rules of reason! Pvping in a pvp zone, that Vic is such a jackwagon! As for me definitely being no Nubbers, you're darned tooting! Poor Nubbers had become KOS for the most part towards the end of our relationship. Nubbers had healed and saved too many of my targets to grant him a free ride any longer.

I'm surprised it took you so long to give me attention, Gunnor. Generally, you're much quicker.

Signed,
The Enforcer of Vic Rules, The Elitest, Winner of the Gunnor replies to every single one of my threads Contest, Kewl Kid on the Block, Active Subscriber of Aris & Co., The Selfish, The Inconsiderate.

I have to agree with Vic on this and I don't do that lightly either. If your going to farm one another don't do it in areas that you know are well traveled by raids. Expect to get killed....it's PVP and if you're in the zone your fair game no matter what playstyle you have.

Go to no-mans land out behind the river outpost and farm each other until your hearts content. Most raids don't run out there and if they do they're not interested in a few star huggin 1 v 1'ers. Although there are a few worth stopping for no matter what the raids doing!!!!

That is all!

Valistar

Originally Posted by helespont

The 1v1ers are being just as, if not more, rude in not trying to set up an arena area off the main roads.

It's not really setting up an arena, just a lil improtu thing ppl do, but its not rude lol? Zerging is rude .

Originally Posted by Taso29

I somewhat agree with what you're saying Vic, there are those people that don't even try to 1v1 at events they just ./sitdown and do nothing, personal when I am standing at a 1v1 spot its usually because I am watching a friend fight and trying to give advice. I'm always down to 1v1 and for those people who are afraid to do it, it only makes you a better player, raiding will do nothing for you're skill only hinder it.

QFT!

Originally Posted by KneelBeforeZod

In all seriousness, anyone expecting mercy to be given to a bunch of opposing faction dingleberries loitering around EC is worth an ignore. As previously stated, if you want to 1v1, go somewhere out of the way and don't be surprised if you get pvp'ed in a pvp zone.

Yeah, you try to break my 1v1s up, and I'll kill ya son!

Originally Posted by Eaglehaven

I have to agree with Vic on this and I don't do that lightly either. If your going to farm one another don't do it in areas that you know are well traveled by raids. Expect to get killed....it's PVP and if you're in the zone your fair game no matter what playstyle you have.

Go to no-mans land out behind the river outpost and farm each other until your hearts content. Most raids don't run out there and if they do they're not interested in a few star huggin 1 v 1'ers. Although there are a few worth stopping for no matter what the raids doing!!!!

That is all!

Valistar

Farm one another? For one thing, 1v1ing the same person over and over is a bit redundant, but its not farming, cuz someone can better themselves after a while and possibly, idk, find a strat to beat the opposition? Zerging is farming, since the person has no chance to defend themselves and it's easy points. It's the person's choice as well to keep coming back for more 1v1s if they keep losing, also which lowers the amount you get if you win a good portion; eventually, if its just 2 ppl, they generally get bored. I think it is fun defending ur stars in a skillful fight; only thing that makes stars fun to get if you want them imo. Getting stars by just being wreckless is dumb and not fun for me, for I enjoy being wreckless. Only zerg those with stars that zerg and hide to get them and are wimps, not 1v1 to get them.

Yeah, I kinda agree with ya Vic; I dont mind you going outta the way to kill those not 1v1ing and watching, but those 1v1ing of course, leave alone, which I know you do and respect that. They should just try and fight ya lol, but don't expect me to help if you get overwhelmed, really. Not cuz I dont want to, just cuz I feel like 1v1ing at that time.

I too to start for one vee oneings. To pvpees in a zone of fights for fun of the slash sit. Only fun we have as we gather for emotings of area to which there is never of unrest and lamenessness of the back and forths we to achieve? Nay. If some ones need the usual business of the EC by all means. Playings of the zone of pvp has no rulers. Therefore expecting of to be destroyed and trip to the respawn portal.

Originally Posted by Ravyrn

Quite the contrary Gunnor, I'm always in a 1v1 mood, or 1v2 or 1v3. As for choosing not to keep going to point "B", there was no need to, I had arrived at point "B". Point "B" was the location of creeps and I had found them lying down and emoting in front of EC. After pausing briefly to take in the scene and make sure I wouldn't interrupt any active 1v1s, I proceeded to begin pvping in a pvp zone. I attacked 6 creeps by myself and chased after them into their npcs on STAB. I know Gunnor, I completely agree I'm a total jerk for pvp'ing in a pvp zone. Honestly, there weren't even any 1v1s going on at STAB. It was just an /emotefest. The Ettenmoors is meant for pvp, /emotefests are best held in Bree.

As for enforcing the Vic rules, you are very much welcome, good sir! Vic rules are rules of reason! Pvping in a pvp zone, that Vic is such a jackwagon! As for me definitely being no Nubbers, you're darned tooting! Poor Nubbers had become KOS for the most part towards the end of our relationship. Nubbers had healed and saved too many of my targets to grant him a free ride any longer.

I'm surprised it took you so long to give me attention, Gunnor. Generally, you're much quicker.

Signed,
The Enforcer of Vic Rules, The Elitest, Winner of the Gunnor replies to every single one of my threads Contest, Kewl Kid on the Block, Active Subscriber of Aris & Co., The Selfish, The Inconsiderate.

6 creeps running from a single guardian? Go Gladden creeps! You guys are awesome.


I love how people get so pissed when you interrput their little 1v1 sessions, but then, whenever you randomly stumble on a lone creep 99.99% of them will run to their friends/call their friends in.

I will start respecting organised 1v1s, when creeps stop running from me in our unorganised 1v1s

Originally Posted by Ravyrn

I'm surprised it took you so long to give me attention, Gunnor. Generally, you're much quicker.

Yea, a bored moment and as Tahi says, you are an easy target. Kind of like those creeps laying around on the ground huh?

As far any other reply, you pretty much said it in your sign off.

Originally Posted by Ravyrn

Signed,
The Enforcer of Vic Rules, The Elitest, Kewl Kid on the Block, Active Subscriber of Aris & Co., The Selfish, The Inconsiderate.

I did edit out the "Winner comment". Embellishing is right up Gunnor's alley but fabrication is another thing.

Valistar, 1v1s are not farming. I mean were not all super duper smart here but really? Its farming if one turns around and doesnt even try. 1v1s are one person fighting the other to get points and gain/show skill. Please think before you speak. Ty

Originally Posted by Leksi

Your infatuation with me is concerning

And your obsession with me is completely understandable

Originally Posted by Italidude

Valistar, 1v1s are not farming. I mean were not all super duper smart here but really? Its farming if one turns around and doesnt even try. 1v1s are one person fighting the other to get points and gain/show skill. Please think before you speak. Ty

I have forgotten more about PVP play and LOTRO PVP than you will ever know or comprehend. 1 v 1 in this game is the most abused game mechanic in any MMO on the market and to add insult to injury LOTRO has decided to cater to WOW type players. PVP in LOTRO is a joke.

As I stated in an earlier post....if I could virtually rip off those ranks you and other 1 v 1 'ers wear so proudly I would because you dam sure don't deserve to wear them.

That is all....carry on booter.

Valistar

Originally Posted by DaxMaxtor

Yea, a bored moment and as Tahi says, you are an easy target. Kind of like those creeps laying around on the ground huh?

As far any other reply, you pretty much said it in your sign off.



I did edit out the "Winner comment". Embellishing is right up Gunnor's alley but fabrication is another thing.

Originally Posted by Eaglehaven

I have forgotten more about PVP play and LOTRO PVP than you will ever know or comprehend. 1 v 1 in this game is the most abused game mechanic in any MMO on the market and to add insult to injury LOTRO has decided to cater to WOW type players. PVP in LOTRO is a joke.

As I stated in an earlier post....if I could virtually rip off those ranks you and other 1 v 1 'ers wear so proudly I would because you dam sure don't deserve to wear them.

That is all....carry on booter.

Valistar

Originally Posted by Ravyrn

LMAO, I'm flattered you would invest this much time.. but shouldn't that be a Val and Vic pic? After reading this thread, I'd say you two have a lot more in common than Val and Gunnor do.. Ol Val is taking your side on all this after all..

PS; Oh, one other observation. As much as I love to hate ol Val, the whole puppet thing just doesn't fit him or Gunnor. Perhaps you should refer this pic back to your sign-off in relation to Aris&Co or maybe post it in Clown's Lemming thread (talk about the pot calling the kettle black)?

Originally Posted by Eaglehaven

As I stated in an earlier post....if I could virtually rip off those ranks you and other 1 v 1 'ers wear so proudly I would because you dam sure don't deserve to wear them.

Massing a raid and pushing outnumbered creeps to grams night after night after night after night (during book 12 and 13) should negate all renown deserved by freeps (like myself). If you guys want to talk about pride that is nothing to be proud of. Zerging, as we did in those days, was the cheap way to get renown, and freeps got so use to it that when it came time to face a real challenge, they faltered big time. They started turtling and witch hunting for anyone they can blame for playing so terribly. I spose since we can not zerg every night, like we use to, it's better to quit, blame, and label people you don't even know to make yourselves feel better.

Most people that spar aren't doing it for the renown. It's a test for themselves. And it's far from being easy as zerging is. Zerging is an exploit. But we all do it. And the ones that prefer it are lame. As unfair as some sparring situations can be you can still L E A R N losing or winning. What is this word L E A R N? It is unthinkable for some people.

The fact that people consider renown as any kind of "measurement" to there experience, time spent, and pride doesn't make them pvpers in any way. Especially from people who think "get more people or log" is the only tactic to do. It just makes you farmers. Farmers that would rather exploit the ettenmoors with numbers than apply any real strategy.

Your attitudes are unwarranted Val and Guns. But it keeps some drama still kicking.

Originally Posted by DaxMaxtor

LMAO, I'm flattered you would invest this much time.. but shouldn't that be a Val and Vic pic? After reading this thread, I'd say you two have a lot more in common than Val and Gunnor do.. Ol Val is taking your side on all this after all..

PS; Oh, one other observation. As much as I love to hate ol Val, the whole puppet thing just doesn't fit him or Gunnor. Perhaps you should refer this pic back to your sign-off in relation to Aris&Co or maybe post it in Clown's Lemming thread (talk about the pot calling the kettle black)?

No, it shouldn't be a Val and Vic pic. It's a Gunnor and Val pic. As for me and Val having more in common than Val and yourself, I am not sure there are many that would agree. You and Valistar are two peas from the same pod. Also, he isn't necessarily taking my side. Though he stated he agreed with me, his agreement isn't wholly true, as his view and my view on 1v1s differ greatly.

PS: In regards to your one other observation and your assessment that the whole puppet thing just doesn't fit him or yourself, I would once more have to disagree. There's no need to refer the pic back to my sign-off in relation to Aris&Co. The muppets in the picture are best described as, "Jerry Statler and Conrad Waldorf are a pair of Muppet characters. They are two ornery, disagreeable old men." The selection is very fitting and suits you and Valistar quite well.

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I have played with some very, very good PVP'ers in my MMO experience, which dates back when some of you noobs were still in diapers and the system of choice was a 386 with dial up, and on their best day they would NEVER EVER have stats like this or been able to advance in such a short period of time.

LOTRO's mainly at fault however, player stats like this are proof of how PVP mechanics in this game are the most abused of any MMO on the market.

Post yours Clown...I'd be happy to post mine.

Valistar

Originally Posted by the_blah

Massing a raid and pushing outnumbered creeps to grams night after night after night after night (during book 12 and 13) should negate all renown deserved by freeps (like myself). If you guys want to talk about pride that is nothing to be proud of. Zerging, as we did in those days, was the cheap way to get renown, and freeps got so use to it that when it came time to face a real challenge, they faltered big time. They started turtling and witch hunting for anyone they can blame for playing so terribly. I spose since we can not zerg every night, like we use to, it's better to quit, blame, and label people you don't even know to make yourselves feel better.

Most people that spar aren't doing it for the renown. It's a test for themselves. And it's far from being easy as zerging is. Zerging is an exploit. But we all do it. And the ones that prefer it are lame. As unfair as some sparring situations can be you can still L E A R N losing or winning. What is this word L E A R N? It is unthinkable for some people.

The fact that people consider renown as any kind of "measurement" to there experience, time spent, and pride doesn't make them pvpers in any way. Especially from people who think "get more people or log" is the only tactic to do. It just makes you farmers. Farmers that would rather exploit the ettenmoors with numbers than apply any real strategy.

Your attitudes are unwarranted Val and Guns. But it keeps some drama still kicking.

Good post Clown. Very well said. I can't argue with a single word of it except for one sentence

Originally Posted by the_blah

Your attitudes are unwarranted

. Understanding my attitude isn't age related, not given to the old at heart only. Actually it's more of an insight that many share. Vinner or NUBBERS are good examples just to name a couple. Just A Game (JAG) pretty much says it all. There's no good old boys clan or brat pack there.

Now lumping Gunnor and Val together as sharing a similar attitude is just so wrong. I'm sure Val is cringing at the thought.. Altho we may be friends with the common idea that playing and real life are separate things, we've never seen eye to eye on each others play styles.

Now Clown, do correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to recall sitting beside you more than once at those happen-chance 1v1/emote party's that have popped up in the middle of a boring night in the Moors? How many times have our parties been crashed and we laugh it off? No biggie!

Now I really do like Vic, reminds me of me 20+ years ago when I knew a lot more than I do now. How do you think I know so well what buttons to push? I get him wound up and look at all the entertainment that comes out. The boy is creative and admit it, you can't wait to see what he'll come up with next, can ya? haha

As far as taking a stance on any pvp in a pve centric game where the pvp is just a second though, I'll decline. My stances change far to often to suit what I may find entertaining at any given moment and again, pvp and these boards are end game for old Gunnor.

I do enjoy the pvp in this game but Seriously, if you aspire to be a really hard core pvp'r, there's other games much better suited. Not that I care to see anyone leave. Who would I pick on if they all left?

Originally Posted by Eaglehaven

I have played with some very, very good PVP'ers in my MMO experience, which dates back when some of you noobs were still in diapers and the system of choice was a 386 with dial up, and on their best day they would NEVER EVER have stats like this or been able to advance in such a short period of time.

LOTRO's mainly at fault however, player stats like this are proof of how PVP mechanics in this game are the most abused of any MMO on the market.

Post yours Clown...I'd be happy to post mine.

Valistar

Val, wake up and smell the coffee.. Those days are long gone and this is a new age in MMO's and PVP.. There are far too many of these games out there competing for market share and the easy-button wins the share-holders interest $$$...

The best (most challenging) PVP I ever played was SWG (Pre NGE) and look what happened to that game. Market share dropped because if was too challenging and complicated for the masses and only the hard-core players remained so change had to be made. It changed alright, but not only did they not gain market share, they ran off the core that was sustaining it?

Again I state, without the "Warg Style" characters, the Moors would be a lonely, lonely place.

Originally Posted by DaxMaxtor

Now I really do like Vic, reminds me of me 20+ years ago when I knew a lot more than I do now. How do you think I know so well what buttons to push?

When creeps and freeps don't give a damn about what the sexy elf chicks or skanky morvals think, when they die, will i give a @#$# about whos right or wrong, or whos been changin their next of kins diaper. Those who have been out lately givin the good fight, freep or creep, my hats off to you. Don't matter whos been out before, or, "i remember the good old (took it in the @$^, and liked it) days. Either put up or shut up now. Its a brand new bag.

Btw always up for some 1v1s, or zerg vs. i fail.

Also, Vic is king, Vinner is my master, Murglar pwns my a#@, Valistar is funny, Push supports me, Clown is hot, Wondrme is my cousins, uncles, rooomate from college, and Azareth fails at champ (oh no he didn't).

IM OLD SCHOOL BTW..............HAVE FUN ALL