Next week PA will be boasting about their challenge mode kills with groups stacked with burgs. Lawl
PST Ilbello for all burg pugs, running all moria dailies plus VM.
Grats Resistance!
Last edited by jennirich; Apr 19 2011 at 02:38 AM.
Funny thing is I know for a fact that this same "exploit" has been used by some of the ppl crying about it up in here, but this was done on the blindone cause you were to dumb to remove corruptions so you foound a way to avoid them.
I apologize for those who are upset over the accomplishment of another. Gratz Resistance!
dang they got the windfola rejects trolling for them too now. Hows that raiding kin of yours going?
Hey Alex you do remember that I am also from Windfola right?
If PA was more focused on OD rather than NR then maybe you would have beaten Resistance to it. Even with all that previous experince your entire kin had on BR and you had With a mixed dev team you could not accomplish what Resistance did. that is just sad.
Oh I have another question for you, when you are done sapping all the loot for your alts from PA will you do the same thing to them you have to every other kin on BW and just leave and laugh about how you used them for nothing but loots? Just curious is all.
Think before you speak son and when you turn 21 I'll buy you a beer and explain to what that means.
Hey Alex you do remember that I am also from Windfola right?
If PA was more focused on OD rather than NR then maybe you would have beaten Resistance to it. Even with all that previous experince your entire kin had on BR and you had With a mixed dev team you could not accomplish what Resistance did. that is just sad.
Oh I have another question for you, when you are done sapping all the loot for your alts from PA will you do the same thing to them you have to every other kin on BW and just leave and laugh about how you used them for nothing but loots? Just curious is all.
Think before you speak son and when you turn 21 I'll buy you a beer and explain to what that means.
Gratz Resistance.
Good Luck to PA in the future.
Yeah I do, but ive played with you before i know you're quality.
When have I ever sapped loot from any kin and just left laughing about it?
We never wanted to beat the raid before anyone. We just raid for the fun of it. We also dont care who knows about our progress or what loot we got thus the reason we dont post in this thread.
The point is that if you are going to brag about achieving something (which I will say now that YOU personally did not partake in), how about you actually ACHIEVE IT instead of beating the easiest wing of OD, beat your chests in GLFF about how great you are, link your soon to be obsolete first age and think you are the ???? of the walk. And what happened since then? No further progression. Content with mediocre achievements.
Meanwhile, 1 guy from resistance went to BR and learned all he could, came back to his kin with a basic strategy and they evolved from there. A few weeks later, cleared the whole raid.
The difference is clear. Resistance is good. PA is not. I feel bad for you because you seem like a decent enough guy/player but you are backing the wrong horse Johnny.
lol like i told someone already, you dont have enough knowledge of what youre talking about to compete in trolling. which is understandable and only further validates my point that PA doesnt tell anyone about what we've completed (your so called "beating chests in GLFF" unless that was simply the linking of the first ages, as if no one else has linked a first age in GLFF. ill respect my kins wishes and not post what we've done, as thats what people want and i simply dont care, but i will at least tell you that youre wrong lol.
anyways, one guy from BR came back to his live server and exploited a raid to beat it, then made a thread including his kin in it lol. if that wasnt an invitation for utterly epic trolling, i simply dont know what is.
i am backing the horse called Logic. the only disagreement here is whether or not their "strat" is an intended strat or not. and seeing as their own raid leader questions it in tells, do you still think it is the right horse to back?
anyways, one guy from BR came back to his live server and exploited a raid to beat it, then made a thread including his kin in it lol. if that wasnt an invitation for utterly epic trolling, i simply dont know what is.
1st: Innocent until proven guilty.
2nd: One boss fight =/= an entire raid.
3rd: You're livid.
lol like i told someone already, you dont have enough knowledge of what youre talking about to compete in trolling. which is understandable and only further validates my point that PA doesnt tell anyone about what we've completed (your so called "beating chests in GLFF"). as if no one else has linked a first age in GLFF. ill respect my kins wishes and not post what we've done, as thats what people want and i simply dont care, but i will at least tell you that youre wrong lol.
Simply wrong. Do I need to call the 500 witnesses in GLFF to testify?
Originally Posted by Luxord
anyways, one guy from BR came back to his live server and exploited a raid to beat it, then made a thread including his kin in it lol.
i am backing the horse called Logic. the only disagreement here is whether or not their "strat" is an intended strat or not. and seeing as their own raid leader questions it in tells, do you still think it is the right horse to back?
Whether or not it is an exploit is a matter of opinion seeing as how the devs have not commented on it. Therefore the ruling on the field stands. It is a touchdown for Resistance.
Let's be realistic for a second. When hasn't a kinship found some sort of grey area on how to beat a raid and did not continue doing so until the consequences were bans? They didn't use anything that hasn't been used before i.e. burg hipsing in BG, turtle, etc. This is the same tactic but applied to the new raid.
The only people (basically your kinship) in this thread bashing Resistance are just simply jealous of their success and wish they thought of it first.
Last edited by TvTConqueredYou; Apr 19 2011 at 03:16 AM.
My goodness, are the pvp forums really that boring for all the trolls? This isn't about PA vs. Resistance, we've kept our accomplishments as far as raid progression to ourselves, yes we've linked first ages, so has everyone else that's gotten one. If it makes you feel better to think all we do every week is kill disease challenge mode then that's cool go for it.
Also, before you make claims about our kin buddying up with devs on bullroarer, maybe you should actually check to see who was on the private test server, because I most definitely was not. Furthermore Resistance members were on Bullroarer, as were PA members, although not full groups which is evidenced by the fact that I posted for PUGs on the forums, we brought members of the pvp community in with us, and also grouped up with Resistance members. Also, at no time did I talk to any members of a Russian kin, although I do speak Russian so maybe I should have, I also never had any devs in any of our raids although I was active in giving feedback on the forums...
As for the actual issue,
Originally Posted by spockerized
Yes it applies to the boss. Like they haven't changed the tool tips before? Are you new to this game?
So I should expect a tool tip change in the next patch for burgs saying "absorbs group wide fire damage/cancels out an entire boss attack?" I've said this to your kin leader, if you guys can honestly explain to me how this skill is legimately intended to do what it is doing, then all the respect to you for finding this hidden gem. If a dev comes out and says that this is intended, then I will honestly be suprised and be hoping that there are some serious changes to that skill's description.
All I've heard so far is, the mechanic just does this, and because it does this, it's legitimate. Innocent until proven guilty, well, from personal experience, I have seen mechanics that "just work" and continue to work, but are considered exploits and are bannable offences. Remember that guy that one shotted all the BG bosses and claimed server first kills? The mechanic was there in the game, so it must have been totally legit right?
What about all those people with the millions of skirmish marks (yes my kin included, never claimed to be saints here)? The mechanic was there, but people still got 1 month bans for that, and no forewarning that it was "wrong".
I'm sure you guys have done this other ways as well without using the mechanic in question, I have no doubt in Resistance's abilities and know that they are a solid kin, just disappointed that it would be necessary to use a broken skill when you are capable of executing the fights without it.
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Simply wrong. Do I need to call the 500 witnesses in GLFF to testify?
Whether or not it is an exploit is a matter of opinion seeing as how the devs have not commented on it. Therefore the ruling on the field stands. It is a touchdown for Resistance.
Let's be realistic for a second. When hasn't a kinship found some sort of grey area on how to beat a raid and did not continue doing so until the repercussions were bans? They didn't use anything that hasn't been used before i.e. burg hipsing in BG, turtle, etc. This is the same tactic but applied to the new raid.
The only people (basically your kinship) in this thread bashing Resistance is just simply jealous of their success and wish they thought of it first.
i disagree that it is a matter of opinion. it is a matter of reasoning. i have already posted a nice, logical response to it, to which (of course) no one replied.
this same tactic applied to a new raid is the same tactic, you're right. but the disparity between the benefits is HUGE. so i dont know where you were going with that other than to lead me to another point that i hadnt previously thought of.'' sorc pulls in BG could still be done without hips pulling, even if you wiped on it. bosses arent the same way. you can't kill half the boss, wipe, and come back to kill the other half.
personally, if i were to care about this, i would find it hard to be jealous of a kin that beat a raid by using (i wont use exploit this time, ill use "unintended means" the way resistance puts it, even though both carry essentially the same connotations) unintended means. however, thats just me, and obviously i dont have the same mindset seeing as i dont PVE much anymore.
in fact, if i were to care, i would be happy that they did so i could laugh at them upon finding out.
Originally Posted by Nukkaa
1st: Innocent until proven guilty.
2nd: One boss fight =/= an entire raid.
3rd: You're livid.
I want to respectfully apologize to everyone for the trash that is on this thread.
I am going to start a new thread to continue this discussion and the devs or other players can comment on what they believe we did wrong or right. Please do not ruin this otherwise constructive thread that I've worked hard at with posts witch are merely trolling and insulting each other.
If a forum moderator could clear all of this off topic junk to the new thread please do so.
Thank you everyone and great respect to all kins, Professional Awesome and all others included.
-Geoff
Last edited by ofMiceandHobbits; Apr 19 2011 at 03:35 AM.
the last 4 pages of this thread need to be deleted. however, those 4 pages of tangent do reveal a number of things pretty clearly:
1) using a skill to intentionally 100% negate a defining boss attack (such as durin's bane sub-40% special) in a way that is in no way intended is clearly an exploit. surrounding noise can't block out that fact. that said, a) it doesn't negate the group's achievements on other bosses, and b) this isn't the thread for that discussion in any case. take it elsewhere, preferably back to the shadows where exploits thrive. in time, that exploit too will likely be fixed, but this game's dev team doesn't have the manpower to preemptively squash even known exploits unless they're fully game-breaking. ultimately, it is a group's personal and collective honesty that will determine whether they choose to use an exploit or attempt a fight straight up, taking on a challenge as it was meant to be tackled. in these kinds of situations, outside judgment is less important than internal integrity: just because barry bonds is likely not going to jail doesn't mean everyone is going to forget how much of a cheater he is. still, this thread isn't the place for this subject.
2) it's a shame the OP of this thread can't control his own kin members to follow the rules in his own thread. that also speaks to willingness to bend the rules elsewhere.
3) speaking as someone on neither server, the back-and-forth above shows why Elendilmir will always be the far superior raiding environment, because they maintain an adult, mature, mostly collegial, and essentially honest approach to raiding across their top kins. what we've seen from the brandywino raiders of multiple kins above shows that they clearly don't subscribe to that philosophy and many would feel far more at home in WoW's raiding milieu. everyone in the previous four pages is basically guilty, regardless of kin tag. so, big grats to E peeps for displaying achievement and class, unlike some others.
can we get back to using the thread for its intended purpose now?
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Inglorious Disasters (raiding group) of Nimrodel has so far only completed:
Wound Wing T2 (no challenge).
Please feel exceptionally ashamed if you were one of the people participating in the pointless argument in the previous pages. I hope each and everyone of you apologise to the person who created this thread with good intentions.
OfMineandHobbits - apology accepted...though not your responsibility to apologise.
Puny metal sticks not stop Dargnahk!
Kinship: Neled Gwaith - Guardian/Burglar/Captain/Minstrel/Hunter 75. Champion, Lore-master 65 or above. Rune-Keeper (47), Warden (31).
LOL @ the butthurt mediocre kin who spent months on Bullroarer sucking the devs off in hopes of getting clues to the fights meanwhile Resistance went in there and cleaned house. Well-done Resistance. You executed a gameplan in a professional manner and it was awesome to watch. Conquered.
Never thought I'd agree with TvT, but I do.
Originally Posted by Ender111
When have I ever sapped loot from any kin and just left laughing about it?
Note Pro tip HIPS on Durins Bane has been known since ALPHA wont go into details. DEVS decided not to do anything end of story.
Let's drop the flame war. As posted here & as shown in the videos, some raids are using using HiPS to stop the bosses from hitting with their high damage AOE skills on DB and Ivar.
Is that an exploit? If the burg had agro or was specifically targeted, I would say no. But that's not the case, it's a raid-wide AOE that is completely negated by one non-agro having burg. Three burgs can do that twice each and make the boss fights trivial.
I would like to hear from a blue name for an official ruling.
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