Thread: Kinship Revamp Proposal

As many people as have their two cents in on this not sure if it matters at this point, but I'll throw my "heartily agree" into the pot.

The first thing that struck me starting out this game around 3 or 4 months ago was the somewhat limited kin options. Some people don't want needless complication but personally I think the ability to have something like recruit-->member-->senior member-->veteran-->officer-->top brass (leader/XO) adds a nice feel to things and really helps sort people out when a kinship's a bit on the larger side (i.e. recruit to member just comes from being in the kin a certain length of time and proving you aren't an idiot, whereas higher ranks involve being more helpful/participatory/active/etc. Even had a 'doghouse' type of rank below recruit that we would put people in for a span of an hour or so to a full day if they were being idiots,

Ranks also fit in nicely with the idea of a minor housing revamp where you can have an 'officer's lounge' type area with its own chest where one can set the rank requirement (so it could be officer only or senior member on up, etc.)


Some of the calender-esque items are generally handled by kin websites but still might be nice to add in.

Won't go too heavily into the rest given how much detail's already present but to say on most aspects I completely agree.

just read this a second time. Still incredible. Come on Turbine, hire this guy!

Originally Posted by Cyterian

Some of the calender-esque items are generally handled by kin websites but still might be nice to add in.

My kin uses it's own raid planner attached to our forums so I agree, however I think there are plenty of kins/alliances that would probably benefit - a few years ago we struggled getting kin members to visit the forums, so at that time it would have been nice to have an in-game planner that every member had access to without needing to do anything else but play the game.

It would be useful for other things as well perhaps as reminders, birthdays or whatever else a kin might want to plan ahead.

It wouldn't be essential, but if it were there I think people would use it.

Originally Posted by Galuhad

It wouldn't be essential, but if it were there I think people would use it.

I honestly challenge you to try and state an idea we woulden't agree with, and or use. I've got $5.00 that says it would be impossable for you to come up with a bad idea in regards to kinship revamping.

I dont think I have seen ONE person go "no, thats crud, you are a loser"...

Why has this not been put in the game yet or by RoI?

*Two thumbs up*

There are a lot of great ideas here!

Love the ideas! The current kinship structure is definitely in need of some much-deserved love and attention. Currently, it really only provides a glorified chat room for kin members to talk in and the kinship house is more like a place for kinmates to show off trophies than anything else with its limited storage, which has a lack of proper settings such as being able to set withdrawal limits based on item type or amount of items withdrawn.

There is so much that can be done to improve the current kinship structure to make it more appealing to players. I've seen many comments in game from players indicating that they don't see the point in joining a kinship because in their opinion all it gives them is another chat channel to keep track of. By having so many players who never bother to join a kinship because it doesn't offer much, what we end up with is a bunch of people who are only out for themselves rather than working together, which seems at odds with the lore IMHO.

yes i agree the kinship needs a huge revamp, and you have some awesome ideas! Love how you explained everything then gave pics on how it would look like. You did an outstanding job, and again i love your ideas, but my only concern is the bannners for the kinship buffs messing with cappy banner buffs (don't want that to replace the need for cappies). Other than that wow! Hope most of your ideas are considered and put into LOTRO!

Perfect Thread, you made a realy great job !!!

Very good and well-detailed ideas. Turbine should seriously pay a lot of attention to this Thread. If a kinship revamp ever happens I would like Turbine to get influenced by this Thread a lot.

Originally Posted by Telestra777

Love how you explained everything then gave pics on how it would look like.

Thank you, when I created the thread I thought I could just write everything in bullet points but I realised it probably would have a much greater impact if people can see what it is I'm thinking.. So I decided that I would create images to illustrate my point, and hopefully provide a boost of inspiration to the devs.

Originally Posted by Galuhad

Thank you, when I created the thread I thought I could just write everything in bullet points but I realised it probably would have a much greater impact if people can see what it is I'm thinking.. So I decided that I would create images to illustrate my point, and hopefully provide a boost of inspiration to the devs.

well it worked and hopefully one day soon (sooner rather then later) we will see it in a patch note or something

What? How did this end up on page four? C'mon, guys, keep it alive! Sooner or later Turbine's gotta listen! lol

So why arent you hired by turbine yet?

Originally Posted by Silaen

So why arent you hired by turbine yet?

Too expensive? *shrugs*

Just wanted to say as an EU customer that can finally post on these forums: Love the proposal. Looking really good!

it would be to simple for turbine to read the post and all the postive comments......and consider the proposals. Life simply doesnt work that way...there would be no jobs for middle management.

Wow, simply awesome. Would turbine be that awesome? Who knows time will tell but seriously to the OP great work.

I see a month of the kinship coming soon. Make it even year of the kinship with these changes.

Seriously Turbine, implement these ideas. The game is crying out for improvements like this.

Epic-you should work for turbine

/mega signed

This is awesome! Well done! The Kinship system is in need of a serious revamp and this is an excellent starting proposal. I really hope Turbine considers this.

I do think that the Blessings, Banners and Medallions add a bit too much complexity. Nice idea, but complex. We already have so many systems and currencies in the game, more in this area isn't really needed.

But the Kin Bank, Expanded Ranks/Permissions, Kin Log, Event Calendar, Alliances (and others I might be forgetting) are absolutely excellent.

My one idea for possible improvement would be to make a Kin Vault using the Vault 2.0 system. Eliminate the individual Kin chests, but have a single window, with multiple "chest" tabs and can purchase additional storage. Each individual "chest" tab could have unique permissions - which would also accomplish your officer chest idea.

/Signed

This is really nice proposal. Some of other games which i play have similar things implemented.

But probably smaller kinships will see thisas hard to farm this banners and some of deeds.

This really is a wonderful proposal!
The developers should pay serious attention to this.
The only worry I have for when this should get through, is that they'll see it as an excuse to add a figurally speaking million of other Lotro Store buttons..

Awesome ideas mate, well done! And very well presented, the images make all the difference in making the sell. Think this is a game changer. Would seriously like to see a dev chip in now and at least acknowledge these submissions.

And I hope they can swallow their pride for a moment and forget that their own paid devs didn't come up with this. These are great ideas, and they must take them into strong consideration. Like I said: it's a game changer, and ALL for the good.

/ 100% signed!

I think, as a kinshipleader, these things would make my life in lotro soooo much easier! So please Turbine, hear the voices of your community! This thread shows how many people would like to see changes for kins!

*falls on his knees for begging* Please!

Finally! I was made aware of this thread some months ago when it was started and have felt the itch to support it ever since! Now that I'm migrated 'to the West' I can finally say:

What an incredibly detailed and accurate description of exactly the thoughts I've had for a long time about Kinship revamping! Well... apart from the Blessings thing. I hadn't thought of that, but I can see how it could be beneficial, though (in my opinion) not really necessary.

I applaud OPs efforts and wholeheartedly /sign the initiative! May the devs be with you

I can hardly believe that after 16 pages I haven't seen One. Single. Blue name comment on these ideas, they're simply wonderful!

Turbine should hire you. If they would then we'd have made one greater step to revamping systems that need it most.

I can only offer you all the Support I can to implementing these changes. I hope Turbine seriously considers these ideas, because I can only see benefits from them.

this thing is serious!
i would do blessings bit different... but that would be up to turbine...
i see some of these things in WOW...
but i LIKE THIS!
turbine if you are wise enough you will listen to this guy and what he has to offer...
many people like this idea... me too!
hope we see this in the future!

*bows down*

That is a work of art and would be amazing to have, the whole system sounds amazing. I'd love to see that in-game. Come on Turbine, you really need to give this whole kinship idea a re-think, may I suggest you copy - paste the entire thing and use that.

These are awesome ideas! I hope they're implemented, or at least some of the ideas, particularly alliances, calendar, ranks, and kin cosmetics, and officer notes. Not too sure about kin quests etc., or the rewards for that, though i suppose they'd be good enough if the bonuses were made hard enough to get, but still not game changing, well, not completely. Would hate the idea of not being allowed in a raid for example ,(ok, ok i haven't really done any raids myself yet, but i can imagine that this will happen) because you didn't have good enough personal blessings, because you don't like being part of a kinship... While they'd be fun, and a good bonus, I'm not sure whether they should be anything but conveniences, such as the run speed/mount speed, and port skills. Dulls it down a bit, but this seems the only way, to me, that you don't discriminate (is that the right word) against players who do not want to be part of a kinship, and for those who enjoy being in a small kinship, rather than a large one which can complete all the quests easily.

These are alot of great ideas taken from alot of MMOs. All in all this would be a giant step forward. I would love to see this type of kin update taken seriously. +Rep for the time and effort in your post.

Great proposals and thank you for making such a well thought out arguement. Love the ideas and LOTRO is screaming for a more up to date Kinship format.

I hope Turbine listen and implement at least the parts which we all consider a must already.

Good work.

You really put lot of effort into this and most of your ideas are great and presentation is just amazing.

BUT

I must strongly disagree with blessings and banners as rewards. This is not as easy as it might seem. You must think about rewards that does not disadvantage other kinships and players that can not (or do not want to) join ''strong'' and populated kinships. I know it seems like great idea giving huge rewards to these 'elite' ones... and here's another problem, you will just make them feel more elite, hard to communicate with and let's say maybe even asocial to people outside their kinship.

Again, you did great job here and I just made my point here based on my previous experiences with MMOs.

Probably has already been said, but it should be a link between the ingame Kinship system and my.lotro. More or less like a social "web".

im wondering if isengard haves any kinship changes....

Sapience i'm waiting for your quote on this post

Wow these ideas are amazing, if only it would happen.

Yeah, I'm not so keen on the blessings n stuff. I dont like the idea that someone who really doesn't want to join a kin, cuz lots of groups have drama... and would be left out of the benefits. Add to that, if you were trying to get into a PuG or a semi kin fellowship you might get ignored because you didnt have any of these bennies.

Now if kin rewards consisted of more kin chest, travel opportunities from kin house, cosmetics (which you did remarkably with) I could get behind that. I tried suggesting something like that in another game. I'm thinking that with well developed ideas like that if a company decided to use one of them they'd have to get legal permission to 'take' it from the OP. Otherwise they'd have to have time stamped notes of when THEY came up with it.

You have any idea how insistant legal departments are? I could be 100% wrong on this but your original post might have prevented any of this happening for that reason. If it were 'borrowed' from another online entity maybe. I"m not legally qualified to say what is acceptable and what isn't. I would not be surprised that this might be part of the reason you don't see a blue name commenting.

btaim, Its a good presentation with some excellent ideas.

Originally Posted by Xhiu

Yeah, I'm not so keen on the blessings n stuff. I dont like the idea that someone who really doesn't want to join a kin, cuz lots of groups have drama... and would be left out of the benefits. Add to that, if you were trying to get into a PuG or a semi kin fellowship you might get ignored because you didnt have any of these bennies.

Now if kin rewards consisted of more kin chest, travel opportunities from kin house, cosmetics (which you did remarkably with) I could get behind that. I tried suggesting something like that in another game. I'm thinking that with well developed ideas like that if a company decided to use one of them they'd have to get legal permission to 'take' it from the OP. Otherwise they'd have to have time stamped notes of when THEY came up with it.

You have any idea how insistant legal departments are? I could be 100% wrong on this but your original post might have prevented any of this happening for that reason. If it were 'borrowed' from another online entity maybe. I"m not legally qualified to say what is acceptable and what isn't. I would not be surprised that this might be part of the reason you don't see a blue name commenting.

btaim, Its a good presentation with some excellent ideas.

Most of the underlying systems are not unique and already exist in other MMOs, I'm sure Turbine could manage this as well without needing permission from me.. If they ever did do something like this I would expect the designers to come up with their own UI. However, if they did need my permission then I would gladly give it. I'm a kin leader who feels that the kinship system really needs to be worked on, and I put this post together for that exact reason.

Atlantica Online has a very good guild/kin system whereby 8 guilds can join together as a nation they have daily guild quests guild crafting system and guild training dungeons all of which inspire a very community based MMO.


The way I see it kinships in LOTRO just seem to be a way of organising events and socialising a kin housing seems to be a glorified storage/trophy cabinet. Please turbine take not of this thread cos there are some very good ideas here