It blows my mind why the loot from the 3 mans would be 100x better than the loot from the raid...although most of what I have seen from the 3 mans isnt that great.
It blows my mind why the loot from the 3 mans would be 100x better than the loot from the raid...although most of what I have seen from the 3 mans isnt that great.
The best stuff has to be accessible to non-raiders. I wouldn't be surprised to see a trend of the really good stuff dropping from hard-mode 3-man stuff, with raid rewards scaled back to armour and a couple comparable but not really better weapons and pieces of j00lz.
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Every time we get an update, I see that previous chapters or volumes of the books and some other small/fellow quests are being made soloable.
So more and more the game is going towards being MMOOPRPG, Massive Multiplayer Online One Player RPG. This is just one step more in that direction. I dont say its a bad thing, its just where we, the players, are moving and the game just goes along.
So I think its just natural that the 3-ppl instances get better gear, the vast mayority of players play in samll closed groups even inside kins.
Thats just my opinion.
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The best stuff has to be accessible to non-raiders. I wouldn't be surprised to see a trend of the really good stuff dropping from hard-mode 3-man stuff, with raid rewards scaled back to armour and a couple comparable but not really better weapons and pieces of j00lz.
No it doesn't.
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I do not have the link saved, a kinnie had it as their url in vent and I looked at it real quick but from what I can remember it was: dont remember exact dps but it had a max dmg of 194 or so 1handed sword 23 might/agi/vit/will 138 melee crit, 104 max morale +5% Dev Mag on use for 1m w/ 3m CD
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I do not have the link saved, a kinnie had it as their url in vent and I looked at it real quick but from what I can remember it was: dont remember exact dps but it had a max dmg of 194 or so 1handed sword 23 might/agi/vit/will 138 melee crit, 104 max morale +5% Dev Mag on use for 1m w/ 3m CD
Anything dev clicky with that low of a cooldown is crazy. Sure it's dev mag? Regardless I'll be running it to get this sword alone.
Anything dev clicky with that low of a cooldown is crazy. Sure it's dev mag? Regardless I'll be running it to get this sword alone.
yes I am 100% sure it is Dev mag on the sword. The dev mag alone is worth it not to mention how hard it will make your off-hand hit for, I mean right now I use mirist with top end dmg of 162.... 162 vs 190 somthing hmmm lol
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There is also a nice bracelet that drops from the HM chest in this instance atleast imo. I am at work so I cannot post the screenies I have but will do so when I get home, either way the stats are 23 might/vit 225 max morale 138 block and the same proc as Insidious Cuffs. I know what some people are thinking "No agi no good" well with my current setup the loss of agi drops my crit % by .3(insignificant in the grand scheme) but the bracelet overall increases my morale by about 70 or so and it gives a nice reflect dmg proc.
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Some of the new gear seems promising, and for that I am grateful, but +5% dev magnitude is such an infinitesimal addition to your DPS...
5% dev mag is acctually quite big when applied to your already existing dev especially if you use Arthar and they are able to stack making your Dev Mag 30% at the time, if you can get a Dev while that is up the numbers will be massive.( I do not know if they can stack or not)
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5% dev mag is acctually quite big when applied to your already existing dev especially if you use Arthar and they are able to stack making your Dev Mag 30% at the time, if you can get a Dev while that is up the numbers will be massive.( I do not know if they can stack or not)
So what you're saying is that if you add to that 5% bonus ANOTHER bonus which is five times as large, the original number is 'actually quite big'.
I think what you mean to say is either "Arthar provides a much bigger bonus" or "every little bit helps."
I know what some people are thinking "No agi no good" well with my current setup the loss of agi drops my crit % by .3(insignificant in the grand scheme) but the bracelet overall increases my morale by about 70 or so and it gives a nice reflect dmg proc.
It isn't just the crit chance, it's also the miss chance, I mean, i would definitely consider a new bracelet, unless is drops my agi below 600. It sounds nice, actually, but you always have to remember that agility is a lot more than just crit chance.
It isn't just the crit chance, it's also the miss chance, I mean, i would definitely consider a new bracelet, unless is drops my agi below 600. It sounds nice, actually, but you always have to remember that agility is a lot more than just crit chance.
Not to mention with crit capped at 15%, 0.3% is a lot higher than it seems, roughly 4.5% in a 100% system (if my math is right this early in the morning). Especially compared against 70 max morale when most champs are sitting above 6100hp right now, and damage procs are so low as to basically be useless in most content.
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the orange sword is +5% devastate chance, not devastate magnitude. so yes, it is that good.
Wow, that one item will drive huge traffic through the raid. Here's hoping there's 1-2 more that get other classes worked in to an equally uncontrollable frenzy...cause that is insane.
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As far as oranges go, there's also a pretty decent Burg necklace and a somewhat underwhelming tactical cloak (though my knowledge of tactical gear is poor at best)
I do not have the link saved, a kinnie had it as their url in vent and I looked at it real quick but from what I can remember it was: dont remember exact dps but it had a max dmg of 194 or so 1handed sword 23 might/agi/vit/will 138 melee crit, 104 max morale +5% Dev Mag on use for 1m w/ 3m CD
Pleasepleaseplease get us that screenie. Can you check your browser history? Can you tell your kinnie to post here? Pleeeeeease?
the orange sword is +5% devastate chance, not devastate magnitude. so yes, it is that good.
That makes it one of the best items ever put in the game. Maybe the single best. Every single hunter, burg, and champ will use this sword if they can get it.
So what you're saying is that if you add to that 5% bonus ANOTHER bonus which is five times as large, the original number is 'actually quite big'.
I think what you mean to say is either "Arthar provides a much bigger bonus" or "every little bit helps."
As Balbaroy pointed out it is Dev Chance I put the wrong stat, however even if it was dev mag, if your using 2 of the 7.5% settings you are sitting at 15% so if you were able to turn that 15% into 20% that is quite substantial and it would be especially noticable if you were using Arthar because with the clicky and the proc you would be sitting at 45% dev mag.
Originally Posted by Heo1234
It isn't just the crit chance, it's also the miss chance, I mean, i would definitely consider a new bracelet, unless is drops my agi below 600. It sounds nice, actually, but you always have to remember that agility is a lot more than just crit chance.
Your right I did neglect to mention that I just didnt pay much attention to it because I can keep my agility in the 600 range with some easy tweaks,
Originally Posted by DemonicLemming
Not to mention with crit capped at 15%, 0.3% is a lot higher than it seems, roughly 4.5% in a 100% system (if my math is right this early in the morning). Especially compared against 70 max morale when most champs are sitting above 6100hp right now, and damage procs are so low as to basically be useless in most content.
With the new upcoming relic system I can cap myself at 15% crit with the bracelet equiped so yeah I will take all the morale I can get because it helps in pvmp which is where the the dmg proc will come in handy aswell, any kind of dmg you can reflect back onto your opponent in pvmp helps out.
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Introducing a ridiculous item with that bonus (If it's true) is pretty much the last refuge of people who either have no idea how to properly itemize instances (check) or make decent armour sets (PvP? check, Helegrod/DN/OD/etc? check) for the sole purpose of making all those classes run this instance. Compared with first age weapons I'd sooner pick this offhand. Sad.
So out of whack, it's unbelievable. I'd be happy to be proven wrong.
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+5% to dev magnitude chance? That would be awesome if its true. Screenie or it didn't happen. Ya know I saw bigfoot this one time...
Originally Posted by Thorandril
Introducing a ridiculous item with that bonus (If it's true) is pretty much the last refuge of people who either have no idea how to properly itemize instances (check) or make decent armour sets (PvP? check, Helegrod/DN/OD/etc? check) for the sole purpose of making all those classes run this instance. Compared with first age weapons I'd sooner pick this offhand. Sad.
So out of whack, it's unbelievable. I'd be happy to be proven wrong.
Lol, too funny. Everyone is screaming "we need a wig-feld QQ". Then we get one and the first reaction is omg this is OP and ridic compared to everything else. Well guess what, its supposed to be a wig-feld, and very desirable and OP (if it exists). This item would prove that turbine does have a dev that knows how to itemize. Please make more rare items like this. This item won't break the game either since it is rare and esp since the level cap will increase in a year to a year in a half (they won't make ROI in 2011 methinks).
Less qq more shing shing.
PS: I think its a little unreasonable to expect the best set bonus in the game (anything better than bg set bonus would make all the OD sets pale in comparison) for the 2nd raid in a row
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Introducing a ridiculous item with that bonus (If it's true) is pretty much the last refuge of people who either have no idea how to properly itemize instances (check) or make decent armour sets (PvP? check, Helegrod/DN/OD/etc? check) for the sole purpose of making all those classes run this instance. Compared with first age weapons I'd sooner pick this offhand. Sad.
So out of whack, it's unbelievable. I'd be happy to be proven wrong.
Sad but true, I mean just look at the latest dev diary "•A sword that increases light damage taken by the target" champs hate their set bonus because its useless?? I know lets add a wep that makes it seem usefull instead of just changing the set bonus!!!!!
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Lol, too funny. Everyone is screaming "we need a wig-feld QQ". Then we get one and the first reaction is omg this is OP and ridic compared to everything else. Well guess what, its supposed to be a wig-feld, and very desirable and OP (if it exists). This item would prove that turbine does have a dev that knows how to itemize.
Wig-feld had nothing on this.
Not that I'm complaining. I'm just annoyed that I'm in a kin with so many other champs/burglars.
Introducing a ridiculous item with that bonus (If it's true) is pretty much the last refuge of people who either have no idea how to properly itemize instances (check) or make decent armour sets (PvP? check, Helegrod/DN/OD/etc? check) for the sole purpose of making all those classes run this instance. Compared with first age weapons I'd sooner pick this offhand. Sad.
So out of whack, it's unbelievable. I'd be happy to be proven wrong.
What do you think that's gonna drop from? If I had to guess, I'd say probably the hard mode chest on the last boss, tier 2 of the raid. And it's orange, so it's gotta be a really rare drop.
Will you still say all that if the sword is as rare as the unwelcome mat? How many people do you think will actually have this even after the update has been live for 6 months? A year?
This is exactly what they should be putting in. Rare loot that everyone will still be talking about years down the road that very few people will actually have. Don't get me wrong, the set bonuses still need changed for the armour, but this is exactly what rare, HM raid drops should be - the best loot in the game.
So there's 1 hypothetically (until SS is shown, don't believe it) awesome offhand, thus turbine itemization = awesome? I haven't even completed the BG raid, nor do I have any desire to. I haven't completed Warg pens or even Dungeons because there's really nothing good in there for champions. The only decent champion offhand drops off Durchest and I've only killed him a couple of times with no luck, so I'm stuck with a mace that has fate on it...
I'd sooner they give a vast array of decent offhands to choose from, rather than either making us sacrifice DPS for stats or the other way around. Pigeon-holing me into 1 single good offhand (or 2 if I do LT HM and use the axe) that I need to raid for is not my idea of decent itemization.
I didn't want another wigfeld, I wanted choice. What I can tell so far is 2 tollochs will be replaced with 2 of the new, better versions to offset the loss of morale from the relic update...and not much else.
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Sad but true, I mean just look at the latest dev diary "•A sword that increases light damage taken by the target" champs hate their set bonus because its useless?? I know lets add a wep that makes it seem usefull instead of just changing the set bonus!!!!!
I don't know about you but I remember hoards of Champs crying their eyes out when they first saw the Champ BG set in Beta. OMG Blade Wall already gives you a pip 100% of the time with Stalwart Blade, that's a giant bag of suck!!! Here we are though, once people actually got the set and realized the Set(5) bonus was just very poorly worded, talking about how awesome it is and how nothing else can compare. I think you're gonna see the same thing here once people actually get the set and try it out.
Anyway, no one has seen the stats on that sword. It could increase the peanut butter in my PB&J for all I care so long as the rest of the stats are an increase over Mirist. It's pretty stupid to whine about how dumb the bonus is before you even see the stats on the weapon.
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I don't know about you but I remember hoards of Champs crying their eyes out when they first saw the Champ BG set in Beta. OMG Blade Wall already gives you a pip 100% of the time with Stalwart Blade, that's a giant bag of suck!!! Here we are though, once people actually got the set and realized the Set(5) bonus was just very poorly worded, talking about how awesome it is and how nothing else can compare. I think you're gonna see the same thing here once people actually get the set and try it out.
Anyway, no one has seen the stats on that sword. It could increase the peanut butter in my PB&J for all I care so long as the rest of the stats are an increase over Mirist. It's pretty stupid to whine about how dumb the bonus is before you even see the stats on the weapon.
QFT. I def was scratching my head when I saw the set bonus but now am convinced it is the best in this game out of any set for any class (and yes it beats the rift sets handily).
I think the new OD set will be recognized as the 2nd best champ set (replacing moria sets position as 2nd best) in the game primarily because of the 3 set bonus (fervour return on remorsless crit).
Think about this, with the new relics you can get your crit to 15% and dev to ~6% easily. Get the new offhand (if it exists). dev goes to 11%. Trait the strikes trait for increased strike skills crit. Dev would go to 12% ish? for strike skills. I don't have the inclination to number crunch atm. So, that is a ton of fervour you will be getting back from a wa, bw, remorsless dw rotation. Yeah, you will want to dw obviously. With that offhand, OD set just got a lot tastier.
*If indeed this thing exists.
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I don't know about you but I remember hoards of Champs crying their eyes out when they first saw the Champ BG set in Beta. OMG Blade Wall already gives you a pip 100% of the time with Stalwart Blade, that's a giant bag of suck!!! Here we are though, once people actually got the set and realized the Set(5) bonus was just very poorly worded, talking about how awesome it is and how nothing else can compare. I think you're gonna see the same thing here once people actually get the set and try it out.
Anyway, no one has seen the stats on that sword. It could increase the peanut butter in my PB&J for all I care so long as the rest of the stats are an increase over Mirist. It's pretty stupid to whine about how dumb the bonus is before you even see the stats on the weapon.
the BG set bonus is not poorly worded for it says exactly what it does "blade-wall will generate a ferv pip whenever it scores a critical hit" that is pretty freaking clear and if you dont understand how AOES work thus not understanding how the set bonus works that was the communitys fault, because the first time I read it I thought it did exactly what it does.(yes I remember the complaining and I also remember thinking it was a stupid complaint)
The point of the post is a case of the devs not knowing what we acctually want so they put in an item like this instead of building the gear properly and with all the complaining about the 6peice set bonus(the 3peice one is amazing I would use it) of Flurry turning your auto attacks into light dmg they didnt change the set bonus they are just adding an item that will help make it more usefull, possibly making auto attacks quite powerful. So are you going to argue aswell that untill I see how the True Heroics set bonus works on the pvp set I cant complain, because I can tell you this I do not use that skill in the moors and gear with ****** stats and but a CD for the skill isnt going to make me use it either. Another example is all classes have 2 raid sets, if they understood the champ they would have made one set geared towards line strike dps and one set geared towards aoe dps, but they didnt, they made a tanking champ set and a untill proven otherwise lack luster dps champ set.
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Another example is all classes have 2 raid sets, if they understood the champ they would have made one set geared towards line strike dps and one set geared towards aoe dps, but they didnt, they made a tanking champ set and a untill proven otherwise lack luster dps champ set.
Don't we get three sets? At least based on what the instance update diary said, we'd have a rare and an incomparable set, and then a tertiary set based on "A second set of raid armour with different skill mods applied. This should satisfy those players wishing to support their non-traditional, non-group-focused trait line".
Since a champ's role as an off-tank is our traditional secondary role, and one can't really off-tank and be "non-group-focused", I'm reading that to mean there will be three sets. I haven't been on Bullroarer at all and I know there've only been the two new teal sets linked up so far, but is that just bad wording on the part of the dev who wrote that diary? Or are champs just getting screwed by off-tanking being our "non-traditional non-group-focused" trait line?
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There's four sets for each class, two Tier I (purple) and two Tier II (teal). The Tier I sets are pretty much junior versions of the Tier II sets.
Originally Posted by shibby5556
the BG set bonus is not poorly worded for it says exactly what it does "blade-wall will generate a ferv pip whenever it scores a critical hit" that is pretty freaking clear and if you dont understand how AOES work thus not understanding how the set bonus works that was the communitys fault, because the first time I read it I thought it did exactly what it does.(yes I remember the complaining and I also remember thinking it was a stupid complaint)
Incorrect. When the Champ set was in Beta the set bonus read "Blade Wall has a 10% chance to generate a pip". See Darzil's site if you want a refresher, he still has the original wording. People raged. Later people got the set and saw what it really did...it was so awesome people assumed it was bugged. The wording was changed later to reflect the fact that the set actually generated a pip every time Blade Wall crit, and that the awesomeness was WAI and not a bug.
Perhaps you didn't see the set bonus until the wording was changed?
I think the new set is going to be a repeat performance. I expect the Set(5) bonus will add a light damage proc to all your auto attacks with Flurry active, not the "change damage type to Light Damage" that has everyone so worked up. People will put on the new set, see an extra 24-36 Light damage on every auto attack with Flurry running, and get all gooey over the new set.
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There's four sets for each class, two Tier I (purple) and two Tier II (teal). The Tier I sets are pretty much junior versions of the Tier II sets.
Incorrect. When the Champ set was in Beta the set bonus read "Blade Wall has a 10% chance to generate a pip". See Darzil's site if you want a refresher, he still has the original wording. People raged. Later people got the set and saw what it really did...it was so awesome people assumed it was bugged. The wording was changed later to reflect the fact that the set actually generated a pip every time Blade Wall crit, and that the awesomeness was WAI and not a bug.
Perhaps you didn't see the set bonus until the wording was changed?
I think the new set is going to be a repeat performance. I expect the Set(5) bonus will add a light damage proc to all your auto attacks with Flurry active, not the "change damage type to Light Damage" that has everyone so worked up. People will put on the new set, see an extra 24-36 Light damage on every auto attack with Flurry running, and get all gooey over the new set.
I soo hope you're right, either way I gotta get it only because it is a new set :P.
the BG set bonus is not poorly worded for it says exactly what it does "blade-wall will generate a ferv pip whenever it scores a critical hit" that is pretty freaking clear and if you dont understand how AOES work thus not understanding how the set bonus works that was the communitys fault, because the first time I read it I thought it did exactly what it does.(yes I remember the complaining and I also remember thinking it was a stupid complaint)
The point of the post is a case of the devs not knowing what we acctually want so they put in an item like this instead of building the gear properly and with all the complaining about the 6peice set bonus(the 3peice one is amazing I would use it) of Flurry turning your auto attacks into light dmg they didnt change the set bonus they are just adding an item that will help make it more usefull, possibly making auto attacks quite powerful. So are you going to argue aswell that untill I see how the True Heroics set bonus works on the pvp set I cant complain, because I can tell you this I do not use that skill in the moors and gear with ****** stats and but a CD for the skill isnt going to make me use it either. Another example is all classes have 2 raid sets, if they understood the champ they would have made one set geared towards line strike dps and one set geared towards aoe dps, but they didnt, they made a tanking champ set and a untill proven otherwise lack luster dps champ set.
The point of this thread is that, apparently unlike BG, there will be some godly non-set loot that drops here along with some good, clear upgrade gear. In other words the non-set loot is improved over BG.
I think even the light damage shows an idea of what champs want. Adding some bonus to Flurry is one way to get people to stop wearing BG - I have to agree with the other person that this is probably poorly worded. If they're actually adding some free extra damage of a different type on a buff skill that everyone uses anyhow, that's, uh, good. What skill, when modified, is going to trump BW? Flurry is a good candidate. You should also keep in mind that all this stuff is still not final.
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