Thread: Hobbit stealth and stealth levels

Greetings i tried searching for an answer to these questions: couldn't find it

1st: as a hobbit you get a trait called hobbit stealth. this trait says -3 to stealth level.

2nd: i see items that give you a + to stealth level.

which is it? do you want your stealth level to be + or -, and is there anywhere to see your current stealth level?

Plus is better, Hobbit Stealth is a race trait, so any hobbit can get it, not just a Burg or Warden, because of that fact, it is weaker than normal stealth that are from class skills.

Ok thanks for the reply

To answer your second question, you want + stealth. Basically, your level is your stealth level. So, lets say that you are a level 45 hobbit burg. If you use your hobbit racial stealth, your stealth level would be 42 (hobbit racial is -3 to stealth level). If you used your regular burg stealth, it would be 45. Enemies generally have stealth detection equal to their level, with some exceptions (archers, wargs, enemies with perception buffs, elites, etc.), so having a higher stealth level helps you to stay concealed against same or higher level enemies/enemies with better perception. It's like when you see a stealth warg on your main. It is a lower level than you, so your perception is higher than it's stealth level, if that makes any sense. I'm on my second pot of coffee, so I've had to completely re-write this three times so that it would make sense.

Basically, don't bother traiting hobbit stealth if you are a burg.

Also, when you are sneaking past stuff you don't want to aggro, try to do it from their back side and as quickly as possible. In this case + stealth run speed is arguably better than + stealth detect.

Originally Posted by flabajaba

To answer your second question, you want + stealth. Basically, your level is your stealth level. So, lets say that you are a level 45 hobbit burg. If you use your hobbit racial stealth, your stealth level would be 42 (hobbit racial is -3 to stealth level). If you used your regular burg stealth, it would be 45. Enemies generally have stealth detection equal to their level, with some exceptions (archers, wargs, enemies with perception buffs, elites, etc.), so having a higher stealth level helps you to stay concealed against same or higher level enemies/enemies with better perception. It's like when you see a stealth warg on your main. It is a lower level than you, so your perception is higher than it's stealth level, if that makes any sense. I'm on my second pot of coffee, so I've had to completely re-write this three times so that it would make sense.

Still don't understand what you wrote.

KIDDING!! KIDDING!!

*runs away before someone throws a shoe*

I don't understand why Hobbits are worse for stealth than Humans? After all Tolkein quite clearly says that they are, "a stealthy race adept at remaining hidden when the big folk come blundering along". So shouldn't Hobbits gain a +3 to stealth rather than a -3 to stealth? and shouldn't Humans have the -3 to stealth to remain faithful to Lore?

Originally Posted by podgie_bear

I don't understand why Hobbits are worse for stealth than Humans? After all Tolkein quite clearly says that they are, "a stealthy race adept at remaining hidden when the big folk come blundering along". So shouldn't Hobbits gain a +3 to stealth rather than a -3 to stealth? and shouldn't Humans have the -3 to stealth to remain faithful to Lore?

You are confusing the Hobbit racial skill Hobbit-Stealth skill with Burglar class-skill Sneak.

Because Hobbits are "a stealthy race", they get can go into stealth regardless of what class they are. Hobbit-stealth is not as good as burglar Sneak, and gets a -3 stealth penalty. It can also only be used once every half hour. Since burglar stealth is so much better, burglars rarely use Hobbit-stealth.

As a race, men do not get stealth -- they must be a burglar to be able to stealth using burglar Sneak.

Hope this helps!

Thanks for that, was beginning to wonder if my new Burglar being a Hobbit was a mistake! And yes I was linking Stealth and Sneak together as if they were the same thing.

Hobbit burgs are tracked in the Ettens. Man burgs aren't. But that's only a corner of play and if you only PVE it shouldn't matter.

However, because hobbit race skills are stealthy (hobbit-stealth, hobbit flop) and mirror some burg skills, a Man might be a better choice. Add in man-heal, BPE and incoming healing, and there's quite a case for a Man.

That said, my burg is a hobbit 'cos he's cute :3

Originally Posted by Aedfrith

Hobbit burgs are tracked in the Ettens. Man burgs aren't. But that's only a corner of play and if you only PVE it shouldn't matter.

You mean by wargs... I prefer to be tracked by warg than BA.

Wargs with Enhanced Sense Prey (rank 9, but can be obtained sooner with Turbine Points) can track anyone, stealthed or not. No getting around that. However, hobbits can only be tracked by wargs, either with Sense Prey or a hobbit tracking consumable (stacks up to 20, the version that works on stealth is rank 3 I believe). Man burglars, on the other hand, can be tracked by wargs (with Sense Prey), blackarrows, and warleaders. (Blackarrows and warleaders are both Uruks, and at rank 3 can get a man-tracking consumable that stacks up to 20 and works on stealthed men. I believe the one that works on non-stealthed men is available at rank 0.)

Hobbit stealth is not be worth traiting for a hobbit burglar for regular PvE, but it is useful in the Ettenmoors. If you're stealthed and get the "You feel as though you are being followed" warning, you have to toggle off burglar stealth to shake it off. But if you have hobbit stealth traited, you can simply switch to that for a moment, shaking off the track without actually unstealthing, then switch back to burglar stealth. If hobbit stealth is on cooldown or you don't have it traited, you must unstealth and re-stealth to throw off the track (or get out of range). Only being able to be tracked by wargs and being able to throw off tracks without unstealthing are two stealth advantages hobbit burglars have over man burglars. When going to the Ettenmoors, I'd replace Hobbit Silence with Hobbit Stealth. Hobbit Silence is really only useful against Non Player Characters. Monster players won't be fooled -- they'll see your morale bar isn't 0 and gather around you, likely making your situation even harder to escape.

Originally Posted by podgie_bear

Thanks for that, was beginning to wonder if my new Burglar being a Hobbit was a mistake! And yes I was linking Stealth and Sneak together as if they were the same thing.

Every race other than human is a mistake. Humans get +5% incoming healing... it completely trumps all other bonuses from all other races (including all the remaining human bonuses) combined. It's stupidly good.

Originally Posted by Reillan

Every race other than human is a mistake. Humans get +5% incoming healing... it completely trumps all other bonuses from all other races (including all the remaining human bonuses) combined. It's stupidly good.

Not for the Ettenmoors. There isn't a day that goes by without me wishing I was a hobbit.

Originally Posted by MrFreddy

Not for the Ettenmoors. There isn't a day that goes by without me wishing I was a hobbit.

And there isn't a day that goes by without me wishing I was a man.

Hobbits get tracked by wargs. The most annoying class to get tracked by.

Originally Posted by Reillan

And there isn't a day that goes by without me wishing I was a man.

Hobbits get tracked by wargs. The most annoying class to get tracked by.

Men also get tracked by wargs. And BA's. And WL's.

Originally Posted by MrFreddy

Men also get tracked by wargs. And BA's. And WL's.

Wargs can buy Hobbit tracking charms, Spiders can buy Dwarf tracking charms, Orcs (Reaver and Defiler) can buy Elven tracking charms and Uruks (Blackarrow and Warleader) can buy Men tracking charms.
http://www.the-rangers.net/joomla/in...o-monster-play

Basically, as a man burg, if you get tracked by a warg, you can stealth again and get away. As a hobbit, YOU CANNOT ESCAPE.

Originally Posted by Reillan

Basically, as a man burg, if you get tracked by a warg, you can stealth again and get away. As a hobbit, YOU CANNOT ESCAPE.

Why? Enhanced Sense Prey and hobbit track share the same cd (and have the same length, 1m). The difference in range can be useful but generally isn't a factor, 90m is a very solid distance.