Thread: Cool Action Shots.

This is when the action began...



This is 15 minutes later... as you can see it looks as if either Rusty or Zbug has burrowed.



Another 10 minutes... I think they're psyching up for the next battle.



And finally...the moment you all have been waiting for! The freeps!



Hope everyone enjoyed it as much as I did, and a huge gratz for all those who must have ranked.

I think you'd immerse the audience more with HD pictures.

Cool story bro.

Gee thx. Im testing it out on you guys. If it's well recieved, I'm thinking about using it for bedtime stories.

Originally Posted by ellestone

Gee thx. Im testing it out on you guys. If it's well recieved, I'm thinking about using it for bedtime stories.

Maybe if it had hologram images of before/after shots.

Maybe its just me, but why is a Burg hanging out anywhere near EC?

Originally Posted by Gladgilrian

Maybe its just me, but why is a Burg hanging out anywhere near EC?

Lol is this a serious question? Im sorry, I really dont know if youre messing with me or not.

I want to wear those cool 3D glasses I wore when I saw Avatar. Stop arguing amongst yourselves I want all the attention dang it.

Originally Posted by Gladgilrian

Maybe its just me, but why is a Burg hanging out anywhere near EC?

IDK, I ask myself the same question when I go there on my burg... Prob because it's too easy to f up a noob warg the fail zergs in... Or better yet it's where rusty burrows !!!

...or TR HS sometimes, but that's like 20m away. IDK I just follow him around in stealth anyways and /tickle O.o

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Ec is a great place to make friends on a burg. And when I say make friends I mean kill stuff.

./shrug Seems all the Freeps that QQ that Creeps are always at EC/Stab are the same ones that are always at EC/Stab, see how that works?

Personally when on my Burg, I go to RC's, map spots, map quest gathering spots, or if I have to be near EC/Stab, on the TA side of a red Stab to kill any Creeps that are running away, but I was never afraid of dying on any of my Freeps or Creeps.

I don't think anyone QQ's about Creeps at EC/Stab. I think most Freeps just laugh that Creeps are too simple-minded to realize that the fight could be taking place somewhere else if they chose to move away from it.

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Originally Posted by olagaton3434

I don't think anyone QQ's about Creeps at EC/Stab. I think most vet Creeps just laugh that some Freeps and noob Creeps are too simple-minded to realize that the fight could be taking place somewhere else if they chose to move away from it.

Fixed it for you.

Originally Posted by Gladgilrian

./shrug Seems all the Freeps that QQ that Creeps are always at EC/Stab are the same ones that are always at EC/Stab, see how that works?

yea man i agree with that to a certain degree.

Originally Posted by Gladgilrian

Personally when on my Burg, I go to RC's, map spots, map quest gathering spots, or if I have to be near EC/Stab, on the TA side of a red Stab to kill any Creeps that are running away, but I was never afraid of dying on any of my Freeps or Creeps.

unfortunately on a small server like ours, there are some times where there just are no creeps out questing, or not enough to make it worth it running around like that all the time. And furthermore, considering that there are times when 100% of the logged creeps are in a raid... It can be difficult pulling solo kills, rez kills, also, if there is anymore than one defiler out, people are usually being revived. Sad as it is, a burg on Nimrodel is forced to find the main fight sometimes, unless he/she is content with sitting in stealth waiting watching his/her friends/enemies PVP without them.

Originally Posted by Gladgilrian

Fixed it for you.

It didn't need fixing. You are as guilty as anyone for making my statement stand.

Originally Posted by EdalorTrailtamper

yea man i agree with that to a certain degree.



unfortunately on a small server like ours, there are some times where there just are no creeps out questing, or not enough to make it worth it running around like that all the time. And furthermore, considering that there are times when 100% of the logged creeps are in a raid... It can be difficult pulling solo kills, rez kills, also, if there is anymore than one defiler out, people are usually being revived. Sad as it is, a burg on Nimrodel is forced to find the main fight sometimes, unless he/she is content with sitting in stealth waiting watching his/her friends/enemies PVP without them.

I can agree with some of that, I disagree that 100% of Creeps are in a raid and the same with Freeps, not the same raid anyways. Here's what I usually do on Creep and Freep, the exception is when I'm immediately invited to a BB group. I go to EC/Stab and look around and I can usually get an idea on numbers. If I see lots of healers I forget about rez camping and then camp paths to the fight. If after 20 minutes or so passes and I see nothing, then I go where the fighting is, not much anyone can do about that, but I will still go wander about after 30 minutes or so.

Take last night, and heres where I'll give huge props to Vengeance for sticking it out and moving the fight away from EC/Stab. They initially came to EC/Stab, our group had just finished wiping Groms' group in the Delving when it went out over OOC that Freeps were at EC so we went there and wiped the Vengeance raid. After that there were NO fights at EC/Stab, none, zero, zilch.

That just goes to show you that vet Creeps will go wherever the Freeps are. Yes there are Creeps that don't even know there are places other than EC/Stab, and anyone that has spent any time on Creepside has heard me berate them for staying there 24/7. Seems to me thats why Freeps go there, its easy pickings, a bunch of greenies, bluies, and low level reds that are pulling An every 30 minutes. Why do you think I prefer a blue TA? No An

I would like to see a 1 week moratorium where no one goes to EC/Stab, meaning the vet Creeps and Freeps. All it takes is a commitment and the will to do it.

Originally Posted by olagaton3434

It didn't need fixing. You are as guilty as anyone for making my statement stand.

Unless you are standing over my shoulder and watching me there's no way to backup your falsehood, ask around, there are many Freeps that find me away from EC/Stab, some profit from it, other times I profit from it.

Originally Posted by olagaton3434

I don't think anyone QQ's about Creeps at EC/Stab. I think most Freeps just laugh that Creeps are too simple-minded to realize that the fight could be taking place somewhere else if they chose to move away from it.

...quite frankly thats a blantant lie. Many, many times BB groups have stayed away from EC/Stab and Freeps won't come anywhere near us, they're just content to farm the nubs. Its the Freeps that dictate where the fight is, not Creeps, actually it should be the side with lesser numbers, but sometimes thats hard to determine. Last night proves this, your kin raid stayed away from there and we followed you wherever you went. Wouldn't you agree, or did I imagine that? Props again to Vengeance. It would be nice if you guys showed the regular Freeps how it could be, but I wouldn't blame you guys for not wanting some of these Freeps in your raids, I wouldn't.

Originally Posted by Gladgilrian

Unless you are standing over my shoulder and watching me there's no way to backup your falsehood, ask around, there are many Freeps that find me away from EC/Stab, some profit from it, other times I profit from it.

Do you ever go to EC/Stab and stay when there is no actual fighting there? Yes, you do. Statement stands, without having to stand over your shoulder. Just because you're guilty of it doesn't mean you don't do other things too. Don't confuse the two.

Originally Posted by olagaton3434

Do you ever go to EC/Stab and stay when there is no actual fighting there? Yes, you do. Statement stands, without having to stand over your shoulder. Just because you're guilty of it doesn't mean you don't do other things too. Don't confuse the two.

If there's no fighting there why would I stay? I already said I go there to get a feel for whats going on, it is the NEXUS O' THE MOORS!!!, but I'm referring to people that are there long periods of time, Creep and Freep, you know.....what the OP was referring to.....(funny thing is that the OP is incriminating himself as well)

Camping map spots is sometimes tho rarely widely successful, camping the rez only works if (like Ed said) no defilers are out, when creeps are grouped which they usually are, the best bet is to roam the map so you can destroy noobs like Ezsra who apparantly cant double team a solo freep and gladly offers them a chunk of renown


As a burg who often tails the creep raid, I can remember many times when creeps will wipe freeps in tr (cool, good for you guys, way to pvp), they flip tr, then (heres the exciting part) the creeps (with the BB as their nucleus) walk from TR door to stab, yes Spidey i have seen you with this group many times, I find this action to be particularly hilarious because why would freeps (after wiping in a keep and failing to save the cg) move the fight to stab? it makes no sense and ruins pvp for some time, some time indeed

Rusty- "defend you keep"
yes this mentality is very relevant to when freeps are raided and you wipe them or Anirien decides to sit at GV and says creeps are afraidtocampgv but when you wipe unraided freeps at TR and then proceed to stab and wait like you have done many times (creeps have not done this every time but once is more than what should happen and it has happened alot) its just fail

Originally Posted by ellestone

This is when the action began...



This is 15 minutes later... as you can see it looks as if either Rusty or Zbug has burrowed.



Another 10 minutes... I think they're psyching up for the next battle.



And finally...the moment you all have been waiting for! The freeps!



Hope everyone enjoyed it as much as I did, and a huge gratz for all those who must have ranked.

Well hey,
if your complaining about there being no action,
your more than welcome to attempt to kill something there

Originally Posted by wabaaam

As a burg who often tails the creep raid, I can remember many times when creeps will wipe freeps in tr (cool, good for you guys, way to pvp), they flip tr, then (heres the exciting part) the creeps (with the BB as their nucleus) walk from TR door to stab, yes Spidey i have seen you with this group many times, I find this action to be particularly hilarious because why would freeps (after wiping in a keep and failing to save the cg) move the fight to stab? it makes no sense and ruins pvp for some time, some time indeed

Rusty- "defend you keep"
yes this mentality is very relevant to when freeps are raided and you wipe them or Anirien decides to sit at GV and says creeps are afraidtocampgv but when you wipe unraided freeps at TR and then proceed to stab and wait like you have done many times (creeps have not done this every time but once is more than what should happen and it has happened alot) its just fail

True, but what do you want us to do? go to GV and camp 1-shots? (which freeps most likely wont go out of their range) I've seen Brunholt go take Sop and try for a fight there (sometimes works, othertimes doesn't), but other than that there isn't much choice for either side, until creeps lose numbers (which takes about 10-15 minutes) or more freeps come out..and when that happens they either sit up at GV waiting to see what the creeps are doing or go, you guessed it, straight to EC. Either way the fight, unfortunately, goes right back to EC, whether either side is there or not. Until there's an alternate fighting area [OR would be nice, or Isen (minstrels needed for this to happen)] then this will keep happeneing over and over.

Doesn't matter if there's actually creeps at EC or not, its the last npc haven for freeps in a redmap (other than HH, but fights there rarely happen). And also, when the map turns red, the first thing most creeps will do is DP farm and get maps...which leads to An. The other creeps (usually BB or any organized group) will go to BV and see if the freeps come out (while myself or other wargs go up to GV to see if there's any freeps even there).

Might as well face it, EC fights are no fun, 1-shot fights are no fun, and this leads to dreadful PvE and both sides losing numbers (or freeps coming out in masses). Suggestion: use the safe path out of GV more and keep the freep raid on the move, come out around OR and either go around Isen-area or set up camp there. Wargs can only follow/scout so much, the rest is chance on seeing the raid at a keep or roaming around. Keep moving, find a good place to setup, and send out tracks/use captain banners if you want creeps to find you. ./2cents

Originally Posted by Elgalad

True, but what do you want us to do? go to GV and camp 1-shots? (which freeps most likely wont go out of their range) I've seen Brunholt go take Sop and try for a fight there (sometimes works, othertimes doesn't), but other than that there isn't much choice for either side, until creeps lose numbers (which takes about 10-15 minutes) or more freeps come out..and when that happens they either sit up at GV waiting to see what the creeps are doing or go, you guessed it, straight to EC. Either way the fight, unfortunately, goes right back to EC, whether either side is there or not. Until there's an alternate fighting area [OR would be nice, or Isen (minstrels needed for this to happen)] then this will keep happeneing over and over.

Doesn't matter if there's actually creeps at EC or not, its the last npc haven for freeps in a redmap (other than HH, but fights there rarely happen). And also, when the map turns red, the first thing most creeps will do is DP farm and get maps...which leads to An. The other creeps (usually BB or any organized group) will go to BV and see if the freeps come out (while myself or other wargs go up to GV to see if there's any freeps even there).

Might as well face it, EC fights are no fun, 1-shot fights are no fun, and this leads to dreadful PvE and both sides losing numbers (or freeps coming out in masses). Suggestion: use the safe path out of GV more and keep the freep raid on the move, come out around OR and either go around Isen-area or set up camp there. Wargs can only follow/scout so much, the rest is chance on seeing the raid at a keep or roaming around. Keep moving, find a good place to setup, and send out tracks/use captain banners if you want creeps to find you. ./2cents

Creeps usually flip TR on ungrouped lesser Freeps which kills pvp

Solution: only flip tr on a freep raid, you arent big by raiding up and flipping it on a few solo freeps, Rusty will always push into TR which is awesome, my only problem is why flip it after getting your dp from the cg? the only thing it does is move the fight to EC, thats it, its pointless

Originally Posted by wabaaam

Creeps usually flip TR on ungrouped lesser Freeps which kills pvp

Solution: only flip tr on a freep raid, you arent big by raiding up and flipping it on a few solo freeps, Rusty will always push into TR which is awesome, my only problem is why flip it after getting your dp from the cg? the only thing it does is move the fight to EC, thats it, its pointless

I can't tell you how many times a full raid(+) of freeps has flipped Lug for the buff and just to see a full blue map...creeps (myself included) don't think freeps deserve to have a keep if they wouldn't give us the same.

Also, even if TR isn't flipped, it won't help the PvP at that moment: freeps won't go near TR because they just got rolled there, and undermapped creeps will flip it to get maps. Sure, leaving TR for freeps might help PvP the next day, but by then freeps might've gotten a raid and flipped it anyway, which would help with action..creeps defending TR is better than creeps defending STAB.

Lugi, its not our fault if Freeps log as soon as we clear the first floor and a handful stay. Freeps use to defend keeps to the death, but Freep leadership has instilled a sense of defeatism in most of the Freeps. Some of the best fights I've had on my Freeps was defending keeps. I really see no difference in PvP if Freeps or Creeps have a rez or not, btw I hate TR rez, TA being blue puts me in my happy palce though.

Question, how many times have you tailed us when you didn't know where we were (I know, its a trick question). Do you actively look for us when we aren't at Stab? No, but we usually find you after some Creep hollers in OOC. Not bashing you, thats what Burgs do. Hint: We "turtle" at old TR HS regularly, or at WCR.

The whole EC/Stab debate is pointless (thank you, Blondie), its a dog chasing its tail. Freeps go there because nubs are farming An (and yes we kill An too, out of boredom), we go there because thats where the Freeps are, nubs go there because thats all they know, on and on, ad nauseum.

I think you all are missing the context of the crudely done SS's of the OP (timestamps would help, the first 3 are the exact same shot if no one has noticed, Creeps havent moved an inch, NPC hasn't changed position, it could 10 minutes or 10 seconds) that Creeps just sit at Stab for long periods of time when no Freeps are there, some Creeps do, but not all Creeps. Some Freeps so the exact same thing, including the OP. A handful roam the map solo or in small groups, Volo, Brunholt, Essy, and some Burgs. I guarantee I could make SS's with timestamps of Freeps doing the same damn thing.

Im always on the creep raids tail and calling it out in OOC, but only when the freeps are not actively fighting the creeps, its in self interest of course, i cant gank noobs wondering looking for the creep raid if freeps arent killing them and spreading the creeps out

not flipping TR on a smaller freep force would be a radical change, but i dont see how it couldnt fix the stab/EC problem

I still say if TR means so much to you then defend it.

I seriously cannot believe you people are still spouting the same **** for the past ...ALMOST 4 YEARS!

Originally Posted by BLoNdiE

I seriously cannot believe you people are still spouting the same **** for the past ...ALMOST 4 YEARS!

i wasnt here 4 years ago O_O ......does that make me look like a noob?

Originally Posted by wabaaam

i wasnt here 4 years ago O_O ......does that make me look like a noob?

Yes. Not catching up on information and spouting the same thing that's been said before 950235923068239062 times makes you a noob. You said it, I just clarified xD

Originally Posted by BLoNdiE

the same thing that's been said before 950235923068239063 times

I can't believe you'd flip TR for srs.

Note my quote edit ;D

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Originally Posted by Gladgilrian

Freeps use to defend keeps to the death, but Freep leadership has instilled a sense of defeatism in most of the Freeps.

That was back when freeps didn't form raids, or flock to them, unless a keep needed defending or taking. By my recollection, most of the fights genuinely were small and spread all over the map. It wasn't just some pipe dream that people forums-post about or claim to have found on other servers. The whole PvMP culture was different back then, by my recollection.

Maybe those are just nostalgia-distorted memories. In any case, all this talk is just that. No amount of it is going to mend people's values and habits.

I don't think it's fair to say "Freeps do X" and "Creeps do X" we need to start naming names! Let me begin: Some champion called Fervour turns up to the 'moors asks "where is the action?" he hears it's at STAB so he goes there, he goes to the 'moors for fun he doesn't care about finding solo creeps and seeing large amounts of purple numbers float away he cares about having fun and sticking his 2handed sword into anything that will take it.

Originally Posted by Goblin_of_Moria

he cares about having fun and sticking his 2handed sword into anything that will take it.

Don't people go to jail for that?

Anywho, it's a 2 party system. Both sides have to make an effort to promote fighting elsewhere besides EC/stab.

Originally Posted by Aeginor

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