Thread: More rep horses coming in Lotro Store.. the rep system is ruined :/

And more rep mounts in lotro store..... http://www.lotrosteeds.com/
Since rep mounts in the game dont have E/P/B ,the only difference they have from mounts from the store is morale, so basically lotro store sells rep mounts, and from what i remember from free to play beta devs said they wouldnt add rep mounts in lotro store because teh feedback was big and negative

Speaking of Horses..Left a dead one around here somewhere, anyone see it??

Do people really care anymore?

Originally Posted by RicardoFurriel

Do people really care anymore?

Just one apparently.

Originally Posted by soylentplaid

Just one apparently.

Nope, thousands but they are just bored to come here o the forums and post because they know that there are the guards of Turbine , the defenders of Turbine in the forums(people like you all) and thats why they dont bother because you make people get tired with your defensive stance on everything bad that Turbine does
start thinking about whats good for lotro and not for the company or for you

Originally Posted by Grampsaz

Speaking of Horses..Left a dead one around here somewhere, anyone see it??

I think I tripped over it on the way in...

Originally Posted by Eric...

Nope, thousands but they are just bored to come here o the forums and post because they know that there are the guards of Turbine , the defenders of Turbine in the forums(people like you all) and thats why they dont bother because you make people get tired with your defensive stance on everything bad that Turbine does
start thinking about whats good for lotro and not for the company or for you

Ah, the ever popular "voiceless thousands support me" technique.

Seriously, if you want to argue and lament about rep horses being added to the store, just go re-read one of the several threads that were created for just that purpose...no opinions were changed, no details are different, so after the third chorus of doom all you'll find is people either ignoring or mocking you. It's done, the horses are not identical, and obviously there's not enough negative feedback going to Turbine to have them reverse the policy.

Just want to point out, that 'Warden Steed' doesn't sound like an existing rep mount, except in name. It says it has a 'saddle bag' and is decorated with 'the seven stars of Westernesse'... no horse currently has that.

Originally Posted by Eric...

And more rep mounts in lotro store..... http://www.lotrosteeds.com/
Since rep mounts in the game dont have E/P/B ,the only difference they have from mounts from the store is morale, so basically lotro store sells rep mounts, and from what i remember from free to play beta devs said they wouldnt add rep mounts in lotro store because teh feedback was big and negative

Well I can see that the sky is falling on Middle Earth once again. Everyone under their desks!

Maybe they'll give you a special horse with your refund from the Mirkwood expansion you paid 50% for and still complained once it went free.

Please stop with all the doom and gloom. If you feel that badly about the current situation then go play something else. If you're really concerned about the game and not so much with what others think or say then send Turbine some direct feedback. They have a system for that and you won't have to worry about others thinking that you're just trying to cause trouble on the boards.

Originally Posted by CWood

Which is always countered by the "snotty wise-***" approach... Really, anything anyone says in this thread is going to be an internet cliche, so we might as well just have fun with it. I'll go first:

lol nub

A fine cut sir, and now I repost...


No u

Have at thee!

*Edit to add: Fear my mighty time-travel skills apparently!

Originally Posted by soylentplaid

Ah, the ever popular "voiceless thousands support me" technique.

Which is appropriately countered by using the "snotty wise-***" maneuver... Really, anything anyone says in this thread is going to be an internet cliche, so we might as well just have fun with it. I'll go first:

lol nub

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Edit to add: I may have figured out why the posting order goes wonky (or at least one reason). I re-edited this post several times in quick succession (not including this one) trying to get the first bit to sound good, and Soylent had replied by the time I was done editing. Our posts ended up flip-flopped. I'm thinking the window where you can edit a post without the "Last edited by..." tag showing up at the bottom might be the cause.

Originally Posted by soylentplaid

No u

You used a capital on "no". I'm pretty sure that's bad internet grammar.

Originally Posted by CWood

You used a capital on "no". I'm pretty sure that's bad internet grammar.

Curses, foiled again.

betrayed by an errant shift key.

Originally Posted by CWood

Edit to add: I may have figured out why the posting order goes wonky (or at least one reason). I re-edited this post several times in quick succession (not including this one) trying to get the first bit to sound good, and Soylent had replied by the time I was done editing. Our posts ended up flip-flopped. I'm thinking the window where you can edit a post without the "Last edited by..." tag showing up at the bottom might be the cause.

I believe you have the right of it. odd quirk.

Good. I have several rep horses, but someone else dropping $12-15 to buy one doesn't bother me one bit. I play for my own enjoyment, and don't really care how some stranger plays. If he wants to drop $100 on horses for his main character, great! He's helping to fund more game development that I'll probably enjoy. It would be a different story if they were going for 50 TP each, but that's not the case... I hope they sell these things by the 10s of thousands.

Khafar

Khafar has it right. The more pseudo-rep mounts (or mounts in general) that Turbine sells in the store take us further and further away from more radical products added to the store. Turbine wants to make a profit off of the store, so they are selling modified rep mounts there. That, in my opinion, is better than selling high-end gear, or other offerings that would take us into the realm of Pay-to-Win.

Originally Posted by Khafar

Good. I have several rep horses, but someone else dropping $12-15 to buy one doesn't bother me one bit. I play for my own enjoyment, and don't really care how some stranger plays. If he wants to drop $100 on horses for his main character, great! He's helping to fund more game development that I'll probably enjoy. It would be a different story if they were going for 50 TP each, but that's not the case... I hope they sell these things by the 10s of thousands.

Khafar

I was about to write up a long winded and belligerent post that had the same content as this post here.

So.. Um... I'll just give you +rep and a:

QFT

Edit: Also, like so many other silly threads regarding goods offered in the store, I'll just get the rep horses the old fashioned way, because I like seeing all of my rep bars nice and full. I'd rather spend 5g in game, than 10$ of RL money any day of the week.

Originally Posted by Eric...

And more rep mounts in lotro store..... http://www.lotrosteeds.com/
Since rep mounts in the game dont have E/P/B ,the only difference they have from mounts from the store is morale, so basically lotro store sells rep mounts, and from what i remember from free to play beta devs said they wouldnt add rep mounts in lotro store because teh feedback was big and negative

Accept the fact that nothing in LOTRO is sacred anymore. You kind of have to go into Jedi mode and just let things go. I can't wait to see what happens when Turbine runs out of horses and cosmetics to sell. Better make up a big bowl of popcorn for that day.

Originally Posted by Cithryth

Just want to point out, that 'Warden Steed' doesn't sound like an existing rep mount, except in name. It says it has a 'saddle bag' and is decorated with 'the seven stars of Westernesse'... no horse currently has that.

The Esteldin rep horse and the Grey Company rep horse both sport those points, although I believe they may be referring to the Esteldin rep horse in this case given that the rangers acted as border-wardens and I doubt that they would sell one of the newest-designed horses on the sto--heh. Can you believe I almost made it the whole way with a straight face?

Originally Posted by 0rdinary0wl

Accept the fact that nothing in LOTRO is sacred anymore. You kind of have to go into Jedi mode and just let things go. I can't wait to see happens when Turbine runs out of horses and cosmetics to sell. Better make up a big bowl of popcorn for that day.

They'll just design another Nazgul horse or other evil-looking cosmetic that everyone will jump at. I don't think us subscribers will ever see a new free feature ever again in this game--they're even selling the damn emotes these days.

Originally Posted by AgamemnonV2

The Esteldin rep horse and the Grey Company rep horse both sport those points, although I believe they may be referring to the Esteldin rep horse in this case given that the rangers acted as border-wardens and I doubt that they would sell one of the newest-designed horses on the sto--heh. Can you believe I almost made it the whole way with a straight face?

Yes, the second horse listed is definitely the Esteldin rep horse as the description matches the horse in game as does the icon and the name of the horse.

But I really think the 'Warden's Steed' that is described is new, unless they just can't describe their own horses correctly.

It says...

• Liver Chestnut (which would match the Bree-starter Steed and the Men of Bree Steed, not the Wardens of Annuminas horse which in game is called the Dark Chestnut horse)
• Has a blanket and a Saddle Bag (Which would match a couple of the new horses, but not the WoA horse. The WoA horse only has a weird orange and white checkered blanket, no bags)
• Decorated with 'the Seven Stars of Westernesse (which doesn't match any horse in game at the moment. The star on the Esteldin horse and Grey Company horse have the seven pointed star of the Rangers, but that's totally different)

Whether they would sell a brand spanking newly designed horse is another matter entirely. However I am surprised that they would let a new looking horse fly under the radar like this... unless like I said they just failed at describing one of the old horses.

EDIT: wait, unless they put in a new Warden's horse on the Nov 29 update and I somehow missed that? EDIT 2: Just checked, only horse for WoA in game is the Dark Chestnut.
Still feel like I'm going nuts though! XD

Originally Posted by AgamemnonV2

they're even selling the damn emotes these days.

Which can still be earned by completing the secret deeds. You can spend 10 days begging people to emote spam you to unlock the emotes, or just walk on over to the store.

A few days ago, while I wan on an alt getting the theatre titles, someone did the /heropose emote. Another person asked how to get the emote, and the first response was 'in the store'. I decided to explain how secret deeds worked, and that you can still get those emotes the long, hard way.

Once again, the store is merely a shortcut. You can spend money or burn points that you've accumulated through normal play. You can also do it the old fashioned way.

Originally Posted by Karhald

Which can still be earned by completing the secret deeds. You can spend 10 days begging people to emote spam you to unlock the emotes, or just walk on over to the store.

A few days ago, while I wan on an alt getting the theatre titles, someone did the /heropose emote. Another person asked how to get the emote, and the first response was 'in the store'. I decided to explain how secret deeds worked, and that you can still get those emotes the long, hard way.

Once again, the store is merely a shortcut. You can spend money or burn points that you've accumulated through normal play. You can also do it the old fashioned way.

I'm pretty sure there are store exclusive emotes.

Originally Posted by 0rdinary0wl

I'm pretty sure there are store exclusive emotes.

Ah yes, those. For some reason I was thinking exclusively about secret deed emotes.

Thank you for your correction.

Originally Posted by Cithryth

Yes, the second horse listed is definitely the Esteldin rep horse as the description matches the horse in game as does the icon and the name of the horse.

But I really think the 'Warden's Steed' that is described is new, unless they just can't describe their own horses correctly.

It says...

• Liver Chestnut (which would match the Bree-starter Steed and the Men of Bree Steed, not the Wardens of Annuminas horse which in game is called the Dark Chestnut horse)
• Has a blanket and a Saddle Bag (Which would match a couple of the new horses, but not the WoA horse. The WoA horse only has a weird orange and white checkered blanket, no bags)
• Decorated with 'the Seven Stars of Westernesse (which doesn't match any horse in game at the moment. The star on the Esteldin horse and Grey Company horse have the seven pointed star of the Rangers, but that's totally different)

Whether they would sell a brand spanking newly designed horse is another matter entirely. However I am surprised that they would let a new looking horse fly under the radar like this... unless like I said they just failed at describing one of the old horses.

EDIT: wait, unless they put in a new Warden's horse on the Nov 29 update and I somehow missed that?
For somereason this description on a horse that isn't even in the Store yet is really driving me nuts lol.

Esteldin rep horse =/= Wardens of Annuminas rep horse. I suppose you have missed the Esteldin rep horse? It's the liver chestnut steed with the same design as the Grey Company steed (saddles, blanket, and sports the Star of Numenor). It's the only horse I could possibly think they are talking about.

Originally Posted by Karhald

Which can still be earned by completing the secret deeds. You can spend 10 days begging people to emote spam you to unlock the emotes, or just walk on over to the store.

Uh, no, I am referring to the new emotes, like the one that has you breakdancing on the floor and what not. Those you can only earn in the store. Even the Enedwaith emotes are extremely restrictive, considering they require you to have a LV65 character AND to have him kindred with two factions that require at least a month's worth of time to reach said standing. Or you can drop a few measly points and buy it on the store. |: \

You "the store is merely convenience" jokers are really stretching this joke thin when horses that can take half a year to earn are put up for auction, after the store-exclusive Nazgul horse was sold, AND after those +1100 morale and power pots were sold (which can't be crafted in-game). The game hasn't been about convenience in a long while, it's been about making money off of lazy people.

Originally Posted by Karhald

Ah yes, those. For some reason I was thinking exclusively about secret deed emotes.

Thank you for your correction.

No problem. There aren't many. I always wished they would put a deed tracker in for them, but right now that would probably be counter productive for Turbine.

Originally Posted by AgamemnonV2

Esteldin rep horse =/= Wardens of Annuminas rep horse. I suppose you have missed the Esteldin rep horse? It's the liver chestnut steed with the same design as the Grey Company steed (saddles, blanket, and sports the Star of Numenor). It's the only horse I could possibly think they are talking about.

No, like I said I know about the Esteldin rep horse. But...

1. That's not a liver chestnut horse
2. There are *2* new horses being advertized as being put into the store. One is this ambiguous 'Warden's Steed' and the other is 'Esteldin Steed'

Copy pasted directly from the LOTRO official advertizement site:

The Wardens' Steed
A striking liver chestnut steed, complete with saddle bag, horse blanket, and decorated with the Seven Stars of Westernesse. This steed has 150 health and allows the character purchasing it to travel at 162% speed.

and...

The Steed of Esteldin
A sleek palomino steed with a braided mane and flaxen tail, a rich leather saddle and sturdy breastplate. This steed has 150 health and allows the character purchasing it to travel at 162% speed.

To further prove I am only (slightly) crazy:
Picture of the Bree-starter/Men of Bree rep Horse , titled 'Prized Liver Chestnut Steed'
Picture of Wardens of Annuminas Horse, titled 'Prized Dark Chestnut Steed'
Picture of Esteldin Horse, titled 'Prized Esteldin Horse'

EDIT: Maybe I should take this to its own thread and stop derailing the 'Rep is ruined' topic at hand.

Originally Posted by AgamemnonV2

Uh, no, I am referring to the new emotes, like the one that has you breakdancing on the floor and what not. Those you can only earn in the store.

Yup, I was wrong there, sorry 'bout that.

Originally Posted by AgamemnonV2

Even the Enedwaith emotes are extremely restrictive, considering they require you to have a LV65 character AND to have him kindred with two factions that require at least a month's worth of time to reach said standing. Or you can drop a few measly points and buy it on the store. |: \

So... spend the time and effort to earn it in game, or drop some cash for it in the store. Effort vs. Convenience.

Originally Posted by AgamemnonV2

You "the store is merely convenience" jokers are really stretching this joke thin

Is that really necessary? Let's keep this mature.

Originally Posted by AgamemnonV2

when horses that can take half a year to earn are put up for auction, after the store-exclusive Nazgul horse was sold, AND after those +1100 morale and power pots were sold (which can't be crafted in-game).

The morale/power over time pots are store exclusive, that is true. The Steeped Power and Morale pots don't need to be purchased in the store. You can pick them up quite easily from barter vendors in Mirkwood and Enedwaith.

Originally Posted by AgamemnonV2

The game hasn't been about convenience in a long while, it's been about making money off of lazy people.

You mean... people who would rather spend money on conveniences, than spend time on earned rewards?

The game hasn't been about convenience in a long while, it's been about making money off of lazy people.

that's sort of the point of a in game store for conveniance purposes.
I mean what the heck did you expect when they said "conveniance"?

Originally Posted by AgamemnonV2

Uh, no, I am referring to the new emotes, like the one that has you breakdancing on the floor and what not. Those you can only earn in the store. Even the Enedwaith emotes are extremely restrictive, considering they require you to have a LV65 character AND to have him kindred with two factions that require at least a month's worth of time to reach said standing. Or you can drop a few measly points and buy it on the store. |: \

I said it once, I'll say it again - most emotes have no place as rep rewards. If they're not representative of any particular faction, they just don't belong there. The store got it right, the Enedwaith rep list got it wrong, IMO. And I'm fine with that. Any way we argue about it, it does not make the case that the "rep system is ruined."

Originally Posted by AgamemnonV2

You "the store is merely convenience" jokers are really stretching this joke thin when horses that can take half a year to earn are put up for auction, after the store-exclusive Nazgul horse was sold, AND after those +1100 morale and power pots were sold (which can't be crafted in-game). The game hasn't been about convenience in a long while, it's been about making money off of lazy people.

And I said this once, too, and I'll say it again: Convenience is advantage. Quit trying to capitalize on early F2P Turbine PR doublespeak. It's been months. Look at the state of the store; look at the F2P gambit's success. Pandora's box is open, steak's done, the Jello is jiggling.

Nothing is ruined. I win the game with nothing more than the occasional maps and cosmetic purchases from the Store. The existence of the Store utterly has not made a difference to my motivation to do reputation quests and reap my rewards in due time.

All this LOTRO equine fixation, frankly, is getting exasperating. There is more to this game than these petty horses. Pick one and play.

If the bad, evil Store is having a de-motivational effect on individuals, there are personality issues involved beyond the responsibility of this game.

It really doesn't make any difference to my gameplay where people get their horses. To put it bluntly......I don't care.

Originally Posted by Eric...

And more rep mounts in lotro store..... http://www.lotrosteeds.com/
Since rep mounts in the game dont have E/P/B ,the only difference they have from mounts from the store is morale, so basically lotro store sells rep mounts, and from what i remember from free to play beta devs said they wouldnt add rep mounts in lotro store because teh feedback was big and negative

Rep horses have 250 morale. The store horses have 150 morale.

These are not rep horses.

Nothing to see here. Move along.

Originally Posted by mjk47

Rep horses have 250 morale. The store horses have 150 morale.

These are not rep horses.

Nothing to see here. Move along.

The extra 100 morale is hardly a bonus. We were originally told B/P/E ability, too, but they couldn't deliver and now say they may never do.

But there's no longer any point fighting it. Turbine will continue to chase store purchases at every opportunity, and if people are willing to pay, they'd be fools to not, even if it is hypocritical of they who told us for three years that rewards need to be earned.

+100 HP is a massive bonus. At least 3 more hits. Reputation horses also soak critical hits. These store horses are insta-dismount on criticals. You will almost never get dismounted from an actual rep horse unless you stop riding in the middle of mobs.

But who cares if the actual horse is a thousand times better right? They have the same skin so lets equip our pitchforks and torches and march towards Turbine HQ.

I feel horrible that they are selling cosmetic fluff in store instead of actual advantage. It's so unfair to all those players who had worked so hard on their reputations by doing regular quests like they already would, buying rep items off auction house (or just collecting them as they kill monsters everyday), doing easy repeatables or running instances.

...

To be honest, I supported the idea that the store mounts section should ONLY have store-exclusive mounts and temporary horse whistles. But I am not exactly bothered by the addition of pseudo-reputation mounts. Some people seem to feel like their "achievements" have been devalued by this. Your mount is still better. It may look the same, but it is still different. You also have your title and discounts and all that other stuff from reaching kindred.

It's not like getting kindred with factions were difficult in this game anyway. Merely time consuming.

I can understand people who feel like this. While many can say that this doesnt affect people's gameplay, wel its not entirely true. Let me explain this a bit.
Just think that after a very long trip and mnay months of gameplay you have reached at last to the Goldenwood(Lothlorien to those who not know) then much later you have become kindred and you buy the rep horse and after awhile Turbine sells the lothlorien horse in the store and then you see everyone riding it in Bree or anywhere else
That makes the horse not special and rare,so i kind of agree with this. i dont like this too

If a F2Per hasn't purchased the removal of the gold cap of 2 gold they won't ever be able to afford an actual rep steed since those are over 5 gold even with the discount, hence the pseudo-rep steeds in the store. Not sure how much TP it costs to remove the gold cap but it's probably not cheap and this a way for F2pers to get a mount that looks like the actual rep mount and the money generated allows Turbine to fund new content. Win/win.

Personally it doesn't bother me one way or the other what steeds are in the store - I'll buy things from the store if/when I want them, since it's MY money/monthly VIP TP stipend I'll be spending.

Besides, there aren't any actual rep steeds in the store and Turbine has clearly stated that even if the steed(s) happen to have the same skin they won't have the same stats and that they would be weaker versions - and that's exactly what we're seeing now. Turbine made a statement and is following through with it - nothing to see here.

While I understand the indignity of it all (How dare they mess with your horses!?), I really couldn't care less about Turbine's adding horses to the store. If even one F2P customer purchases points to buy one of the spiffy mounts, it's a win for me: more revenue for Turbine helps them churn out more content.

Hell, they can add the Galadhrim War-horse to the store for 4k points and have my blessing. It's nice to use, since when I got it not many others on my server had it. But frankly it doesn't match my preferred cosmetics, so it can be a bit of an eye-sore.

My then lvl 27 guard "earned" the Lonelands Eglain horse by turning in the repeatable crafting quest loads of times on top of doing most of the regular quests.

At that level the benefit of riding a 250 morale rep horse over a 150 morale standard mount is massive. As she levels up the benefit of that extra morale will decrease but is always tangiable even up to level 65 (not that I'm anywhere near that on that particular alt lol). So basically even though store bought and in game earned rep horses look the same in the practical sense the in game earned rep horse is superior. I try to get in game rep horses for my alts for practical reasons not aesthetic ones although on my higher level alts I do collect the ones I like the look of.

Do I feel cheated by the in store replica skin horses? No. Good luck to anyone who wants to spend real $ on cosmetics

I'm just disappointed it took so long for someone to whine about it when that announcement has been in the store since before Christmas.

Another thread about store-bought horses killing the rep system? Really?

Originally Posted by Brandon_Blackbird

I'm just disappointed it took so long for someone to whine about it when that announcement has been in the store since before Christmas.

LOL - it probably took so long because the only people left playing this game are the "I love Turbine, put everything in the store because I can't be stuffed earning it in game because I have a life, wife, husband, job and more money than sense."

Meanwhile, I agree, the rep system is a joke now. But I think that in an effort to make it look like this game is alive and kicking Turbine keep pushing the store, adding more things, sending out more email about the store etc etc. Won't it be refreshing when they actually add something meaningful to the game this year and they can actually advertise something other than "Win Turbine points!" or "50% off this pointless item in the store!!"

Sigh.