Putting together some of the ancillary clues, perhaps Linaewen in Nevrast? "Linaewen was the name of that mere, because of the multitude of birds that dwelt there, such as love tall reeds and shallow pools." It's a lake not a hollow (The word means "Lake of Birds") but just before that, Nevrast, the land that it is in, is described as "a hollow land, surrounded by mountains and great coast-cliffs higher than the plains behind."
* * * "From without the World, though all things may be forethought in music or foreshown in vision from afar, to those who enter verily into Eä each in its time shall be met at unawares as something new and unforetold."
Putting together some of the ancillary clues, perhaps Linaewen in Nevrast? "Linaewen was the name of that mere, because of the multitude of birds that dwelt there, such as love tall reeds and shallow pools." It's a lake not a hollow (The word means "Lake of Birds") but just before that, Nevrast, the land that it is in, is described as "a hollow land, surrounded by mountains and great coast-cliffs higher than the plains behind."
And the BUG gets the no-prize.
Nevrast, from which Turgon led the Elves to Gondolin in 116 FA, was inhabited only by the birds for centuries afterwards.
BeB having been especially delinquent in posting a new one, I am going to toss in something that occurred to me the other day. It has the potential to be either rather easy or especially wicked. BeB, you can take my turn on the one-word riddle thread if you want.
That is correct. For super bonus points, can you name another moon dance that doesn't involve an elf princess?
Gandalf, speaking after spending the night at Beorn's lodge;
"There must have been a regular bears' meeting outside here last night. I soon saw that Beorn could not have made them all: there were far too many of them, and they were of various sizes too. I should say there were little bears, large bears, ordinary bears, and gigantic big bears, all dancing outside from dark to nearly dawn."
Like I told you... What I said...Steal your face right off your head.
Gandalf, speaking after spending the night at Beorn's lodge;
"There must have been a regular bears' meeting outside here last night. I soon saw that Beorn could not have made them all: there were far too many of them, and they were of various sizes too. I should say there were little bears, large bears, ordinary bears, and gigantic big bears, all dancing outside from dark to nearly dawn."
That is correct, although there is an even better passage that appears on the next page of The Hobbit in which Bilbo dreams of bears dancing in the moonlight.
Ungoliant famished for the holy light of Valinor, the Two Trees, and the Silmarils?
* * * "From without the World, though all things may be forethought in music or foreshown in vision from afar, to those who enter verily into Eä each in its time shall be met at unawares as something new and unforetold."
Gimli and Galadriel. Gimli and Eomer. Gimli and Lobelia Sackville-Baggins! /scandalous
* * * "From without the World, though all things may be forethought in music or foreshown in vision from afar, to those who enter verily into Eä each in its time shall be met at unawares as something new and unforetold."
"Nay, you are excused for my part, lord," he said. "You have chosen the Evening; but my love is given to the Morning. And my heart forebodes that soon it will pass away for ever."
The Return of the King: "Many Partings," p. 253
This is what I was thinking of, yes.
Gimli and Lobelia Sackville-Baggins! /scandalous
O_o
/runs screaming
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Gah, I was certain it was Galadriel--the rest was meant as a joke, not a ballot-stuffing. :blush:
Anyway...
"Condensed Polyphemus"
* * * "From without the World, though all things may be forethought in music or foreshown in vision from afar, to those who enter verily into Eä each in its time shall be met at unawares as something new and unforetold."
Thrain (though I think he usually cooked his meat).
Ding! You are nimbler and more sly than Odysseus himself!
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* * * "From without the World, though all things may be forethought in music or foreshown in vision from afar, to those who enter verily into Eä each in its time shall be met at unawares as something new and unforetold."
Gah, I was certain it was Galadriel--the rest was meant as a joke, not a ballot-stuffing. :blush:
As I said, that was the passage I had in mind. I'd also have taken 'Galadriel and Arwen' as an answer, since they are the 'Attractive Opposites' mentioned.
My first thought is the day of the week called Menelya, Ormenel, or Hevensday which corresponds closely with our Wednesday, and is translated as such by Tolkien. Wednesday is, of course, derived from "Odin's Day".
* * * "From without the World, though all things may be forethought in music or foreshown in vision from afar, to those who enter verily into Eä each in its time shall be met at unawares as something new and unforetold."
Yes, the clue does mean Wednesday (or Wotensday). But that is not the complete correct answer, nor is Menelya, Ormenel, or Hevensday. I am looking for a specific reference in one of the main texts.
Very nice work getting the hard part out of the way though.
Yes, the clue does mean Wednesday (or Wotensday). But that is not the complete correct answer, nor is Menelya, Ormenel, or Hevensday. I am looking for a specific reference in one of the main texts.
Very nice work getting the hard part out of the way though.
Ok, it seemed a little weak of an answer even to me, but it is a specific reference from the Appendices. :P
Gandalf Tea Wednesday, the note Bilbo should have written to himself after his meeting with the Wizard in The Hobbit.
* * * "From without the World, though all things may be forethought in music or foreshown in vision from afar, to those who enter verily into Eä each in its time shall be met at unawares as something new and unforetold."
Thanks! I'm not sure that the intuitive process of finding an answer to any of these riddles has pleased me as much as that one did.
Alrighty then...
"Mongrel flycatcher".
* * * "From without the World, though all things may be forethought in music or foreshown in vision from afar, to those who enter verily into Eä each in its time shall be met at unawares as something new and unforetold."
I'm gonna take a leap and say Huan, the great hound of Valinor.
Nope......
* * * "From without the World, though all things may be forethought in music or foreshown in vision from afar, to those who enter verily into Eä each in its time shall be met at unawares as something new and unforetold."
Thanks! I'm not sure that the intuitive process of finding an answer to any of these riddles has pleased me as much as that one did.
Alrighty then...
"Mongrel flycatcher".
I would say the lesser spiders of Ered Gorgoroth, but your question seems to suggest a singular answer. If so, then Shelob - the last child of Ungoliant to trouble an unhappy world (or something like that).
While I was hoping to prompt a Shelob response, as an answer she is far off the track.
* * * "From without the World, though all things may be forethought in music or foreshown in vision from afar, to those who enter verily into Eä each in its time shall be met at unawares as something new and unforetold."
Old Man Willow is not the answer. (I'm curious though, what sense were you guessing at for "mongrel" there?)
* * * "From without the World, though all things may be forethought in music or foreshown in vision from afar, to those who enter verily into Eä each in its time shall be met at unawares as something new and unforetold."
Well, I haven't been particularly comfortable with the "mongrel" component of any of my guess, which have been focused on the "flycatcher" side of the puzzle. I am taking "mongrel" to mean something in the nature of "not pure bred" or "devolved from the original line" or even stretching it to "deviating from the original form." It was in the latter category that I was attempting to shoehorn Old Man Willow (in comparison to a Venus Flytrap).
However, I think I now have something that may capture the mongrel side and arguably works for the flycatcher side:
Gollum climbing headfirst down the cliff in Emyn Muil.
Doesn't one of rangers of Ithilien (maybe even Faramir) refer to Gollum as a mongrel creature? If so, then that is a clear hit and the spider climb should be enough for the flycatcher reference.
Doesn't one of rangers of Ithilien (maybe even Faramir) refer to Gollum as a mongrel creature? If so, then that is a clear hit and the spider climb should be enough for the flycatcher reference.
I believe Gollum was described as a gangrel creature which is an old scots term for a wandering beggar.
Well, I haven't been particularly comfortable with the "mongrel" component of any of my guess, which have been focused on the "flycatcher" side of the puzzle. I am taking "mongrel" to mean something in the nature of "not pure bred" or "devolved from the original line" or even stretching it to "deviating from the original form." It was in the latter category that I was attempting to shoehorn Old Man Willow (in comparison to a Venus Flytrap).
However, I think I now have something that may capture the mongrel side and arguably works for the flycatcher side:
Gollum climbing headfirst down the cliff in Emyn Muil.
Doesn't one of rangers of Ithilien (maybe even Faramir) refer to Gollum as a mongrel creature? If so, then that is a clear hit and the spider climb should be enough for the flycatcher reference.
Gollum is not it.
"Mongrel" in the context of Old Man Willow is interesting, in that one of the more poetic uses of the word has the meaning "of uncertain provenance". Invoking the word that way, I suppose I could answer my own riddle with "Ungoliant". But that is neither the answer, nor the sense I'm using in the clue.
Dang, I thought I had it there for a second.
* * * "From without the World, though all things may be forethought in music or foreshown in vision from afar, to those who enter verily into Eä each in its time shall be met at unawares as something new and unforetold."
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