Thread: Leveling in LOTRO its very very fast..slow it down a bit!

I just want to say that i have been leveling in LOTRO way to fast and i dont play that many hours.
I have noticed that it isnt just me but thats how the game it is and i have read that other players have noticed that also
I would like to do all the maps of LOTRO but usually when i complete one area/region the other one has already turned grey.
I have no problem that the quests are grey and u dont get xp but the quests are ridiculous easy and no chalenging at all because the entire area is outlevel
This is what happens when the leveling its so fast

Suggestion:The pace of leveling is just very fast and devs should slow it down a bit( the leveling was already fast before free to play and now its even faster)
I dont think thats good for you Turbine because people get to the endgame very fast and then they play other games
Also your subscriptions are less because of that.i mean if the leveling is a bit slower it gets more time to get to endgame =more subscriptions
Thx for reading

It's not intended that you should have (or need) to do all the content on one character in order to reach max level. The idea is that this gives you a chance to experience new content when you roll a second character.

Originally Posted by Brillig

It's not intended that you should have (or need) to do all the content on one character in order to reach max level. The idea is that this gives you a chance to experience new content when you roll a second character.

I am not altaholic( i am sure many others arent also) and i dont like to repeat the the entire game with alts
I just want to have only one char and do all the quests and reach to Mirkwood and Enedwaith with only one char,makes the game enjoyable this way

Originally Posted by Eric...

I am not altaholic( i am sure many others arent also) and i dont like to repeat the the entire game with alts
I just want to have only one char and do all the quests and reach to Mirkwood and Enedwaith with only one char,makes the game enjoyable this way

It has been suggested repeatedly in the past to let you disable leveling or at least disable the rested XP bonus to slow things down and experience all the content you want on-level. I guess somehow it has never become an implementation priority. Seem simple enough from the outside, maybe they just believe there is not enough demand.

Although it goes without saying by me....

/SIGNED

Don't even make it an option to slow leveling down, just do it globally. I would find this particularly fitting to those who've demanded Turbine not spend any time into putting in such an 'option' to slow one's leveling. My apologies to all those who like to level fast but also supported the option for other players to slow things down.

P.S. Truth is, while I do think Turbine should have made leveling much slower from the beginning, and not continually sped leveling up, I wouldn't want to take that away from those who've come to enjoy that pace (even though it allows too many players to get to cap and be terrible at playing their class.)

I have always liked the idea of making things much slower for the first time an account has played a particular class, and then allowing them to dramatically speed up their progress on any other toons they roll with that class.

A while ago, Turbine adjusted the leveling curve, and made it shorter. My non level capped characters got between 2 and 4 levels for free out of it. I wish they had left it alone. Just doing Bree gets you so far outleveling the first half of the Lone Lands or North Downs that both are boring. You dont get any real excitement or fun out of the game again until Evendim, the Trollshaws, and Angmar. Yet another instance of them breaking something by trying to fix something that wasnt broken.

/unsigned

I like to play lots of different characters/classes, and after having been through the lowbie levels something like 3 dozen times since alpha... I don't want it to be slower. If you do, I hope they give you some option to slow it down. I won't use it, however.

Khafar

Originally Posted by Khafar

/unsigned

I like to play lots of different characters/classes, and after having been through the lowbie levels something like 3 dozen times since alpha... I don't want it to be slower. If you do, I hope they give you some option to slow it down. I won't use it, however.

Khafar

I think the slow-leveling-down crowd should take a new tact here. Demand the leveling curve be dramatically slowed down across the board for everyone! Inciting a violent forum war. That way the 'option' to do so will seem like the reasonable compromise solution that can make everyone happy, which even those who currently oppose such an option being put in can get on board with, and Turbine will want nothing more than to get it in as quickly as possible.

See the problem is asking for what we want. (The option to slow leveling down) Giving leverage to those who are opposed to even an option. We NEED to be asking for MORE than what we want. (Slow down leveling for EVERY one.) That way the fulcrum is moved and the nay-sayers will need to move toward the position of just a simple option to slow down leveling being put in.

This technique could work for the real-world too. For instance, instead of gay couples seeking marriage equality under the law, they should demand extra-special-super-duper-double-the-tax-breaks marriage, and then those who are currently opposed to simple marriage equality, will change their tune to NO WAY on extra-special marriage, they should ONLY have EQUAL marriage rights.

Personally, I like the faster leveling. It's nice not to have to grind your way through millions of animals and orcs to get ahead. I don't want to be forced to do every quest in the game. For those that want to level slower, give the option to turn of the rest XP. For those that like to level faster, leave it alone.

Question about leveling and other games:

Is there ANY MMO out there that has a "leveling switch"?

None that I have seen, but you have some crybabies here that would have us all leveling so slow that the gamer would get boring, real fast. I say give them a switch, and shut them up.

See! What'd I tell ya.

I have no problem with Turbine putting in switches that slow or stop advancement for the folks want it to be so. I would never use them. With seven characters, I typically see the same content multiple times.

Obviously Turbine adds gray content way below the level of my characters. If it gets done it is done as trivial - yawn content. There is no solution to this problem. I will not delete characters. Or start a new character periodically just to capture the new - changed starter content.

Originally Posted by FoxFire

I think the slow-leveling-down crowd should take a new tact here.

Won't work, IMO. Either you'll get a simple XP switch of some sort, or you'll get nothing (except for further leveling increases over time). The problem is that one of Turbine's design goals for their content lines up quite well with faster leveling: they want their endgame to be readily accessible to casual players, and to stay readily accessible despite various level raises.

How do I know this? Because A) they said something about it on the forums back when the game launched, and B) they sped up leveling post-MoM in order to help keep that endgame within easy reach, even before many players had asked them to.

Back when they were making AC2 I was an NDA tester for them, and I know they had a specific number in mind for average players to be able to reach the level cap... IIRC, it was 250 for that game. The program manager (Matt Ford from Microsoft) told us what it was. In LOTRO, I never heard them give a similar number, but based on the last 4 years, I think they have one... and I think it's 150-200 hours.

Khafar

+1 to original poster. I wanted to enjoy the game more at each level. Devs please look into this. Find that perfect pace.

Originally Posted by Defender7

Find that perfect pace.

There is no "perfect pace" for everyone. When it was at the original pace, some people claimed it was way too fast while others thought it dragged on forever. I play a grand total of about 8 hours per week, and what might seem "super fast" to someone who plays 5 hours a day seems "just right" or even "slow" to someone like me.

The cheapest solution to this would be to offer the "XP switch" people have asked for periodically around here. Then players could turn off their advancement if they felt it was going too fast (or if they were outleveling friends). I actually still speed up my advancement by routinely playing on two different characters, ensuring that I'm almost always playing with "Rest XP" in force. Getting to the level cap in ~150 hours feels just about right to me.

Khafar

We can spend destiny points on higher XP gain.

You will have a hard time convincing me that it will be much of a programming effort to derive from that that you can spend destiny points on lower XP gain.

If you want to make it cool, also flip the sign in the DPs, that means you earn less XPs but gain more DPs. But that's the rocket science optional thing.

I disagree, if anything the leveling is a little to slow, but it's fine. If you want adventure you don't want to be adventuring without any frequent rewards. It is very encouraging to get that new level and the skills you can buy etc.

I'm all for a toggle switch for people that want to level slow but I would never use it. I lost count of how many alts I've leveled and now I just want to get to Forochel and up above that.

Originally Posted by Darmokk

You will have a hard time convincing me that it will be much of a programming effort to derive from that that you can spend destiny points on lower XP gain.

I'm all for them giving us more things to spend our DP on... I have tons of the stuff and almost never spend it. (Not that I'd spend it to level slower, but someone might).

Khafar

Originally Posted by Boraxxe

Question about leveling and other games:

Is there ANY MMO out there that has a "leveling switch"?

Yes, EverQuest 2 has several options when you right-click your XP bar of which any or all could be selected:

Disable Quest Experience
Disable Combat Experience
Disable Alternate Achievement Experience

There is also a slider on the AA tree which allows you to put 0% to 100% of your quest/combat XP toward AA experience. This had enormous flexibility. You could set the slider at 50% and level slower while earning achievements a little faster. You could also completely level-lock and earn achievements only.

This was by far the best system I've seen. It allowed players who wanted to stay in a particular zone to lock any or all XP for as long as they wanted while at the same time not affecting the players who wanted regular leveling.

Note:

AA is similar to Deeds. When you get so much AA XP you get a point to spend in a tree that enhances your abilities.

Originally Posted by Darmokk

We can spend destiny points on higher XP gain.

You will have a hard time convincing me that it will be much of a programming effort to derive from that that you can spend destiny points on lower XP gain.

If you want to make it cool, also flip the sign in the DPs, that means you earn less XPs but gain more DPs. But that's the rocket science optional thing.

I really like this idea as well. I made a similar suggestion some time ago. But yeah, essentially it was allow us to route our XP gain into DP gain instead. Then with all that extra DP, if someone later decided they needed to level a bit faster they could just buy XP boosts with their DP.

But as mentioned in a previous thread, another idea someone had, which I've concluded would be most flexible and safe is the 'Level Up' button, with an XP bank.

The way that works, is when you've reached enough XP to level up, instead of Automatically leveling, a 'Level-Up' button becomes active on your Character Sheet (and an icon appears in your notification tray). You will then remain at your current level indefinitely until you press the Level-Up button.

In the mean time, you continue to accumulate XP, but only up to an extra 2-3 levels worth of XP, at which point you can no longer bank XP until you've pressed the Level-Up button to gain at least one more level. This does two things, a) It prevents you from accidentally getting stuck with a TON of grinding to do if you run out of quest content to move up in level; since you've banked a couple levels of XP, and b) It prevents you from banking 50 levels worth of XP grinding out level 15 mobs and then hitting your Level-Up button 50 times to get to 65.

So as you can see that method gives players the ultimate flexibility in how quickly they level, and it can't be abused or accidentally misused.

Also to make sure nothing changes for those happy with the current behavior, there can be an Option in the Options panel to "Automatically Level", which will be checked by default.

Originally Posted by yodelinghound

I disagree, if anything the leveling is a little to slow, but it's fine. If you want adventure you don't want to be adventuring without any frequent rewards. It is very encouraging to get that new level and the skills you can buy etc.

They already give you plenty ways to speed up leveling. All we ask that we get the same switch with the sign bit flipped.

Would love to level slower as well, I'm all for a switch!

It's one of the reasons why I won't sub, because as f2p-p I don't have this blue rest xp bar, so yay for me on my US account.
On my EU account I have at times 200k rest xp on some chars, way too much for my liking .

Originally Posted by Hendirion

Would love to level slower as well, I'm all for a switch!

It's one of the reasons why I won't sub, because as f2p-p I don't have this blue rest xp bar, so yay for me on my US account.
On my EU account I have at times 200k rest xp on some chars, way too much for my liking .

Oh how I envy those f2p'ers who can adventure at a nice stop-to-smell-the-roses pace without that blue bar constantly taunting them and DEMANDING they level faster.

Having a blue bar of Rest XP *IS* the default natural state of game play; it's the NORMAL XP gain almost everyone should be getting, it's not a bonus. NOT having Rest XP means you are being penalized for playing several hours a day, every day of the week (because it seems that is what you would need to be doing in order to not be in a state of perpetual blue bar).

Let me tell you, if I EVER met the guy at Turbine who made the decision that Rest XP would be given to everyone at a rapid rate regardless of whether they wanted it or not.... well I don't need to tell you what would happen.

Originally Posted by Boraxxe

Question about leveling and other games:

Is there ANY MMO out there that has a "leveling switch"?

Yes, at least there was. WoW has a switch that turns off XP gain. It was limited to the PvP environment though. I haven't played it for a couple years, and don't know the current status of it, but I know it was there.

On another note. I would like to add my support for such a switch in LOTRO. I don't mind leveling quickly, however, I started playing this game with a close friend and we decided to level together. As everyone knows, sometimes real life is unavoidable and we can't always be online at the same time. The problem we have encountered is that, in order to keep ourselves "synced" XP/level wise, one can't play when the other is not available. An XP switch would allow us to stay synced and play "guilt free" when the other has RL issues. I have wished to myself on several occasions, for such a switch in LOTRO.

Originally Posted by Boraxxe

Question about leveling and other games:

Is there ANY MMO out there that has a "leveling switch"?

Yes.

Specifically, EQ2 has the ability to turn off combat XP, turn off quest XP, turn off all XP, and/or redirect a percentage of XP into Alternate Advancement Points. In addition, it has a full-fledged mentoring system, including the ability to talk to an NPC to voluntarily (and temporarily) reduce your level so you can go back to old content and still experience some level of challenge.

I have heard that WoW also has the ability to turn off XP gain, but I've never played that game, so I don't know if that is a fact or not.

Also, I seem to remember that Dark Age of Camp-a-lot had some way of turning off levelling so you could spend more time farming Realm Points in the lower-level battlegrounds. But I've intentionally wiped most of my DAoC memories from my mind, so I could be mistaken. *shrug*

But yes, other major MMOs have implemented this feature. Given how much the playing experience changed when they sped up the LotRO levelling curve, I'm amazed that Turbine didn't implement some kind of opt-out method.

Absolutely /signed. Way too fast. If Turbine isn't going to implement some kind of XP throttle, then I believe they should roll back the XP curve changes. When they actually asked the question "Is levelling too slow, too fast, or just right" in a Tell the Community Thread, the overwhelming majority of responses (over 2/3) said "too fast." Time to listen to the feedback ;^)

I love the current leveling pace. -1 to OP.

Originally Posted by Gammit

I love the current leveling pace. -1 to OP.

And i would love a switch to stop some or all XP gain at times. +1 to OP.
An EQ2 style of choosing would be the cat's behind region to this gamer.

No thanks. The leveling is fine to me. Not too slow and not too fast. I still go back and enjoy quests for the sake of experiencing the content if I like. So I don't earn xp for doing them? So what? I did them because they are fun.

I enjoy this game because of it's leisurely pace. If I wanted to take a long time to level, I'd switch to some Korean grinder.
I'm 38 now and the leveling is not fast at all.

I've never seen anyone complain about rested xp. How spoiled. The rested XP only applies to mob killing and frankly it's not that much of an increase.
This thread reminds me that, no matter how good things get, someone will always complain.

Originally Posted by Aislingi

I've never seen anyone complain about rested xp. How spoiled. The rested XP only applies to mob killing and frankly it's not that much of an increase.

This is what a lot of people seem to fail to grasp. The only time I level fast from the blue bar is when I'm going for slayer deeds.

I've only been playing a short time, not even long enough to decide on my main character yet, and play f2p with no blue bar. While the turbo leveling is nice for being able to try out the classes (apparently most don't feel like the class til level 20+ abilities get picked up according to the forums), it just feels kind of odd being level 14 out of 65 in an afternoon of playtime. In general I would support the idea of some way to slow leveling just a bit, to let it feel more natural instead of leveling to 2 after killing 3 packs of mosquitoes. Since I'm not particularly experienced with the later game I'll abstain from voting yea or nay for now.

Originally Posted by FoxFire

But as mentioned in a previous thread, another idea someone had, which I've concluded would be most flexible and safe is the 'Level Up' button, with an XP bank.

Yeah, this would be exactly the same as DDO in implementation, give or take. Players can get a few levels above their active level in XP, then only truly level when they visit their trainer. Some use it to level faster, by taking advantage of good XP from certain quests for longer. Others use it to not put an XP penalty on the buddy they are trying to level with. And a few more use it to get in as much of the available content at a level as they want before bumping up to the next level.

Originally Posted by Boraxxe

Is there ANY MMO out there that has a "leveling switch"?

Other folks have mentioned WoW. The leveling toggle is pretty much entirely for the purpose of staying at a certain level for PvP to stay in a particular bracket, as others have mentioned. Maybe not now with Cataclysm changing many things, but the leveling content for WoW doesn't exactly feel like it goes by too fast, even without a toggle on. Though you can skip zones easily while leveling, it rarely feels like you havn't done enough to earn that next level.

Elixir of Lesser Experience.

- Consumed on Use
- Reduces earned XP by half.
- Time: 60 minutes

'nuff said.

Originally Posted by Aislingi

I've never seen anyone complain about rested xp. How spoiled. The rested XP only applies to mob killing and frankly it's not that much of an increase.
This thread reminds me that, no matter how good things get, someone will always complain.

You're not particularly observant are you Aislingi? Oh wait, you have 12 posts at the time of my response, so... perhaps you're simply basing your assertion that you've never seen anyone complain about Rested XP on what appears to be a scant history of reading the forums. This topic HAS been discussed ad nauseum (including unwanted Rest XP), to the point Community Reps were getting aggravated about seeing the threads.

And spoiled? Is that what you call someone who speaks out against having something foisted upon them that they don't want and interferes with their goals?

If someone was on a diet and they were given a piece of cake, where not only did they not desire to eat the cake, but the giver proceeded to shove it down that person's throat (because he knows what that person REALLY wants and will appreciate), YOU would proceed to call that person 'spoiled' because they spoke out against forcibly being fed what you consider to be yummy-yummy everyone-should-want-it-and-therefore-be-forced-to-partake-of-it cake?

"What! you didn't want to be forcibly fed that cake! Damn you're spoiled! You know there are A LOT of people out there who would just kill for a piece of that cake, in fact I'd like more of it myself, but YOU don't want it! Clearly you're just a spoiled brat. *sigh* I tell you know matter HOW good things get someone will ALWAYS complain."

I hope that little analogy demonstrates how clueless your statement was.

By-the-way, Rested XP isn't nothing. My current main is in his 60's and he's continually sitting on close to 400,000 'Bonus Experience' points. I shave a little bit off it each time I play, but by the next day it's ALL back.

Originally Posted by DLL_Beta

Elixir of Lesser Experience.

- Consumed on Use
- Reduces earned XP by half.
- Time: 60 minutes

'nuff said.

I like that!

Originally Posted by FoxFire

You're not particularly observant are you Aislingi?

You need to take a class, or a woman or... something. All this pent up nerd rage of yours isn't healthy.

Originally Posted by Spasticolon

You need to take a class, or a woman or... something. All this pent up nerd rage of yours isn't healthy.

Uh oh. Looks like I picked up a stalker.

What fun!

100% signed. Given the lack of end game, it seems preposterous that Turbine forces us to 65 so fast.

No. To be more specific, GAWD NO! Seriously. If they do this, they'd better make it optional, or I stop playing. The only way I can last more than a few days in an MMO is to have new stuff coming fast enough to keep my interest - otherwise, it's just "grind, grind, grind, grind, grind, grind, grind, grind, grind, et cetera et cetera." Seriously, the reason I only ever got a character to 14 in WoW is because at that point it took approximately 3 billion experience points to level and there was not anything interesting happening - it was log on for my hour or so, kill some bears, log off feeling unfulfilled. It was really, really boring.

Originally Posted by styles1005

No. To be more specific, GAWD NO! Seriously. If they do this, they'd better make it optional, or I stop playing. The only way I can last more than a few days in an MMO is to have new stuff coming fast enough to keep my interest - otherwise, it's just "grind, grind, grind, grind, grind, grind, grind, grind, grind, et cetera et cetera." Seriously, the reason I only ever got a character to 14 in WoW is because at that point it took approximately 3 billion experience points to level and there was not anything interesting happening - it was log on for my hour or so, kill some bears, log off feeling unfulfilled. It was really, really boring.

Yeah, I have to agree with you. I like to be able to get new skills quick, and better equipment. Leveling slow is just plain boring, and not worth the effort. I actually wish they would speed up the craft leveling.