Guess I gotta keep forwarding the same email over and over again. I was in Isengard, cmon man, some of us were in college when the new billing system was implemented and had to cancel to eat!
This isn't a lottery like Bullroarer, if nothing's changed on your application there really isn't a reason to resend it.
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Q: If I do not get accepted the first time I apply, should I bother to reapply? If my original explanation wasn't enough to get me in, maybe I could include additional information and be accepted later on? A: Yes, we definitely encourage this. We have had several participants that applied more than once. If, upon hindsight, you think your application may have been lacking, by all means revise it and try again. What we don’t encourage is submitting the exact same application over and over. This isn’t a lottery – more attempts don’t make acceptance more likely.
While I have no direct knowledge, my impression is that all builds arrive at Palantir before reaching Bullroarer, (that means, Bullroarer gets a somewhat more stable/polished build for people to test on). I am however curious what percentage of internal builds reach Palantir.
The fifth batch of invitations to the Palantir Private Preview Program just went out!
... you are welcome to apply again at any time.
Ah ... ok ... I didn't know it worked like that. I sent a motivation to LOTROPreview@turbine.com why I'd like to be in the PPP with some IRL and in-game background on the 8th of July (according to my mail logs). I didn't have a response on it at all so I was wondering if my mail got lost or reviewing would be that thorough I shouldn't expect a response that soon (or you guys were overwhelmed with applications ... that could be happening too of course).
So, should I just reapply?
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Ah ... ok ... I didn't know it worked like that. I sent a motivation to LOTROPreview@turbine.com why I'd like to be in the PPP with some IRL and in-game background on the 8th of July (according to my mail logs). I didn't have a response on it at all so I was wondering if my mail got lost or reviewing would be that thorough I shouldn't expect a response that soon (or you guys were overwhelmed with applications ... that could be happening too of course).
So, should I just reapply?
They don't respond to application e-mails.
Since invites was sent out yesterday, and you applied before that date, you'd have to re-apply.
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It seems for some reason that whoever you use for the email has blacklisted that address. If you have an email account with a different provider try that instead?
To me it seems that you have configured your computer (your app mail?) to send mails directly to the Internet rather than using your ISP's SMTP service. This is, in general, a very bad idea and especially so if you don't have a static IP address.
It was your IP address that was blacklisted, probably because someone else had sent spam earlier using that IP address OR you might have a virus on your computer allowing others to send spam from your computer causing your IP to be blocked. If anyone else from the same IP pool sends out spam you're likely to get blocked again and again.
You should probably contact your ISP's Crown Control... I mean ISP's Customer Care department to get the proper details to use when setting up your e-mail client.
Seems you have received some useful input from a few players - I hope this helps resolve the issue.
I will ask that any further correspondence about this be done through Private Message so this thread may return to questions/comments about the Preview Program.
Thank you all for your understanding with this request!
Just a question though. Do you also respond to people that have not been selected? So I'm not hitting the F5 button in my email so aggressively .
And one more Q. I suppose there is a new client for Palantir? Do I have to download this 16gb again? My HDD is big enough, but oh well, another 16gb with same data...
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I applied, let's see how it turns out.
Just a question though. Do you also respond to people that have not been selected? So I'm not hitting the F5 button in my email so aggressively .
And one more Q. I suppose there is a new client for Palantir? Do I have to download this 16gb again? My HDD is big enough, but oh well, another 16gb with same data...
We do not send emails to those we do not accept. If a post goes up saying we've sent invitations and you did not receive one, then your application was not accepted for that round.
If you are accepted, yes, downloading a new client will be required.
There is no set time or schedule. We try to aim for once a month, but have hopelessly failed at that goal since... ever.
We send out invitations when the QA schedule frees up enough for us to review applications. I wish I could give you a better answer.
At 5 rounds of invites in 10 months, it doesn't seem like you're doing too badly in terms of keeping up with the applications.; Hopefully Bullroarer is helping to lighten your load a little so you can keep up with the applications.
Here's hoping the team working on a solution to the PPPP billing system's exclusion of non VIPs isn't sucked up by the MYLOTRO data import issues for too much longer; If infact they are the same team. Perhaps we'll be able to celebrate 1year of the program's new form by applying.
Perhaps this has been answered somewhere before, but I can not seem to find it, what is the difference between the palantir private preview program and the beta for ROI other than you have to apply for palantir? I am kind of confused on exactly what this program is.
Perhaps this has been answered somewhere before, but I can not seem to find it, what is the difference between the palantir private preview program and the beta for ROI other than you have to apply for palantir? I am kind of confused on exactly what this program is.
Palantir is private, full NDA, ongoing testing. Beta for RoI is for RoI only.
Palantir is private, full NDA, ongoing testing. Beta for RoI is for RoI only.
Both have their own NDAs with terms. Both are private.; Bullroarer is currently beta for ONLY RoI and invite only.; Palantir is only open to applications from VIPs, and your acceptance there is until you do one of the following 1.Drop VIP, ; 2. Violate the terms of the program 3. Turbine decides you're no longer needed (Not something I imagine happens often.) 4. You choose to leave the program]
Edit: To clarify my inclusion of #3: In the transition from Isengard->Palantir Private Preview program, you elected to wipe your tester base and start anew.; True, this was a new program, but it doesn't mean anyone or everyone lost as a result of the transition did something to leave or desired to leave the program.; Turbine is free to seek a fresh slate of volunteers at any time and remove the previous ones.
Thanks for the responses, but I guess what I am really getting at is how do they differ in what they test? Is palantir basically a running beta for anything, like when they have introduced class updates outside of expansions, new instances etc..., while the beta (like for ROI) is reserved only for specific expansions? Or is it more like an alpha for lack of a better word, in that things get tested there then to bullroarer.I understand if you can not answer specifically because of any NDA agreements, it just appears to me that between palantir, bullroarer, and expansion beta's there is a lot of overlap. Perhaps that is exactly the point.
Thanks for the responses, but I guess what I am really getting at is how do they differ in what they test? Is palantir basically a running beta for anything, like when they have introduced class updates outside of expansions, new instances etc..., while the beta (like for ROI) is reserved only for specific expansions? Or is it more like an alpha for lack of a better word, in that things get tested there then to bullroarer.I understand if you can not answer specifically because of any NDA agreements, it just appears to me that between palantir, bullroarer, and expansion beta's there is a lot of overlap. Perhaps that is exactly the point.
Bullroarer is only opened when they need a wider range of people testing something [Ie: RoI]; Palantir, is probably is up far more often. ; Palantir gets its builds before Bullroarer, and may have more than one build in the time Bullroarer has one. ; Palantir was probably testing RoI content in some form or another before RoI was likely announced. Palantir is run by Quality Assurance; Bullroarer is run by Online Community Relations; Palantir is more focused on qualitative feedback while Bullroarer is focused on catching bugs missed by QA.
Edit: Removed inaccuate statements; (And Please, Just because someone makes a mistake, do not presume it was intentional, I'm operating with the best information I've got available to me)
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Re: The Palantir Private Preview Program
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Turbine decides you're no longer needed (Not something I imagine happens often.)
Not sure what gave you the impression this is a condition, but we have never dropped someone from the Private Preview Program because we decided they are 'no longer needed'.
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Palantir tends to have more stringient testing guidelines, (Ie this next week, JUST test this instance.)
Not true. While we do have a focus schedule, anything that is on the Deliverable list is open for testing on Palantir at all times unless some bug or undeveloped mechanic is preventing it.
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...while Palantir is more like 'try and find all the ways you can to reproduce this specific bug, so we can finally get it squashed.'... ;
Again, not true. We have hundreds of players on Palantir - if we had them hyper-focused as you imply here it would not be an efficient use of their time.
Again, we have a focus schedule, yes, but if you are not able to meet the requests of the focus schedule but are able to test, file bugs and offer feedback then your time is incredibly valuable to us.
Palantir is far more strongly focused on the qualitative aspect of the content. That is: Is this quest fun? What makes it not fun? Is this instance balanced? Is this boss too hard? Does this new skill seem overpowered?
While bugs are an important component, feedback is really where Palantir is at.
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All of my statements are without any time spent on Palantir, and are purely based on my understanding of the processes involved.
Understanding the process is one thing, but the experience itself cannot be reflected in the process.
Are there any disqualifications for knowing too much? lol
In a nutshell, I've been computer gaming since the early 80's, been mmoing since beta 6 of UO.
I've pretty much seen and done it all. I've met several dev tema over the years in multiple games (all in-game) and in fact been a part of guilds that included devs from several games.
I was also asked multiple times by a couple different game companies if I was looking for a job.
My basic question is, by knowing too much- voices from vent/etc, from communicating via emails with dozens of folk in the industry am I some sort of risk? I applied a couple years ago and was not picked.
Is it worth applying again or am I considered over qualified or risky because of my experiences?
We don't tend to exclude people for being 'overqualified' so if I were you I would try again.
I would expect 'overqualified' is indeed unlikely to be a disqualifier.
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EDIT: ohmygosh Maui. <jealous>
Now this matter may well require an extensive on-site personal interview by Kehleyr for a week or so in January to fully define your eligibility. <grin>
Palantir is far more strongly focused on the qualitative aspect of the content. That is: Is this quest fun? What makes it not fun? Is this instance balanced? Is this boss too hard? Does this new skill seem overpowered?
While bugs are an important component, feedback is really where Palantir is at.
Understanding the process is one thing, but the experience itself cannot be reflected in the process.
Thanks for correcting my misconceptions!
Posts like this are why I suggested an article for the Free People's Press. I hope you consider it .
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