Thread: Elebrandir's Horseshoe - What the devil does it do?

Originally Posted by Vilnas

In my view the jerk move would be the follow up post by MoL insisting that the item has a verifiable in-game effect knowing that no reasonable person would agree that a UI icon qualifies.

You're assuming I was referring to the icon, then?

MoL

Well, that's what I'd assume; that the icon (and possibly NPC text statements) are the verifiable effect. unless you state otherwise, or until we demonstrate otherwise through tons of statistical analysis.

Originally Posted by MadeOfLions

You're assuming I was referring to the icon, then?

MoL

To the contrary! I was arguing that the posters who suggested that you were referring to the icon are most likely mistaken, because in my opinion a quasi-official post confirming that there is a "verifiable in-game effect" when you really meant a UI icon would be unfairly misleading. My opinion has been that you wouldn't do that, and therefore that the in-game effect is something else (albeit modest).

Equipping the horseshoe seemed to speed up the finding of boars in Evendim...

Originally Posted by MadeOfLions

You're assuming I was referring to the icon, then?

MoL

LOL, just when you thought it couldn't get worse..

This is lawl-y. Really...

Peeps stop taking yourselves so criminally serious-like. This single item has caused more hubbub in the game than anything in the history of LOTRO x50. Hands-down.

If you want to know what it does, test it out. You were given fair-warning when you selected the item, right? You selected something having NO IDEA what it did.

That's a caveat-freaking-emptor there.

Hell yeah, I took it!

I think a lawsuit will not end well for you - which seems like the next logical step - so step away from the hotline and play the game already. You existed before The Horseshoe - you may also exist during and after The Horseshoe outlives its usefullness...or unusefullness...or....

If I was a dev, I'd be having a ball this, too.
Lighten-up, Francises. We are not ready to know The Truth.

Originally Posted by Southpa

Peeps stop taking yourselves so criminally serious-like. This single item has caused more hubbub in the game than anything in the history of LOTRO x50. Hands-down.

It's getting there. Did you happen to see the infamous Durchest Aggro threads (deleted and otherwise)?

Originally Posted by aleczander

Originally Posted by MadeOfLions

You're assuming I was referring to the icon, then?

MoL

LOL, just when you thought it couldn't get worse..

If beta is any indicator, we'll get nothing but obfuscation from the devs. This is their joke on us and I'm sure they're still having too much fun with it to come clean just yet.

I would not at all be surprised if all the horseshoe did was give you a buff.

Originally Posted by Southpa

You existed before The Horseshoe - you may also exist during and after The Horseshoe outlives its usefullness...or unusefullness...or....

Depends if they rage-quit first. XD

For those who are happy to live in ignorance - more power to you. However, there's no need to belittle those who would prefer to make an informed decision or actually get some benefit out of the article in question (if there's any benefit to be had).

Originally Posted by TheREALify

For those who are happy to live in ignorance - more power to you. However, there's no need to belittle those who would prefer to make an informed decision or actually get some benefit out of the article in question (if there's any benefit to be had).

Why do ppl need to do such a thing in game? I mean, RL sure, but this is a game. I applaud the devs for FINALLY putting something in game that makes me scratch my head.
I passed on the the shoe on one character, but got it on another. I dont get into the whole equipping shoe, spinning around in your chair three times and holding your breath before you loot a chest or ID a second age, like one of my kinmates does

But relax ppl, its this type of junk that scares devs away from every doing stuff like this again.

Keep at it Made. Stay creative.

Since most max level toons arent going to live and die by a pocket item (most are horrible anyway and not worth outfitting in the first place) I took it. I have it equipped all the time other than when I am in the Moors (as I doubt it would have an effect there).

As for what it does, no clue. I do everything with it, decon (hundreds of LIs); skirmishes (hundreds of those too), daily repeatables, the usual faire. But since I always have it equipped then it is moot. Only thing is whether or not its in game effect affects (yes that is the proper usage of both) any of those things. Whether it does or doesnt really doesnt matter.

Originally Posted by aleczander

It would be bad for business if the majority of players expected it to do something meaningful for their character, but were infuriated to find out it does nothing. Then that majority of players would have to take their fury and their wallets to another game solely because of this "jerk move"

For want of a nail the shoe was lost, and for want of a shoe the game was lost? Sounds hideously reasonable to me.

I'm still thinking that the Horseshoe Effect (hereinafter referred to as "HE") will be revealed in a future book of Volume III. For now, HE knows all and HE tells little.

If I'm wrong, and enlightenment doesn't occur during Volume III, then I expect to be trampled as 99.9% (or more) of the player base bolts for the exits.

Originally Posted by TheREALify

For those who are happy to live in ignorance - more power to you. However, there's no need to belittle those who would prefer to make an informed decision or actually get some benefit out of the article in question (if there's any benefit to be had).

Sounds like choosing Elebrandir's Horseshoe is the real ify thing to do.

I am betting that the Horseshoe is working just the way it is supposed to. It is the Devs way of seeing how many people would post about a random piece of equipment. It was tested in Beta and I would assume that they had a nice long thread there too. So we are making the magic of the horseshoe, not them making it a new power.
Perhaps it is also so the devs can get new ideas of what WE want out of a pocket item. They sit back to see all the theories, who knows maybe we will see some of them come in future updates!

Originally Posted by Grampsaz

Why do ppl need to do such a thing in game?

Why shouldn't they be able to make an informed decision?

Originally Posted by Grampsaz

But relax ppl, its this type of junk that scares devs away from every doing stuff like this again.

If by "doing stuff like this again" you mean providing us with items / equipment and not giving us any information at all about the stats or buffs said items / equipment provide - I don't see that as a bad thing.

Originally Posted by PoetnSage

Sounds like choosing Elebrandir's Horseshoe is the real ify thing to do.

<comedic rimshot sound-effect>

I believe the horseshoe is symbolic of God/Uru/etc.. It's a question of faith and belief and nothing more.
I'm not trying to start a religious debate, just my by two bits.

Originally Posted by daPoppa

I believe the horseshoe is symbolic of God/Uru/etc.. It's a question of faith and belief and nothing more.
I'm not trying to start a religious debate, just my by two bits.

Eru.

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Do YOU believe?

Originally Posted by Ayrolen

Eru.

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Doh! of course.

Originally Posted by Grampsaz

Why do ppl need to do such a thing in game? I mean, RL sure, but this is a game. I applaud the devs for FINALLY putting something in game that makes me scratch my head.

Some players seem to not notice intangibles like this. I've seen players ask in all seriousness what the point of a festival horse was, because the stats were identical to normal horses... In the last couple of months I've heard two different players finish the Tomb of Elendil final fight by saying "lame" when no loot dropped.

A kinmate told me it changes some dialog in the epic chain, which I suppose would qualify as a "verifiable in-game effect".

Originally Posted by TheREALify

For those who are happy to live in ignorance - more power to you. However, there's no need to belittle those who would prefer to make an informed decision or actually get some benefit out of the article in question (if there's any benefit to be had).

If it has any effect, that effect is no doubt small and basically inconsequential, as people are still trying to figure it out. Unless you have min/maxed the entire rest of the appliable game, I believe you have a long way to go before you aren't "living in ignorance" like the rest of us.

Isn't that the truth?

Really, I think the problem is more like someone knows a secret and won't tell you.
It's OK, none of us know either....and we deal.

This has been a fun item.
I had several of my kinmates all atizzy when I announced "Aha! Having the Horseshoe equipped gives you Grey Company Rep when you complete Deeds in Enedwaith."

This was confirmed (somewhat) when another kinmate said, "Yeah, oh, I just got Rivendell rep for completing a deed with it equipped, but I'm in Eriador."

My wife negated the fun when she said "I don't have the horseshoe, and I just got Grey Company rep for completing an Enedwaith Deed."

Today I think I shall tell them, "Got it! Having the horseshoe equipped when you summon your Algraig steed... oh, you guys are going to want to get this mount as soon as you can."

Yes, definately a fun item. Maybe not so fun for the horse that threw it, but fun for us teasers.

Originally Posted by TheREALify

Why shouldn't they be able to make an informed decision?



If by "doing stuff like this again" you mean providing us with items / equipment and not giving us any information at all about the stats or buffs said items / equipment provide - I don't see that as a bad thing.

You make informed decisions from the moment you wake up till the moment you go to bed each night, when your logged in game you do the same. Stop being so serious about playing, if you want to min/max do it with the stat scrolls you can pick instead of the shoe and be man/women enough to stick with your decition. If somone doesn't want to take part in a creative fun experimental item/mechanic dont, just dont piss and moan about it months later when you find out it does/doesn't do something you were/are interested in. If you wanna just have fun, have faith and have some curiosity, pick the bloddy shoe.


We should all be posting about wanting MORE creativity from our dev teams. Everything doesn't have to be a shoe type mechanic, but creativity should be encouraged.

By itself it does nothing. You need another one that you can only get from killing mobs. Until then, keep doing quests, keep killing mobs and wait for the other shoe to drop.

Originally Posted by Northwoods

By itself it does nothing. You need another one that you can only get from killing mobs. Until then, keep doing quests, keep killing mobs and wait for the other shoe to drop.

citation needed

Originally Posted by Grampsaz

Stop being so serious about playing. . . .


We should all be posting about wanting MORE creativity from our dev teams. Everything doesn't have to be a shoe type mechanic, but creativity should be encouraged.

I heartily agree, Gramps. I like the outside-the-box thinking this gimmick entails.

Originally Posted by orcfeller

citation needed

Methinks the other shoe just dropped. . . .

Originally Posted by MadeOfLions

Actually, I *am* a lawyer. But game design suits me better.

MoL

LOL, after 26 years of practicing law ... I don't blame you.

As an aside, Mark Jacobs (co-founder of Mythic) is a lawyer as well. He and I got into a few discussions when I used to playtest Warhammer. We agreed that making games was a much better career choice.

Ele in old english means strange/ other/ foreign. (In Greek it's light / torch)
Brandir according to lotr-wiki means "noble man".

I like to think this is a future barter item for a even more rare mount.

Originally Posted by Grampsaz

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We should all be posting about wanting MORE creativity from our dev teams. Everything doesn't have to be a shoe type mechanic, but creativity should be encouraged.

I agree~ More unique things makes the game more interesting! I don't understand why some people would get so upset over people theorizing what the horseshoe can do. It's fun and it's not harming anyone.

Less hate, more love~

Originally Posted by Northwoods

By itself it does nothing. You need another one that you can only get from killing mobs. Until then, keep doing quests, keep killing mobs and wait for the other shoe to drop.

Well done you! You had me rolling my eyes until the punch line. This may qualify as thread win until we get actual information.

Originally Posted by Grampsaz

You make informed decisions from the moment you wake up till the moment you go to bed each night, when your logged in game you do the same. Stop being so serious about playing, if you want to min/max do it with the stat scrolls you can pick instead of the shoe and be man/women enough to stick with your decition. If somone doesn't want to take part in a creative fun experimental item/mechanic dont, just dont piss and moan about it months later when you find out it does/doesn't do something you were/are interested in. If you wanna just have fun, have faith and have some curiosity, pick the bloddy shoe.


We should all be posting about wanting MORE creativity from our dev teams. Everything doesn't have to be a shoe type mechanic, but creativity should be encouraged.

You sir, apparently play games for fun. Don't be bringing your radical thoughts here, this is a serious thread about a serious issue that is seriously serious.


I'll bet you were one of them dang hippies back in the day. Radical.




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Originally Posted by Bradd

LOL, after 26 years of practicing law ... I don't blame you.

26 years???


And you still have to practice? :-p
I'd think you would have got it right by now. :-)

Originally Posted by Arbalister

26 years???


And you still have to practice? :-p
I'd think you would have got it right by now. :-)

Somewhere out there is a group of post-grad Harvard psychologists running a behavioural study entitled 'Gullibility and Superstition in the digital age'. Turbine developers must have killed themselves laughing when they were approached with the proposal to assist in running the experiment.

Steps up the podium.

My name is Luc and I wear the horseshoe in the Ettenmoors.

(Not because I have any idea that it's helping me, but because I DON'T have any idea that it's helping me.)

I too wear the horseshoe. I like the icon. After very little concentrating on what the horseshoe may do I came to this conclusion:

-Players that laugh at my horseshoe adornment would not like my playstyle.

-Players that like my choice would be fun to group with.

I never aim and only crunch numbers when it pertains to gold. *shrugs*

My stance on it is that I don't give a care! I hate being toyed with and all the devious playing with it (though a great idea) is just in poor tastes for a game. A kinmate and I almost got into a literal shouting match over it because I had said that "Throwing newspapers out of the window of a bus keeps the flying elephants away" just as someone said it keeps tigers away because he's convinced it helps with getting higher teir legacies when ID-ing a legendary.

MoL is simply negating the antecedent by saying "It has been tested, it has an affect, so therefore it affects game play." What people are forgetting that having no affect is in itself an effect. So what we need to ask is not if it affects but rather EFFECTS. Does it have any results not influences on the game. A measurable, a (virtually) tangible, and actual change in the game while wearing it. Before I wore my chances of xyz happening was x amount. But wearing it affected my effects of doing abc b/c I wore the shoe.

I dunno, I don't care regardless of the benefits. I'm not going to test it, I have orcs to kill.

Originally Posted by Grampsaz

We should all be posting about wanting MORE creativity from our dev teams. Everything doesn't have to be a shoe type mechanic, but creativity should be encouraged.

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