Thread: Removing Radiance?

If this was a joke by Jalessa in today's Warcry chat, it is a vicious joke. She made the claim they were going to remove radiance form LOTRO at some point. I will be VERY interested to get some more info on this whenever they can release it.

Lets just hope its true.

I was a bit surprised by that announcement too :/

<Jalessa> We took Radiance outside, tied it up to some railroad tracks, and...well...I think you saw the end of this in Red Dead Redemption. Look for this in the future - we will be removing Radiance from LOTRO.

From the Dev chat in warcry.


THANK YOU!
That is all.

Originally Posted by Baresira

If this was a joke by Jalessa in today's Warcry chat, it is a vicious joke. She made the claim they were going to remove radiance form LOTRO at some point. I will be VERY interested to get some more info on this whenever they can release it.

If it was a joke, it was a badly timed one, coming at the end of the chat.

Three cheers for the Dev team!!

lol the entire world just went from "little material reason" to run the BG raid, to "no material reason whatsoever."

Given that the BG set is at best a side-grade, and usually a down-grade, for most classes in comparison to the Watcher or DN sets, and that the other drops in there are almost uniquely bleh, there seems no longer any material reason to keep running the raid over and over again "to get our kin outfitted, mains and alts."

For cosmetics? Sure, some of the sets are nice-looking.

For the fun of the raid? Sure, it's still a fun challenge (until you've done it so many times your eyes bleed at the thought of another Monday night run lol).

But for gear? Over and over? No longer does the potential of a NEW raid that requires you to have 180 radiance loom. We are free of our radiance shackles, and the BG grind can stop! lol

Nice to know how much time I wasted grinding out radiance on 7 characters...all to be "raid ready" for the next end-game raid. That now...anyone can enter going forward??

I'm all for removing the "gate" if there are ways to reward those of us who actually mastered every raid in the game and worked towards that end.

I would also offer that dropping this like a bombshell at the end of chat was a very, very poor job of properly communicating intent.

Ok if they getting rid of radience then why in the "heck" are they giving us more instances (classic instances) to get us even more radiance gear?!?!?!

I mean seriously, why get rid of it when people will be farming it for months. I liked given more "roadmaps" to get the gear but now just flat out removing it???

I sure hope this is true....soon.

Note that this does not necessarily mean removing gating altogether. Deed-based gating remains an option. A much much better option, mind you.

Originally Posted by Baresira

If this was a joke by Jalessa in today's Warcry chat, it is a vicious joke. She made the claim they were going to remove radiance form LOTRO at some point. I will be VERY interested to get some more info on this whenever they can release it.

It was no a joke. Radiance will be removed from LOTRO. I'm not sure which update, but it won't be this week.

So what is the over-under on how long until Sap consolidates the "good riddance to Radiance" threads, or somebody offers a clarification?

Either way, I just hope it is true, I've ignored a lot of content for years now, seeking to avoid Radiance gating.

Originally Posted by Sapience

It was no a joke. Radiance will be removed from LOTRO. I'm not sure which update, but it won't be this week.

Ok radiance will be removed but why in the world give us new instances to give us even more radiance gear?!?!?!?!?!?!

First: Halle-****ing-lujah.

Second: Here's hoping whatever it's replaced with isn't twice as asinine.

Awesome! What more can I say.. radiance gating ftl

It would make more sense to have a deed or quest related lock to enable to enter instances.

While I'm glad this is going to happen, I have to wonder why they made 2 new radiance sets with the revamped Helegrod and Annuminas sets.

Originally Posted by mmogaming

Ok radiance will be removed but why in the world give us new instances to give us even more radiance gear?!?!?!?!?!?!

This is a very important question.

The only reason to get the new Annuminas and Helegrod gear is for the radiance. New raiders will be using it to help with BG HMs - particularly the Lieutenant. Tier 1 and tier 2 radiance armour (all very easy to obtain) are superior to it, statistically.

If radiance is going away, why bother with these sets? Will they be in-game long enough so we can farm BG for a few months before the radiance wipe?

In other words, if radiance is removed in the next content update, there will be no reason to do Helegrod.

Originally Posted by mmogaming

Ok radiance will be removed but why in the world give us new instances to give us even more radiance gear?!?!?!?!?!?!

Because it hasn't been removed yet.

Originally Posted by Sapience

It was no a joke. Radiance will be removed from LOTRO. I'm not sure which update, but it won't be this week.

Huzzah! That will be the best Rad Gear update ever!

Sapience I could kiss ya! (Unless your a guy and then I'll buy ya a six-pack of beer!)


This is GREAT! SO great to see this gone. I'm not a big raider by any means. Have never even done the Watcher, so it will be wonderful to see this gone....finished..kaput! Even though it's not officially gone now...will now be deciding on what armor to wear with no regard to its rad component.



*putting down my pepsi now and breaking open some Coor's lights"

Originally Posted by mmogaming

Ok radiance will be removed but why in the world give us new instances to give us even more radiance gear?!?!?!?!?!?!

Until Radiance is removed the new sets still have to work within the current system.

Originally Posted by Magian

In other words, if radiance is removed in the next content update, there will be no reason to do Helegrod.

It is possible it isn't a retroactive removal. Maybe it will just being "removed" from new content. However, if that is the case then they should clarify it.

This is very, very interesting. All people do now is run various instances to get radiance gear that's +5/+10/+15 better radiance per piece than what they have now. With the exception of rare drop items there would be absolutely no reason to run these unless they rework the concept for running end-game instances.

I am intrigued to see what the focus will be of these instances if radiance is removed.

WOOT.

Now just make raid drops as awesome as they were in the Rift, as well as buffing up armour sets, and we're good

Any chat transcript anywhere?

Originally Posted by Devildoc

While I'm glad this is going to happen, I have to wonder why they made 2 new radiance sets with the revamped Helegrod and Annuminas sets.

Because they were busy reading the hysteria over meters, so instead of devoting time to the API they fiddled with gear that's soon to be obsolete. j/k

But yea, I wonder the same thing. My guess is it will be a while before the loss of Rad. likely Rohan at the earliest.

Originally Posted by gildhur

Because it hasn't been removed yet.

Indeed. The new sets are just good enough to get into the existing rad-gear instances. They are an on-ramp, placed exactly where those inclined to such play will almost certainly go anyway, prior to Moria, and thus in passing-get gear without pushing too hard. So when the other stuff goes away, they don't feel they've wasted time.

Tough break for the 14 people that actually like rad gear, and those who advocated raid gating through such a means.

However its harder to sell raids in the store, as content, if you also have to have gear to go into them. Ergo, "hey, I bought this, what do you mean I can't use it for?"

Good bloody riddance to it. I can say I've never tried to get Rad Gear, hated the idea from start, and will never have earned a single item before it is removed.

Somebody find me where the grave will be, so I can dance on it later.

Long live casual players!

Originally Posted by Magian

This is a very important question.

The only reason to get the new Annuminas and Helegrod gear is for the radiance. New raiders will be using it to help with BG HMs - particularly the Lieutenant. Tier 1 and tier 2 radiance armour (all very easy to obtain) are superior to it, statistically.

If radiance is going away, why bother with these sets? Will they be in-game long enough so we can farm BG for a few months before the radiance wipe?

In other words, if radiance is removed in the next content update, there will be no reason to do Helegrod.

Excatly, now what will be the insetive? Why go farm it if the gear you get from it will not be needed. I guess we keep getting symbols for that perfect second age!

Originally Posted by gildhur

Because it hasn't been removed yet.

Thats not the pt, Magian explained it. Why on earth go through this process when the gear will be useless now. The main reason for having the different "roadmaps" to obtain the radiance gear is for people to be able to gain access to the "raid content". It has me puzzled, why on earth put radiance on gear when they know its going away?

I just do not understand it, if they knew raidance was going away then make the gear stats be good and passives even better but do not add radiance to the gear, and explain to the people we doing this because radiance is going away. Not the other way around.....

Originally Posted by mmogaming

Ok radiance will be removed but why in the world give us new instances to give us even more radiance gear?!?!?!?!?!?!

Options. We will be stuck with radiance for a while longer, and during that time there will still be need for radiance to enter BG. At least now, you can mix it up doing something other than the DG cluster.

Once they remove radiance, you will still have the gear (minus the radiance stat), and radiance doesn't really have an impact on anything else, so it won't have an impact on the rest of the game removing it. For the moment though, adding more ways to gain radiance is a good thing.

Originally Posted by Devildoc

While I'm glad this is going to happen, I have to wonder why they made 2 new radiance sets with the revamped Helegrod and Annuminas sets.

Different decision-makers, maybe. One way to solve the radiance problem is to remove it entirely. Another is to make radiance so accessible, it is effectively the same as removing it entirely. Perhaps they were pursuing the problem from both ends.

Also, "We will be removing Radiance" does not specify a time frame. Next book update? Next new raid? Next level cap increase? December 2010? March 2011? September 2011? I'm still glad to have new paths to radiance until that unspecified time.

Even if they do remove radiance, there is almost certainly gonna be some other type of gate in place. Considering how easy it is to get radiance now, it may actually become worse.

Plus, the existing raids are still gonna have gloom in them, simply because they're designed around it and I highly doubt they're gonna re-do them anytime soon.

One positive thing about no gloom (and thus no need for radiance), is that they will actually have to design the encounters without using gloom as a difficulty adjustment slider.

Originally Posted by Druc

It is possible it isn't a retroactive removal. Maybe it will just being "removed" from new content. However, if that is the case then they should clarify it.

Amen. I would love to get the details. Regardless, most MMOs out there have some form of gating to get into raids. Its a "build" in time sink for the MMO companies.

Becareful what we wish for. Imgine trying to do 100 quests to be able to raid a certain area? Or need deeds to get your valor to 10, justice to 10, etc to be able to raid in an instance. Anyway you cut it, its going to be grinding something.

Woohoo! I feel bad for all those that worked so hard to get the right pieces for the right raids, but being the casual player that I am, I am thrilled that I won't have to invest time I don't have and skills I don't have to get access to certain instances.
I sincerely dislike the gear-gating, and I will be very happy to see the end of it.

That being said, there is no way of knowing yet if there won't be an equal gating system set up with something other than radiance gear.

I think more basically that the Rad system didn't work, was widely hated across the player base, and likely their own numbers indicated folks were avoiding content precisely because of it.

The new sets are a stop-gap, to give new players a zero-investment way to get into later raids with lesser gear, and not be as mad about losing Rad gear later.

Plus, it is hard to sell raids requiring rad gear, if you have to deal with unhappy players kvetching about how they bought a raid they can't run, because they don't have the gear.

Whatever replaces this will have to conform to the new F2P model, and that aspect is what folks are missing. A gate? Of sorts maybe, but not the likes of which we have now.

Amen. Truly let folks remember this when they say Turbine/Warner Brothers Interactive doesn't listen.

That only means they are going to put some other lame, gotta-grind-your-butt-off-for-it system in its place...OR, you can buy it at the LOTRO Store!

Originally Posted by Yanics_girl

Woohoo! I feel bad for all those that worked so hard to get the right pieces for the right raids, but being the casual player that I am, I am thrilled that I won't have to invest time I don't have and skills I don't have to get access to certain instances.
I sincerely dislike the gear-gating, and I will be very happy to see the end of it.

That being said, there is no way of knowing yet if there won't be an equal gating system set up with something other than radiance gear.

Coming soon to the Turbine Store!

Originally Posted by Quig

It would make more sense to have a deed or quest related lock to enable to enter instances.

Agreed. The concept is solid; it's the execution that was the problem. If Radiance had been attached to deeds and (this is my addition) was totaled for the whole group rather than just for individual characters*, it'd have been an interesting system.

*- Explanation: Rather than requiring each character to have X Radiance, require the group to have X*(6 or 12). That would shift the flavor towards "giving your friends the courage to fight" rather than "I'm cool enough to be here". It'd also allow for more accomplished characters to aid and support less accomplished ones without "carrying" them in combat.

Originally Posted by Magian

The only reason to get the new Annuminas and Helegrod gear is for the radiance. New raiders will be using it to help with BG HMs - particularly the Lieutenant. Tier 1 and tier 2 radiance armour (all very easy to obtain) are superior to it, statistically.

The new Aurochs set is probably the best damage-dealing set for hunters, so they're not all statistically inferior. The Great Bow set might come close, but none of the other sets hold a candle to it.

OMG!!!!

/happy dance

Yes yes yes yes yes!!!! please say it's true!!!!!!!

this game was at it's best when EVERYONE could enjoy the most compeling content in the game... Nothing would make me happier for lotro then this..

Since when is all this gating some sort of MMO requirement? Level in itself is a gate.. additional gating that alginates the majority of th community for no reason other then to stroke a few egos has done nothing but hurt this game..

Remove it from gear is fine but put it into deed system!!!