Thread: Give freeps some new skills

Playing a freep is just boring in moors. Getting Renown is pointless, but how about making getting ranks actually useful and fun like it is for creeps. Why not give new earn-able skills for the moors for freep side. I'm sure this would bring tons of new people to play freep and earn these skills if just for fun.

My ideas while I was bored, give each class a skill they can get PvMPing that is upgraded with rank.

Now obviously balance is important, so this is something that might be adjusted to balance better. But even as they are I think they certainly won't tip the balance as creeps always getting more hp, mitigations, etc all the time.


Minstrel:
-Rank 3: Heals target 70% HP.
-Rank 5: Heals target 85% HP.
-Rank 7: Heals target 100% HP.
Cooldown 7.5 mins.

RK:
-Rank 3: Drops an AOE circle for 15s that leeches HP and/or Power from creeps inside.
-Rank 5: Same but more effective
-Rank 7: Same but even more effective
Cooldown 15 mins.

Guardian:
-Rank 3: Increase MAX hp by 2k, hot for 10 secs.
-Rank 5: Increase MAX hp by 2k, hot for 15 secs.
-Rank 7: Increase MAX hp by 2k, hot for 20 secs.
Cooldown 15 mins.

Champ:
-Rank 3: 15% reflect on all direct dmg taken for 10 secs.
-Rank 5: 20% reflect on all direct dmg taken for 10 secs.
-Rank 7: 25% reflect on all direct dmg taken for 10 secs.
Cooldown 15 mins.

Warden:
-Rank 3: 15% of all direct dmg GIVEN, heals self, 10 secs.
-Rank 5: 20% of all direct dmg GIVEN, heals self, 10 secs.
-Rank 7: 25% of all direct dmg GIVEN, heals self, 10 secs.
Cooldown 15 mins.

Burgler:
-Rank 3: Target can't be healed for 3 secs.
-Rank 5: Target can't be healed for 6 secs.
-Rank 7: Target can't be healed for 8 secs.
Cooldown 20 mins.

LM:
-Rank 3: Puts debuff on target (eye) that if not removed in 5 secs, roots target and moves to another target in 1m range.
-Rank 5: Puts debuff on target (eye) that if not removed in 5 secs, roots target and moves to another target in 2m range.
-Rank 7: Puts debuff on target (eye) that if not removed in 5 secs, roots target and moves to another target in 3m range.
Cooldown 20m.

Captain:
-Rank 3: Target does 20% more dmg, Captain is paralyzed and all dmg taken by target does same dmg to Captain also, 10 secs.
-Rank 5: Target does 35% more dmg, Captain is paralyzed and all dmg taken by target does same dmg to Captain also, 10 secs.
-Rank 7: Target does 60% more dmg, Captain is paralyzed and all dmg taken by target does same dmg to Captain also, 10 secs.
Cooldown 15m.

Hunter:
-can't think of anything that isn't OP. :P
-maybe self snare/root removal on long cooldown.


The whole point is bring something New and Fun to moors, too many freeps I know try moors and of those who like it and want to come back, after a few tries just say it isn't fun after a while. I guarantee something like this would just bring SO many more people into moors.

Freeps have plenty of skills... furthermore your "suggested PvP earned skills" are far too OP as is.

I'd rather see decent gear rewarded for PvP'ing as the raiding gear in this game is unattainable by most LotRO'rs (they don't have the time to spend power gaming let alone devoting hours upon end forming raids/figuring out boss strats).

Worst thing this game ever did really... turn its direction from casual gaming toward pure grinding/raiding.

Good rewards would be better than more skills on my Freeps. They have too many skills already...

freeps have way too many useless skills in moors.

why give skills added in the new update then? all freeps have lots of skills anyways, does a hunter really need another dmg skill? Rewards like armor/jewelry aren't relevant to this anyways, obviously new stuff always needs to be added as new lvls are added to players, and everyone outgrows old stuff.

Clearly anyone who plays freep in moors would be happy with anything that you can do with renown, that doesn't mean we can't discuss all those things.

also for all the creep QQers, most of the things i've listed already exist in some form for creeps, so save your 'Freeps are OP' garbage for Sep 10, cause we all know there will be massive QQ after those changes.

No freeps have way too many skills as is. Give every class an equivalent to the rank 4 armlet and that is a start. Then good moors sets and you are getting somewhere

Heck i'd be against new skills for creeps even. I have a rk 6 spider and rk 5 reaver and enjoy not having full to the brim bars while I play. Now improved skills I would like but we don't need more icons

I agree that freeps need new skills designed especially for pvmp, I disagree that they should be long cooldowns with way too much power. For example as a burglar I can tell you that 8s of unable to heal is a lot. Thats basically turning a defiler into 6000 health worth of punching bag, with no immunity or diminishing returns that means a burg pack can destroy a pack of defilers/warleaders hands down with no challenge. I'd say something that can be A) used more often and B) less powerful...would be good.

Freeps don't have too many skills, if you look at which ones are actually useful in pvmp our list grows thinner. Our classes are designed with pve in mind, since we have to give them up can we atleast have a few pvp skills to replace them?

Originally Posted by lescastor

Freeps don't have too many skills, if you look at which ones are actually useful in pvmp our list grows thinner. Our classes are designed with pve in mind, since we have to give them up can we atleast have a few pvp skills to replace them?

My rank 8 spider has 3, yes 3, damage skills 4 if you include the pet. I'm quite sure freeps don't need more dps options in the moors.

However it's not a bad idea to make the rank gated armour sets better. I stopped pve because every end game activity was aimed toward getting more radiance so you can do some Radiance gated instance....yawn. I would freep again if the rank rewards were awesome like they were when the lvl cap was 50.
Remember that wicked champion mace? It not only looked good but it was one of the best weapons a champ could want. It was the reason I pvp'ed. Bring back that sort of Shiny stuff and the freeps will surely follow.

Originally Posted by ksjock

My rank 8 spider has 3, yes 3, damage skills 4 if you include the pet. I'm quite sure freeps don't need more dps options in the moors.

However it's not a bad idea to make the rank gated armour sets better. I stoped pve because every end game activity was aimed toward getting more radiance so you can do some Radiance gated instance....yawn. I would freep again if the rank rewards were awesomelike they were when the lvl cap was 50.
Remember that wicked champion mace? It not only looked good but it was one of the best weapons a champ could want. It was the reason I pvp'ed. Bring back that sort of Shiny stuff and the freeps will surely follow.

yeah I remember the week DoF came out, on gladden we were flipping keeps back and forth just to get inside. After that we actually got in a few good fights down there playing cat and mouse while trying to farm our lumes. If Turbine could pull that off again the pvmp crowd may actually be happy again

Also I wasn't suggesting dps skills since I agree we have plenty of those, but there's stuff creeps even get thats "pvp only" like disarm for reavers, stat reduction, and other stuff that fits our role better.

Originally Posted by lescastor

yeah I remember the week DoF came out, on gladden we were flipping keeps back and forth just to get inside. After that we actually got in a few good fights down there playing cat and mouse while trying to farm our lumes. If Turbine could pull that off again the pvmp crowd may actually be happy again

I couldn't agree more. We used to raid to flip enough keeps to hit dof and the raid would break up some would stay and pvp, others would go look for lums, others would log onto their creeps that were logged out in the delving to go sneak a kill or two and some fliped from creep to freep to get into the delving.

What was good was it added another dimention to pvp another way to mix things up. The thing is pvp hasn't really changed the rewards just arn't there for the freeps any more. In a round about way one could argue; LI's and radiance killed pvp for some freeps.

I would rather see freeps get an 'aura' or something like that. A group buff based on rank, or maybe even a personal buff based on rank. Either way, I don't think it would be that hard to pull off.

Freeps have way to many skills already that they do not use that are great for pvp


I wouldn't mind some reward other then gear. There are tons of things repair discount/vendor item discount kind of things that would be cool...higher rank less money. Or be able to buy ok power/morale pots in GV...something of that sort


On the idea of skills though...it would be to much for new skills. Something that would not be bad though would be skill improvement. Something like say..man heal is now usable on the move...or elf parry now gives an extra 25% evade...things like that. Not to amazing because of the CD but something to look forward to

I love to creep because I like constant rewards...I generally roll new toons once I hit r7 or so because I like the reward...

Freeps are already swiss army knives. They don't need more skills, but do need better incentives/rewards.

Make the PvMP armor sets on a par with the best sets available in the game, with an eye towards usefulness in PvP.
Make the chests in GV worthwhile.
Better loot in the Delving, including Symbols on the biggest bosses and decent chance for tome drops on the other bosses.

More involved would be creating PvMP kinship ratings that give benefits, based on cumulative members' ranks.

i believe freeps should be nerfed to rank
etc
*rank 1. -10%defense -10%attack debuff
*rank 2. -8%defense -8%attack debuff
*rank 3. -6%defense -6%attack debuff
*rank 4. -4%defense -4%attack debuff
*rank 5. -2%defence -2%attack debuff
*rank 6. -1%defence -1%attack debuff
*rank 7. neutral
*rank 8. +1%defence +1%attack buff
*rank 9. +2%defence +2%attack buff
*rank 10. +3%defence +3%attack buff
*rank 11. +4.5%defence +4.5%attack buff
*rank 12. +6%defence +6%attack buff
*rank 13. +7.5%defense + 7.5%attack buff
*rank 14. +9%defense + 9%attack buff
*rank 15. +10%defense +10%attack buff + Captain General Aura Group buff
its not complicated really, new freeps shouldnt just walk into the ettenmoors and be no different then a rank15 freep

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