Thread: Why do some people hate hobbits?

I like hobbits. My hobbit burglar decided she is very adorable. My elf loremaster thinks the boys are worth flirting with and my warg reports that they taste just like chicken. :P

Originally Posted by NamelessZombie

But they are not children. They may not, on average, have uber troll like strength, but then neither do men nor elves. Elves more then anyone should not be able to wear heavy armor, but those little twigs walk around in 75lbs of armor as if it was nothing. (And no, your lvl 15 guardian does not have "mithril armor". Heck, I doubt few elves weight more then 75 pounds to begin with....

Ummmmm elves are astoundingly strong. Most fantasy portrays them as a graceful (i.e. 'wussy') race, but Tolkien's elves are incredibly powerful (much stronger than hobbits). Hands down, an elf would be able to wear heavy armour.

You don't have to be that strong to wear "heavy" armour. The "heavy" part refers more to the material it's made of, rather than its physical weight. And, besides, hobbits, by the description of Professor Tolkien himself, were not weak, only short. The idea that hobbits can't wear heavy armour (except, of course, for Pippin, as a Tower Guard. Oh, and Merry during the battle of Pelennor. Oh, and Frodo & Sam, as they crept through Mordor disguised as goblins...) is ridiculous.

I don't hate hobbit players, only hobbit NPCs.

Hobbit quest giver: "Why ARE you bothering me?"
Me: "Um, you had a job you wanted me to do?"
Hobbit quest giver: "If you need something then speak UP!"
Me: "Look I'm trying to do you a favor. Also, your speech inflection makes no sense."
Hobbit quest giver: "I'M HUNgry. Fetch me something to eat."
Me: -to myself- "Man those Turbine Points better be worth it."

Originally Posted by brianvencill

You don't have to be that strong to wear "heavy" armour. The "heavy" part refers more to the material it's made of, rather than its physical weight. And, besides, hobbits, by the description of Professor Tolkien himself, were not weak, only short. The idea that hobbits can't wear heavy armour (except, of course, for Pippin, as a Tower Guard. Oh, and Merry during the battle of Pelennor. Oh, and Frodo & Sam, as they crept through Mordor disguised as goblins...) is ridiculous.

I'm assuming you have never worn armor. I myself have a haubergeon made with steel rings, as well as a scale mail vest (also steel). They are both very heavy. Now that's just maille. Any sort of plate mail made out of iron or steel or any other metal save for mithril would be extremely cumbersome. Unless you had extensive training and unless your are strong and have a lot of endurance, you'll find yourself out of breath in a true battle before it even started. (I tried on my friend's plate armor once in a reenactment, never again...)

Originally Posted by Thaimli

I'm assuming you have never worn armor.

You assumed wrong. I actually dabble in blacksmith/armoursmith work and have not only worn mail and plate armour, but I've actually forged it. It's not that heavy if worn and made properly. And would be even less heavy for a hobbit, since hobbits are only half the height of a human. Sam's iron cooking gear would be more heavy than a hobbit-sized chain hauberk.

Originally Posted by brianvencill

You assumed wrong. I actually dabble in blacksmith/armoursmith work and have not only worn mail and plate armour, but I've actually forged it. It's not that heavy if worn and made properly. And would be even less heavy for a hobbit, since hobbits are only half the height of a human. Sam's iron cooking gear would be more heavy than a hobbit-sized chain hauberk.

Hm. I suppose you are right on that. I forgot to take in account that hobbits are quite small, then yes, I suppose it would be much lighter.

BTW, I didn't intend to sound d-baggish. I just re-read my reply and it came off a bit terse and reactionary.

I just started a Dwarf Hunter to replace my Hobbit Hunter, (My highest level char), because I just like the Dwarves more. Going to have only Dwarves in my character slots. I am pretty apathetic in regards to Hobbits actually, (as far as this game goes), but absolutely will not play an Elf in any game. Hate em, ever since they treated Thorin and Co. so badly, and everyone wanted to play one in D&D.

Now in my old MMO or choice, I hated Halflings, of @sslings as they were referred to. Mainly due to the people who played them.

hobbit-burg. nuff said!

Don't worry, I hate elves to my very core. But that's okay, because elves aren't even people.

LOTRO was and always will be my first, and last MMORPG, I play no other game. When I first started playing, I always wanted to be a Man or Dwarf kick-### heavy-wearing Warrior-based class. I would never in a million years ever choose to play a Hobbit or be any other type of class other than a heavy. A year later, I have a 75 Hobbit Burg :O, couldn't tell you what got me to try it, but I did it, and I enjoyed it while it lasted.

Now that I'm 75, and there's really nothing much to do rather than troll glff, I have started working on two other characters, both Hobbits, and ones a Hunter, ones a Warden (might change to Minstrel, any advice as to what to choose would be nice). So as you can see, my preferred race/class choice has changed, and as may yours some day! Don't kick us Hobbits to the ground just yet! You may one day join the Brotherhood.

Another little tid-bit, the Hobbit is the perfect race for me because they are short, and I game on my laptop, which has a significantly smaller screen than desktop computers. My UI is scrunched all along the sides just so I have some room to see where I'm running and who I'm fighting. Not to mention, watching Men and Elf characters bump up and down as if their humping their mount is just annoying, and Dwarves are far too bulky for ponies. I like the way my Hobbit Characters look on my mounts (and especially on my goat mount).

^ That latter paragraph was just one pro about Hobbits to me, some may try it out if they as well have smaller screens to game on. In Conclusion, don't hate on Hobbits until you tried em' out.

As for hating on Elves, go right ahead, no argument there.

Well, I do not very well like hobbits because there are only 4 hobbits I know that are really fit for war, Frodo, Sam, Merry, and Pippin. I don't see how any hobbit can just join the war (unless they go through the same things they went through).
I wouldn't say I hate hobbits though, they are very merry and happy

But I like dwarfs, and elf's the most

People that hate hobbits are secretly saying..please kick me in the....midsection.

people that hate hobbits are denying their inner child and are that much lessor for it.

Honestly I think its partly started from the shire quests. Oh my GOD those quests are just painful and the npc's are jerkish.

"I'll tell you what I know of that fool took if you run into a valley of bears for my pipe weed" " haha never said i knew anything" ugh *Resists urge to kick in the mouth* and that's only one. Not to mention the sackvill-baggins party chain, or the writ quest chain or the * goes on and on*

And for people talking about the weight of armor. You get used to it. just like if you wear high heals. At first good luck even standing. give it a few thousand steps as you walk across an entire country. Well by the end of the first thousand miles well You'll be able to do flips in them. Granted one is weight one is ballance but same principle applies. You work out certain muscles and over time it becomes easier.

Only played two races, Man and Hobbit, so far, plan to play Dwarf and Elf eventually partly to see the different starting stories. I really am surprised when I started doing Quests and Deeds in the Shire, I have done Bree-Land and some in the Dwarf/Elf area, the Shire Quests/Deeds are so FLIPPING EASY. I am amazed no one put them into any starting guide, really:

- Start in Michael Delving, do ALL Postman deliveries, finish Deed and get a Virtue, no combat ever.
- When finished, travel to Hobbiton and do all the Pie Quests/Deeds, another Virtue and no combat ever!

Even if the level is shown higher than yours, these alone get you a few levels and 2 Virtues to slot, some TP and not ONCE did you fight anything, you also learn how to stay out of mob detection range and figure out ways around problems from dodging the Nosy and Hungry Hobbits.

Even a Man, Dwarf or Elf could travel to Michael Delving and do those two. Plus unlike the Bree Quests, Shire Quests give you a choice of an item or food the second always being useful, Bree Quests it is usually an item sometimes they are useless so you just sell them off.

Also as a Hobbit, don't try to finish any Quests involving Wolves or Spiders until you hit the right level to see if they will also count for achieving Racial Traits. Men have a problem here, even when I hit the right level it is not easy finding Dead or Wargs to get Men Traits.

The biggest pain early playing Hobbits is fighting Bears.

Funny how the perspective completely changes from post to post.

I'll do what nobody here did. Refer you to a documentary. They discuss the parallels of Tolkeins world and the symbolism of each of the races.
http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Na...?trkid=2361637

The Elves represented the old ways and were the better of the races. This was expressed through their grace and majesty .. Tolkein truly loved the Elves. Their leaving Middle Earth is symbolic of the loss of 'old ways', 'knowledge' and high magic. Their supernatural and mythic abilities are his way of showing what magics will be lost by the new age.
The Hobbits represented the lifestyle he was accustomed to, the beautiful small village, simple, slower lifestyle mentality and a part of the world that was disappearing to ...

The world of Men and progress. Easily corruptible and capable of both extreme acts of good and evil. neither truly good nor evil but merely a race of short lived potential to be either.
Dwarves represented what could go wrong with greed and over industrialization. not necessarily evil but short-sighted and unwise. It's no wonder so many people want to play them since greed seems to be the one thing people are capable of in spades anymore. But truly, their greed unleashed the Balrog and other untold evils in Moria and ultimately facilitated their destruction and passing from Middle Earth. No matter how many times they were warned, they were headstrong and denied the effects created by the cause. Sounds like a lot of people today who think that what they do has little or no impact on the world or the environment in which they reside. This is why I do not personally like Dwarves ...

Saruman, Sauron, the Orcs and all of the ugliness that was brought into Middle Earth was the result of industrialization, corruption, and the need for power and domination over others. I dare say Tolkein was a Luddite.
Most of all, he loved the Elves and the Hobbits and then, men (whom I think he still believed had a chance to fix it all and redeem themselves).

Lastly, I think people who make gender jokes are uncomfortable in their own gender. Just like people who have issues with nudity are usually closet-pervs and people who hate geys are usually afraid that they are themselves. There's nothing wrong with being partial but bias and hatred towards fictional characters represented by the ugliness of real-world personal bigotry and discrimination is repugnant.

I personally like Elves because I am a fan of Tolkeins writing. I love the majesty and myth of their lore. The Hobbits are my next favorite as it's hard to despise a group who is made up of simple folk who have the best intentions.

They are just trying to compensate for the fact that, deep down...

they are pervy hobbit-fanciers.

Personally I hate hobbits because they're too damn lazy to deliver their own post and pies.

People are scared of that which is smaller yet mightier than them.