Thread: Suggestion

Originally Posted by Thorandril

Venomous haze just shouldn't stack, especially with the type of effect the skill has. That's ridiculous.

I would vote for this. But as a fellow spider and myself were discussing the other day, in exchange make it a range skill to still keep it woth using

Originally Posted by thenoobler

I have played in the Moors on 4 different servers.... Good luck Illthalion on finding what you are looking for...

Smaller pop servers doesnt mean you can run around in solo heaven .... means you will get stomped 5v1 instead of 10v1 ....

Smaller servers are just as zergy as the high pop servers, sometimes worse, as they are even more freep-starved .....

Everything you guys are complaining about I've heard since before the Trammel/Felucca split in UO 12 or 13 years ago.... its the nature of an open PVP zone.... all playstyles mix and mingle.

If you are running solo or small group... EXPECT to eventually run into a larger group... everyday... day after day... until the day they close the servers.

Yes, but that does not mean we should ALWAYS go to the extremes. Like Stick mentioned, vent call-ins are ridiculous nowadays and what's far worse is that people are being called out even in the presence of fair numbers.

The days pass, the more zergy our Moors gets, and guess which side comes out on top :/
I completely agree that Turbine needs to do some huge improvements in the Moors, but I also believe theres a lot of work to be done by us, the players. Does not matter how well balanced the Moors might be, if players dont put work into it, I'm afraid the unforgiving zerg will still be around.

The two biggests issues the current Moors have, IMO, are:
1)The lack of small groups, which leads to even worse zerg.
and 2)cowardice. You would not know how frustrating it is to have no CC whatsoever, and yet being kited all the way from GV to stab, just to get wtfrickrollzerged.

Now I'm not saying raiding is lame, after all it seems to be the most followed playstyle.
But you should know that if we go out there as a big group killing every single solo'er... the outcome is pretty obvious.

In the end, the choice is yours. Do you want good fights or not?

Lol. Was funny my group of 3 yesterday was called out several times in vent. I remember at one point there being bubba, Carpetburn, Moorwyn, Yicky, Cowlick, Grizlark, Kralzirg, and some other R4 warg.

Thats a fair fight right?

Out of curiosity how do you know that you've been called out? Sitting on creep TS? Just saying that you can't keep thinking the worst of folks, there have been plenty of times, that my small group has been engaged and a raid of folks, or another group, just doing their rounds will map or walk past. Happens both sides.

Originally Posted by snarfy

Lol. Was funny my group of 3 yesterday was called out several times in vent. I remember at one point there being bubba, Carpetburn, Moorwyn, Yicky, Cowlick, Grizlark, Kralzirg, and some other R4 warg.

Thats a fair fight right?

and unfortunate side effect of server voice communication. in a small group, one of you says map HERE, 10 people follow you. I dont remember the fight you are referring too (was around a LONG time yesterday) but I do remember a group of around 10+ (with you in or near it) solo stomping me too buddy boy :P

Originally Posted by Assassin12

What do you mean spread rumours the pvp there is amazing, dont believe me? Transfer your creep and see it for yourself!

Exactly, look at the high ranked PvPers originally from Windfola, Anetheroc, Xkillah, Digilemur, Ariella, ect ect ect (clearly there are many more who I can't remember). PvP on Windy is amazing, all (australians) should roll greenies and slowly stroll aroud the map looking for lonley captains to kill (individually though, grouping up would make this unfair!).

Originally Posted by CandiceAurora

Out of curiosity how do you know that you've been called out? Sitting on creep TS? Just saying that you can't keep thinking the worst of folks, there have been plenty of times, that my small group has been engaged and a raid of folks, or another group, just doing their rounds will map or walk past. Happens both sides.

Actually Some creeps tell me when **** like that happens if I ask. I was told Bubba called us out in vent.

Originally Posted by CandiceAurora

I've had Freep Raids roll over me in remote, non-obvious locations, doesn't mean I assume the worst for people. Don't get me wrong, I know it does happen, but I just don't think it is fair to assume the worst, and that everyone does it. Happens both sides, maps just make it easier for creeps!

The difference is I can't call out on vent/ooc and say everyone map here i have So and so on me. And have 10+ people be there in 3seconds.

Originally Posted by dragex

Yes, but that does not mean we should ALWAYS go to the extremes. Like Stick mentioned, vent call-ins are ridiculous nowadays and what's far worse is that people are being called out even in the presence of fair numbers.

That comes down to each individual person deciding on his or her own wether to make the call out. You cant holds the entire faction responsible for the decision of one individual, nor can you hold the entire player base responsible for it. Me, I dont call people out, and Ive sent PM's to people that have called out solo's. Sometimes it takes being proactive in educating people. This is a process that will be ongoing till the end of time itself.... be part of the solution not the problem. QQing on the forums isnt part of the solution.

Take today for instance... I had a 10man group... Orak has logged cause it was prolly 2am in aussieland and he ahd to sleep... the 10 or so solo freeps at GV were being camped... I dropped my banner and renamed it "GOINGTOOSTRINGDIR" I suicided and rezzed a few times, replanting the banner right in front of GV.... then a bunch of us suicided and went to OST to see if we could give the freeps a better fight with our 10man group... not one freep showed up over the course of 30mins... they were happy as a pig in muck to shuffle at GV one shots... even after communicating through the banner... should I have gotten on gLFF frepside? nope... We just regrouped at GV hill and zerged the fools who kept making the GV to EC dash, which got boring after an hour and I logged.

Originally Posted by dragex

2)cowardice. You would not know how frustrating it is to have no CC whatsoever, and yet being kited all the way from GV to stab, just to get wtfrickrollzerged.

Ya I guess my WL has no clue what you are talking about :P

Originally Posted by snarfy

The difference is I can't call out on vent/ooc and say everyone map here i have So and so on me. And have 10+ people be there in 3seconds.

And all I'd need to do is kite/burrow/hips until I get help.

Originally Posted by snarfy

Actually Some creeps tell me when **** like that happens if I ask. I was told Bubba called us out in vent.

Maybe they're just sick of hearing folks complain? To be honest the one reason I always pull out Stubi, and will quite happily kill him regardless of the number of folks killing him is because I got sick of pulling up the E forums, and seeing a new thread complaining about it. Maybe in a month it'll get old for me.

Originally Posted by CandiceAurora

Maybe they're just sick of hearing folks complain? To be honest the one reason I always pull out Stubi, and will quite happily kill him regardless of the number of folks killing him is because I got sick of pulling up the E forums, and seeing a new thread complaining about it. Maybe in a month it'll get old for me.

So you think zerging someone who feels 10+v1 Is the way to solve things? Lol... Think before you speak.

Originally Posted by CandiceAurora

Maybe in a month it'll get old for me.

I doubt it.

Originally Posted by snarfy

So you think zerging someone who feels 10+v1 Is the way to solve things? Lol... Think before you speak.

Did you truly just say that? *sigh* That went so over your head it isn't even funny. Do you think whining about 10v1 is a way to solve things? *rolls eyes* I think everyone, Freep or Creep should make a thread when it happens to them! Lets do it!

Stubi! Tiny Tank! Go! *giggles*

Well, if I'm out numbered in a fight, I prefer it to be a zerg. Quicker trip to the rez circle so I can get back on my feet again instead of slowly dieing when there is nothing I can do about it anyway.

Seriously though, I can related to the frustration...especially on my hunter. Take 5 different paths out of GV just to get sent back to the rez by a group of 15. It happens on both sides, but I find it happens more often on freep side. I don't mind fellowships, 1/2 raids, and raids being called out on TS or OOC, but there is no reason to call out singles or duo's. I shake my head every time I see it.

Originally Posted by CandiceAurora

Maybe they're just sick of hearing folks complain? To be honest the one reason I always pull out Stubi, and will quite happily kill him regardless of the number of folks killing him is because I got sick of pulling up the E forums, and seeing a new thread complaining about it. Maybe in a month it'll get old for me.

Not sure if you are being serious or not but every person who says about zerging me because i made some threads is speaking a load of pure human fecal matter. Why? Because i get zerged no more now after making the threads than i used to before i made a single thread.

Also people speak about fixing the moors yet when people point out things that suck in the moors the opposite side makes a point of doing it more then speaks about the great community my ***.

Try not being in creep vent for a week i guarantee the zergs will be reduced as not many people are going to stand there and type in OOC and if they do they will die quicker and the freep will kill them before the zerg maps in.

Originally Posted by Assassin12

Not sure if you are being serious or not but every person who says about zerging me because i made some threads is speaking a load of pure human fecal matter. Why? Because i get zerged no more now after making the threads than i used to before i made a single thread.

Try not being in creep vent for a week i guarantee the zergs will be reduced as not many people are going to stand there and type in OOC and if they do they will die quicker and the freep will kill them before the zerg maps in.

For starters, we're mocking and teasing you, take it in your stride deary!

Secondly, since creepies like macros a fair bit, I suspect they'll just macro "Freeps at PTR", then hit the button. There are maybe four locations I hear the most being called out, so I suspect it wouldn't be too hard to macro a few locations.

Again not defending this, but I feel like all the woes of PVMP are creepside's fault, and if you think that, then you are delusional. We're guilty, you're guilty, we've all jacked up someone's Moors Rule. I know people have been guilty of calling out solos and duos, and some of the older creepies are trying to tell folks not to. We are, but we're not miracle works, and some people's attitudes are beyond us.

Originally Posted by thenoobler

That comes down to each individual person deciding on his or her own wether to make the call out. You cant holds the entire faction responsible for the decision of one individual, nor can you hold the entire player base responsible for it. Me, I dont call people out, and Ive sent PM's to people that have called out solo's. Sometimes it takes being proactive in educating people. This is a process that will be ongoing till the end of time itself.... be part of the solution not the problem. QQing on the forums isnt part of the solution.


Take today for instance... I had a 10man group... Orak has logged cause it was prolly 2am in aussieland and he ahd to sleep... the 10 or so solo freeps at GV were being camped... I dropped my banner and prenamed it "GOINGTOOSTRINGDIR" I suicided and rezzed a few times, replanting the banner right in front of GV.... then a bunch of us suicided and went to OST to see if we could give the freeps a better fight with our 10man group... not one freep showed up over the course of 30mins... they were happy as a pig in muck to shuffle at GV one shots... even after communicating through the banner... should I have gotten on gLFF frepside? nope... We just regrouped at GV hill and zerged the fools who kept making the GV to EC dash, which got boring after an hour and I logged.


Ya I guess my WL has no clue what you are talking about :P

I believe I have played enough time in the Moors to make a simple sugestion about vent call outs. Im curious though, how is trying to promote small groups part of the problem? And could you point out exactly where I am QQing? Overreact much?


You cant really expect them to have read your banner's name - floaty names OFF ftw. And even if they read it, you just said I cant judge the creep population based on a few individuals, same falls on you.

Dealing with the zerg is easy!
you just need to order some overnight parts from japan
i fitted my tank with:
*1 oversized revision mirror
*Stage 4 turbo
*NOS
*SAT NAV (Ettenmoors)
*Road spikes
*4inch thick Roo Bar
*Off road tyres
*Long range fuel tank
*Chassy lowered
*Emergency parachute!

Originally Posted by dragex

I believe I have played enough time in the Moors to make a simple sugestion about vent call outs. Im curious though, how is trying to promote small groups part of the problem? And could you point out exactly where I am QQing? Overreact much?


You cant really expect them to have read your banner's name - floaty names OFF ftw. And even if they read it, you just said I cant judge the creep population based on a few individuals, same falls on you.

Hmm... rereading what I wrote, I originally typed my agreement with your original post, guess I accidentally edited out the wrong sentence...

Have fun looking for an arguement, see you in the moors.

How about when you have the outnumber buff don't solo within sight of known map ins?

Also, no sympathy for Rez Campers.

Originally Posted by Caunardhon

Also, no sympathy for Rez Campers.

Why?

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Originally Posted by Caunardhon

How about when you have the outnumber buff don't solo within sight of known map ins?

Also, no sympathy for Rez Campers.

The res is the only place i can find solo creeps...

p.s this thread was made as a joke kudos to those who picked that up

Originally Posted by snarfy

The difference is I can't call out on vent/ooc and say everyone map here i have So and so on me. And have 10+ people be there in 3seconds.

Don't camp map points then.

Originally Posted by BrotherGab

Don't camp map points then.

Lets go somewhere there are no map points close to, oh wait theres no creeps there

Originally Posted by CandiceAurora

I feel like all the woes of PVMP are creepside's fault......We're guilty...... we've all jacked up someone's Moors Rule. .

SEE!!! Its all the creeps fault!

<3

Originally Posted by Ginko

SEE!!! Its all the creeps fault!

<3

To be honest it is all actually V's fault.... *runs*

Originally Posted by CandiceAurora

To be honest it is all actually V's fault.... *runs*

Oh....now you've done it.

/blames Vyxe

Originally Posted by CandiceAurora

*sigh* So you would like creeps and freeps to be *balanced* based on one verses ones? No thanks. I'd much rather see us balanced for small grouping/raid situations.

small grouping is fine, the zerg needs to be controlled . Or raiding needs to be more promoted and lag fixed.

its a lot of work for raid leaders, its a lot of work for healers, its a lot of work for everyone to have to be dumped in a group of 24, expected to listen and there to be no drama.

although pre book 12 honestly is where it was.

i hate referring to that all the time but the small grouping then was epic and we had epic fights and coordinated fights w/ other groups that was like having a raid. yet u watched ur members in your group a lot more carefully.


i dont think we need more soloers per say but, the zergs need to be broken up. i had the other day half a raid of creeps scratching their loin cloths just waiting for 1 freep to go to ec (whom was looking for a fight of any kind). basically they bugged out the npcs and rushed in and it was over in 10 seconds.

i think fighting needs to be encouraged otherwise its,

i think this mentality has been too apparent for fighting since last year.

on both sides.

Originally Posted by Zalexia

Or

Shucks, I would have bet anything you didn't know what a capital letter was.

lol i do i'm just too lazy.;P

Originally Posted by Zalexia

small grouping is fine, the zerg needs to be controlled . Or raiding needs to be more promoted and lag fixed.

its a lot of work for raid leaders, its a lot of work for healers, its a lot of work for everyone to have to be dumped in a group of 24, expected to listen and there to be no drama.

See, I disagree. It isn't a lot of work to listen, and just do what is expected. If you don't want to do as you're told, then simply don't join the raid? I love playing my war leader as a DPS'er, but if I join the raid, I always toggle off the DPS stance, and ensure that I'm doing the very best to tank the NPCs if needed, and throw the heals/bubbles. I should think people should do the same. It truly boggles my mind that people run WS in a raid and then their raid wipes and they wonder why? The DPS you as a healer can put out is not comparable to the DPS your raid can do if you keep them alive. Just my opinion, but if you don't want to listen to someone else's instructions, make your own group or run solo. (God knows that is why I run solo/SG most of the time)

But I agree, lag is a major issue for raiding, and most of it is server side. Otherwise I'd much rather see us balanced for small groups/raids than solo.

I'd like to also mention that being solo close to a raid doesn't actually mean you're solo, since that's a simple misconception most of this server seems to be under.

Originally Posted by CandiceAurora

See, I disagree. It isn't a lot of work to listen, and just do what is expected. If you don't want to do as you're told, then simply don't join the raid? I love playing my war leader as a DPS'er, but if I join the raid, I always toggle off the DPS stance, and ensure that I'm doing the very best to tank the NPCs if needed, and throw the heals/bubbles. I should think people should do the same. It truly boggles my mind that people run WS in a raid and then their raid wipes and they wonder why? The DPS you as a healer can put out is not comparable to the DPS your raid can do if you keep them alive. Just my opinion, but if you don't want to listen to someone else's instructions, make your own group or run solo. (God knows that is why I run solo/SG most of the time)

But I agree, lag is a major issue for raiding, and most of it is server side. Otherwise I'd much rather see us balanced for small groups/raids than solo.

i heal when i need to and i support the community to the best that i can, but, its fun to blow things up w/ 2k + crits once in a while too. yet you can only do that small fellow or solo as a healer.

Originally Posted by Thorandril

I'd like to also mention that being solo close to a raid doesn't actually mean you're solo, since that's a simple misconception most of this server seems to be under.

i agree if i am out and about and not raiding, i make it a point to not gold tag. its not fair to the raid to have you linger around them and say gee i cant join cause i'm lagging so i'm solo but apparently i dont lag when i'm grabbing your renown. The only thing i wish though is once in a while if u say you cant join vent they understand. sometimes with me i wont join a raid because i cant hear well (due to my illness) ... with that said if i cant hear i cant focus.

I will avoid vent when its like that.

Yet i can still follow dots and target assist and ppl.