Thema: HoH Huggers: the Sequel

Wow, for soemone who gave up looking at walls of text, and not having enough hours in the day, man it's got to be better than walls of shaky stats that say the obvious. That post has been hi-jacked, but finally someone understood and a few times my experience was corroberated.

HoH is imo best for BG. Grave wound is great and I use it all the time. There is no need for a 4-5 LtC in DN or BG because you do not want to be pulling any aggro, you don't want to be aoe'ing much (SG, HoC hells yeah sure) but a single target fight where the captain hits Durchest, HoH is useful because, as Zand said, though Zand was good until he contradicted himself about the thread, you begin losing aspects of the package that make it what it is. These setups are good because they are used in unison to great effect. I am not aoe'ing in cc areas, or pulling aggro with grave wound when the tank is keeping frontal aoe turned away from everyone else, etc. (I did that my first time in DN, when I didn't have a clue what DN was even like). But once you start compromising speed/damage for self and group, there is no reason for LtC. Two LoM is always good if you want to do any combination, defiance, renewed voice, or whatever two, they are good and give instamarks. In a raid, Durchest is hit by the captain because you don't want him to die too fast. You have to stop and wait even in HoH before you kill him. But the cpt damage is useful there. Using "DPS" as a term is not right. Captain's talk about improved speed and damage, group and self, DPS is damage per second and while a cpt DPS is bad, his buffs speed and marks make up for his lack of dps by spreading it around the group. There is a danger of language here. With captain DPS is better than without. In a raid like BG HoH is appropriate imo. It can be done other ways, too. But there's not much point to it. Unless a cpt is in the mix swinging away and using all his dmg skills best he can, then LtC is a waste. A captain is not doing that in that raid where killing bossses is what you ar working towards. At least 2 LoM should be up for myself. Instamark is important expecially coupled with improved war cry (-15%) battle duration and defiance (why captains are always the last ones standing). Put up 5 HoH get your heal bonuses, run around, make sure the right marks are up at right times oin right mobs, make sure right people are getting healed, keep the speed up, and the heals up, end-game raids are too specialized to not take advantage of captain buffs, and being there, HoH is most beneficial.

The reason why I write this sequel is that after nine pages of you guys posting the same things in different words and tones, I realized that back in the day when LOTRO launched, WoW was in commercials and releasing updates and everyone and his little brother played it. The LOTRO community was awesome, mature LOTR and game fans. It meant something, and I thought the toons were fine. Inevitably, just like in my thread, all the little game boppers scraggle over from WoW after hearing how good lotro was, then the community degrades from mature good people roleplaying LOTR and all these paying wow fools start demanding LOTRO's classes be able to do things WoW classes can do. In trying to please non-lotr fans, the game is so far from LOTR and so much an MMORPG free for all, the initial point has been disregarded: make a good game that is also lord of the rings. Now we have many people from WoW that do what they do (not all of them here do that) but the sheer numbers means that kind of attitude and selfish demand takes over. No longer is LOTRO LOTR its and MMO with LOTR characters in it somewhere if you can find them and do an epic quest line. It's not middle-earth, the grace of elves, the grit of dwarves, the fate of men and the heart of little hobbits, its I want this and I want that, this is this and this is that and that's the way it is because I say it is. There were actually some decent posts after I bowed out of my own thread, and then it really took off! Zand, what are Cstat pics doing in this thread? there's other thread's with that garbage. I told that thread to just play the game and pay attention and if the damn software people posts are correct it will pretty much agree with what you see. Extensive parsing has been done, it equals out with minor degrees of error no matter which way you slice it. Want healing? trait it, but dmg nerfed. Want dmg? trait it but healing nerfed. The captain buffs the stats and speed in any trait line. but as one person said, I can deal damage while I heal: well the captain can also heal while dealing damage, it all evens out. Toons have breadth for use in a wider array of situations. I fel bad for Turbine and LOTR fans because the nature of the thread I started shows it. A different community migrated and is destroying LOTR. I hope Turbine and Warner can fix it, but you got to go back to the beggining lest you forget what it is you have. People that flame, talk nonesense, repeat others, stuff words in other peoples' mouths, refuse to discuss a topic but rather argue against it automatically, is proof. The community has declined and we haven't gotten to Rohan yet! People need to stop coming in from other games they played and stop trying to make this game fit there auto-skill mentality of months and years of playing different classes from different games and realize that you are in middle-earth here with the fellowship. This is for the people who post without reading, are clueless in the basics of logic, too young to grasp anything more complicated than an easy-button, and for Turbine too. I suppose it is only a matter of time. I hope when this goes F2P and the next good game comes out that these people might leave lotro, lotr fans remain and Turbine leads us back to the fellowship and the land of middle-earth Tolkien wrote about as much as a living thing as the walking creatures among it, before we reach the black, dead lands of Mordor, if we do inded make it there, and beyond to the far green country under a swift sunrise.

Man, I read the whole thread because it's mine. It's corruption that I see more than anything else....

Peace out!

Are you friggen' kidding?!

I realized that back i...The LOTRO community was awesome, mature LOTR and game fans.

Look at the title of your thread(s) dude. You call that "mature"?

Mods please delete this garbage.

threads evolve...there is only so much you can say about one thing...if you read the post I quoted, you would have answered your own question.

/yay

PS: if you're insinuating that I came from WoW, I've never played it, and have been playing this game for about two years and four months.

So, umm, what was the point of this post other than to let us know how much you hate the lotro community? seriously, you hate it so much that you're gonna keep posting on the forums and playing ingame with us all?

Dude, calm down, relax, drink a couple cold ones, whatever, but sitting here bashing everyone is kinda dull reading, at least post something cool for me to waste my time on.

LoL! Some of you really love this. I can write endlessly about this nonesense. I wanted to comment on what I saw from afar after all the drivel of the original thread. And i get comments like "I hate the entire LOTRO community!" It's just made up. You try to make like it is me perpetuating "garbage."

Zand is the one who said "I don't have time fto read a wall of text," then posts a wall of text AND charts. Big deal, I thought it was funny. I also thought it was sad that LOTRO is being overkly influenced by by things other than Lord of the Rings. But that is just the way it is. Not all peopel who play other games (WoW esp.) fit the discription I gave, nor do all the LOTR and game fans fit a good description. But the trend is unmistakable. The handful that have posted here is a minute fraction of LOTRO players.

The huggers threads were funny, but I made a new thread for a new idea. The original thread did not EVOLVE, it DEVOLVED...

I wrote an entire paragraph in a new thread agreeing with HoH and Zanderos' points. But I had to point out the irony of the statments we all make. Who cares... Let;s scan over interesting points and kind remarks like they don't exist until we come to something we can wedge a knife-edge in and start digging at it...

Bigtuna00: is that what you want to be or think you are? The name is as mature as my statement about it. I don;t even know who you are. Yopu are probably a great person in RL, I know a few posters here that are good people and funny. Zanderos is like the most revered player on Arkenstone. But the forum lurkers couldn't let me say my piece and be done. yet you have some image of a dude at a keyboard in a rage. I have been busting chops the whole time due to the absurdity of it all, me included.

I thought the changes coming to LOTRO were sad, it is elemenytary where the influence came from. The people I have known in this game for years are still the same people, but the atmosphere of the game is not, and is brought by a less refined attitude, and I said it, and I referenced my thread as part of the evidence. A step back and lets see, what am I really looking at here. 114+ replies for a simple statement, what was written, and where did the thread go...? hmmm....It is soooo far from when I started playing lotro. I cannot imagine that people who pick you apart as their first reaction really care too much about anything of substance. Or the amount of reality in anything i might say.

I never said I hate the entire community, I trashed talk the influence that changed it for the worse, Wow is the majority by default, but I didn't limit it to wow but used it because the "pally" was mentione, alright pally?

Forget it...go parse something. Turbine parsed a bunch of times before release and during beta, but do it because you like it, and don't get mad when I say it is going to say the same thing that actually happens in the game. It's frickin common sense! Unless one of you statistician's have some groundbreaking formula for untangling all the skills mobs players and situations that turns up a massive error range you can expoit to some mass-advantage.

Why not discuss what I was saying not just talk trash back at meand then tell mods to shut ME down? How dare an original or less common view be expressed! Let's shred 'em gang! I feel sorry for that one guy who came from WoW who was afraid of posyting in these forums, oh but no negativity comes from ther at all. Not the poster, the poster was gfrank and direct, made sense and sounded nice. It was quality I would not attribute to the negative turns in lotro. But WoW is the largest cross-over base than any other game, and the WoW attitude (for the most part) is no secret, yet you shred me for saying something true, while saying something false.....(shakes head, submits, walks away after writing this last letter

Heh... I'm all for troll poking... they make giant walls of text XD

In all seriousne.... BWAHAHAHAHA

You flame us for wanting to push our class to the edge, see what's the best way to do stuff, figure out what's the most useful traiting for grouping, and generally sharing our information?

While I can't speak for everyone here, about the only content left to do on my captain is a few Mirkwood quests, random raid quests from Shadows of Angmar content, and grinding deeds (slayer deeds suck). I've almost got the entire ring of vitures at 10, a sage maxed out, pretty solid (maybe not the 100% awesome gear), extensive raid experience, and the list goes on...

Most of that experience has shown me that LtC (well, it's precursor which became LtC) was an awesome spec back in SoA. I essentially converted to that spec when MoM went live. Throughout MoM, it proved to be an awesome solo and group spec, but started to lose some oomph in grouping, about the time HoH started dominating. LtC simply does not have the damage output, nor provide the mitigations and threat, to effectively let me do either DPSing or Tanking. Yeah, I should probably run in LtC with an archer, but the archer is too flimsy for my tastes for me to feel confident using it. I've tried sneaking into 6 mans and attempting to pull agro from a tank... and while I can somewhat do it in 6 mans, I can't successfully hold agro long enough to actually tank... plus the lack of mitigations don't help things either.

So after having a ghosty get it's but handed to it by a LM in a pet duel.... LoM went out the window.... while I do get a bunch of spiffy tricks to play with, it simply does not provide what HoH does. Speaking of which, that trait line is my current group spec NOT because I want to trait it, but because I feel like I am contributing the most to a group with it - which also helps to ensure that PUGs are successful because of the added healing. Long story short, until Turbine ups the damage, gives us better threat generation, or grants LtC better mitigations, LtC simply does not hold up well against HoH right now in the game - at least for grouping. As far as soloing and skirms go, I'll take LtC over HoH - mostly cause there's so many bots running around in a skirm that non-HoH healing works well enough, and cause it feels like I solo faster in LtC than HoH. That's been my experience - you can argue it if it pleases you.

As far as the LotRO community being mature and what not, I am pleased to say that E and the forums smoke WoW in maturity - something you need to work on OP... or perhaps the OP would be better served going to WoW and rolling a paladin? =P

Zitat von Eudemon

Zand is the one who said "I don't have time fto read a wall of text," then posts a wall of text AND charts.

take it with a grain of salt...I always joke around with MorningStar. Not sure why you're getting so strung up on that...

I think, just like in GLFF today, that the reason people respond so negatively is because you kinda provoke them.

Saying things like:

"Have minstrel and captain for HoC need DPS because a captain is the best healer for it" or some such statement (and the rest about HoH huggers and captains healing that I can't remember, I was eating lunch at the time). I was reading it, and to me with all the extra stuff, it seemed like you didn't even want to do HoC, you just wanted to argue in GLFF.

I personally am not bothered by it, it is just a game/forum after all, but it's no surprise you get so many responses - your posts are tailored to do so, whether it's purposeful or accidental I'm not trying to say you're an *** or anything (haven't said that at any point), just that whether you know it or not, you're really provoking people into responding in the very way you're complaining about.

These threads are just funny. They are designed to provoke discussion about the different trait lines and viabilities and yet the OP seems determined that the only thing that gets discussed is his opinion. Having said that, keep them coming, I'm sleepy at work (Damn World Cup).

*this post brought to you by the colour Marianna Orange.

Zitat von Eudemon

Zanderos is like the most revered player on Arkenstone.

The more I read this, the funnier it gets....


<3

Zitat von Lurkerinthemist

The more I read this, the funnier it gets....


<3

psh whatever :P

I prefer a grain of sugar Zand... shake a grain off a cookie No waffles please...

Some things are deliberately unlikely to be taken kindly, but hugger I have heard in playful banter many times....and I talk trash and nonesense in glff all the time...if it was Lute, it is more playful than when RT is logged in. Luteus is the man, er Hobbit! The level 65 DPS Minny of mine.

Bigtuna00:Small fish

All, I don't try to read tone in emails/chat. The tone is shaped by the reader as well, but I am blunt mostly, and with only a single grain I won't be sugar coating much...but as Zanderos finally points out "but it's no surprise you get so many responses - your posts are tailored to do so, whether it's purposeful or accidental." Perhaps it was too obvious to mention or that it must be said at this point, but either way, that's the shizzles and I am glad someone wrote it in the thread. Of course Zand, no grudges started, let alone held. Tried to wave to you in CG by stable but I am too slow and you disappeared around the bend...Regarding the posts earlier, one person mentioned the time, but I made a sarcastic statement like that, but for fun, there weren't many responses or people online, relatively speaking. But I did refer to this thread and say that I was looking to test the theory in reality. If not now maybe later when more people are on...but I said also that people aren't going to want to take the chance (or time, or even care). I am not saying that the same way as the title fyi. Hey, the title is very important, especially to a piece of poetry or prose.

Actually, an LM responded, but no one else, so I jumped in solo lair skirmish, did that then did HoM with Tang and a hunter who switched to his loremaster after getting some deed done, halfway through the tunnels, for quest line. It was LM RK CPT, quicker than HoC period in any setup, it gave 7 loth medallions in ez mode to my happiness because I needed 6 to make 50. Tang popped big heals to start, we took out some merrovail, Tang went DPS and I healed (without any HoH but the Hope Standard as usual and my emblem buffs). So we got healed and more damage, since all three were DPS with cpt heals for the finish after last add. HoH would have done...? What? More heals? Perhaps. both RK and LM died but we weren't ready to start fight when it did, I had to target mark the merrvail down in the fight because they didn't care about HM, but I did, so we killed few the first round or two. But gotta cure that wound (DoT) or HoH will not be saving his day lol. we were half buffed to start and i had to rez them both, but we did it one try even screwing up.

Now about the post:

Contradiction:
Almagnus1: "You flame us for wanting to push our class to the edge, see what's the best way to do stuff, figure out what's the most useful traiting for grouping, and generally sharing our information?"

Isn't this post about consensus being HoH is best trait line according to most of the posters? But you probably do push envelopes (right after lickin and stickin the stamps). I push this class to the edge, and you over it in the process. I say you don't go near the edge when in HoH based on its reputation for reliability and viability and numerous accounts of my threads. I know, its deep down there, but you pushed me, so I returned the favor.

Almagnus1: "As far as the LotRO community being mature and what not, I am pleased to say that E and the forums smoke WoW in maturity - something you need to work on OP... or perhaps the OP would be better served going to WoW and rolling a paladin? =P

Not quite sure that qualifies as mature....but you do have the tongue out so you are likely lighthearted about it and therefore it doesn't apply, I think, or do I?

Fallacy:
"So, umm, what was the point of this post other than to let us know how much you hate the lotro community?" "Dude, calm down, relax, drink a couple cold ones, whatever, but sitting here bashing everyone is kinda dull reading, at least post something cool for me to waste my time on."

So, umm, I am calm, I am not sitting around bashing people but continually correcting things people say that are contradictory or just flat not true. I never said I hated the entire lotro community. Also, I never insinuated or called any particular person a crossover from WoW or swaggler or know who did or din't play WoW. I know I didn't, but a thread I saw was someone from WoW politely asking advice and actually scared to ask in forums herte about LOTRO! I forget the name. He was a nice enough sounding person. But it's a good ijdicator and is in line with what I hear of WoW atmosphere/attitude in general. As for me, I never said I hated anyone. Where do you come up with this stuff? "Mood of LOTRO players seems to have darkened since the early days." That is pretty anaogous to "I hate everybody!" Why not call me B. Rabbit: "Fuch a beat, I'll go a capella! Fuch a popa doc, fuch a clock, fuch a trailer! Fuch everybody! Fuch y'all if you doubt me! I'm a fuching piece of white trash, I say it proudly! and fuch this battle, I don't wanna win, I'm outtie. Here, tell these people something they don't know about me."

Oh yes! A contradiction wrapped in a fallacy:
Apocatequil: "These threads are just funny. They are designed to provoke discussion about the different trait lines and viabilities and yet the OP seems determined that the only thing that gets discussed is his opinion:"

So, now that you have put in such shiny pennies, I will tell you what they are designed for and how. I think I might have a better grasp of the design of my own thread. I didn't show a soul the blueprints before, and they seem too hard to understand anyway. Nonetheless, Zanderos can guess the layout of the foundation easy enough and/or is chill enough to say it. Grab the attention of HoH people and tell them it's okay now, the Nazgul have retreated for the time being, the black breath is passed, it is time to forget the shadow and lead the charge (damn that's corny, but fuch it). And sharing my setup, one I like to use a lot- in short, it's designed to grab attention, inform, be short and sweet, a whole bag of sugar. Oh! "The best laid plans of mice and men gang oft agley, and leave us naught but grief and pain."

So I can tell you that your above statement is untrue and self-contradicting, so it covers both. Man, if these threads are "just" funny, why do you go on to talk about it in a non-funny way, or go on about it at all if it's just funny and nothing else. I was talking about myself and my ideas. Those were part of the design, not to provoke a trait-line discussion. I know what HoH setups looks like and does. The problem was that there was no discussing it, it's HoH, period! Designs! It's funny and informative, and long, not just funny, and not just funny but hilarious, silly, messed up, rude, offensive, defensive, pointless, dumb, stupid, endless...endless is a good end.

Zitat von Eudemon

I can write endlessly about this nonesense.

Clearly, which is why I stopped reading after that.

Dude, lighten up, it's only a game, and for the love of god please paragraph more! lol.

Op I also read the other thread. I am lost on this one. If there is a point here could u make it in short bullets. Say 3 to 5 points. That might actually get some meaningful discussion. If not, Well ok then.

Zitat von Varel

Op I also read the other thread. I am lost on this one. If there is a point here could u make it in short bullets. Say 3 to 5 points. That might actually get some meaningful discussion. If not, Well ok then.

There isn't a point. This was obviously an attempt at being humorous.

/fail

You could have made treads with OPs that were logical in it's arguments, instead they come off provoking those who would disagree with you. Now stop trashing up the place with your trolling.

Stop the Hatin'

Maybe you could record a podcast, RT. I may have some long drives coming up and instead of trying to read all this, I could just listen! Yeah! with the volume turned really low...like...real low.

Dear Dairy, I saw Zanderos today while banking in Zelem Melek. He is my hero!!! Someday were going to be in a turtle raid together and I'll get to throw Oathbreakers right after him, I just know it! It still saddens me that he has not retraited to try LtC since my many rebuttles on my orginal thread. It got so many replies it made me so happy, and people really see how special I am. Anyways, I dont want to get off track so I just want everyone to know that your all missing the point and im right.

Thanks, and much love

RT

What is this I don't even

Zitat von Raowyn

Dear Dairy, I saw Zanderos today while banking in Zelem Melek. He is my hero!!!

Plus forum rep for you.

People...just ignore him. He's admitted he is just doing this because people are responding.

Zitat von Raowyn

Dear Dairy, I saw Zanderos today while banking in Zelem Melek. He is my hero!!! Someday were going to be in a turtle raid together and I'll get to throw Oathbreakers right after him, I just know it! It still saddens me that he has not retraited to try LtC since my many rebuttles on my orginal thread. It got so many replies it made me so happy, and people really see how special I am. Anyways, I dont want to get off track so I just want everyone to know that your all missing the point and im right.

Thanks, and much love

RT

^ Winner, chicken dinner.

you had me at hoh huggers <-- hate those guys

Zitat von Apocatequil

These threads are just funny. They are designed to provoke discussion about the different trait lines and viabilities and yet the OP seems determined that the only thing that gets discussed is his opinion. Having said that, keep them coming, I'm sleepy at work (Damn World Cup).

*this post brought to you by the colour Marianna Orange.

What she said !




PS : you ought me some royalty to use that orange color

Zitat von MorningStarSE

What she said !




PS : you ought me some royalty to use that orange color

yes that way he can pay me for power leveling him.

Zitat von IGolbezI

yes that way he can pay me for power leveling him.

I see what you did there !

Zitat von Raowyn

Dear Dairy, I saw Zanderos today while banking in Zelem Melek. He is my hero!!! Someday were going to be in a turtle raid together and I'll get to throw Oathbreakers right after him, I just know it! It still saddens me that he has not retraited to try LtC since my many rebuttles on my orginal thread. It got so many replies it made me so happy, and people really see how special I am. Anyways, I dont want to get off track so I just want everyone to know that your all missing the point and im right.

Thanks, and much love

RT

LoL. Pure 100% homegrown awesomeness. +++

I am a "HoH Hugger" (I know I am such a conformist). HoH is a powerhouse and I personally have no desire to run any other way, this doesn't mean I look down my nose at LoM or LtC captains.

Zitat von MorningStarSE

What she said !




PS : you ought me some royalty to use that orange color

No, you should pay me advertising revenue for raising awareness of the Marianna Orange colour!

Zitat von Almagnus1

Heh... I'm all for troll poking... they make giant walls of text XD

In all seriousne.... BWAHAHAHAHA

You flame us for wanting to push our class to the edge, see what's the best way to do stuff, figure out what's the most useful traiting for grouping, and generally sharing our information?

While I can't speak for everyone here, about the only content left to do on my captain is a few Mirkwood quests, random raid quests from Shadows of Angmar content, and grinding deeds (slayer deeds suck). I've almost got the entire ring of vitures at 10, a sage maxed out, pretty solid (maybe not the 100% awesome gear), extensive raid experience, and the list goes on...

Most of that experience has shown me that LtC (well, it's precursor which became LtC) was an awesome spec back in SoA. I essentially converted to that spec when MoM went live. Throughout MoM, it proved to be an awesome solo and group spec, but started to lose some oomph in grouping, about the time HoH started dominating. LtC simply does not have the damage output, nor provide the mitigations and threat, to effectively let me do either DPSing or Tanking. Yeah, I should probably run in LtC with an archer, but the archer is too flimsy for my tastes for me to feel confident using it. I've tried sneaking into 6 mans and attempting to pull agro from a tank... and while I can somewhat do it in 6 mans, I can't successfully hold agro long enough to actually tank... plus the lack of mitigations don't help things either.

So after having a ghosty get it's but handed to it by a LM in a pet duel.... LoM went out the window.... while I do get a bunch of spiffy tricks to play with, it simply does not provide what HoH does. Speaking of which, that trait line is my current group spec NOT because I want to trait it, but because I feel like I am contributing the most to a group with it - which also helps to ensure that PUGs are successful because of the added healing. Long story short, until Turbine ups the damage, gives us better threat generation, or grants LtC better mitigations, LtC simply does not hold up well against HoH right now in the game - at least for grouping. As far as soloing and skirms go, I'll take LtC over HoH - mostly cause there's so many bots running around in a skirm that non-HoH healing works well enough, and cause it feels like I solo faster in LtC than HoH. That's been my experience - you can argue it if it pleases you.

As far as the LotRO community being mature and what not, I am pleased to say that E and the forums smoke WoW in maturity - something you need to work on OP... or perhaps the OP would be better served going to WoW and rolling a paladin? =P

Excellent post Maley. My views exactly on my experience playing a captain--eventhough it's an alt for me. However, when I skirmish, I stay in HoH..probably due to laziness of not traiting to LtC :P. But, yeah, I may have the energy to trait LtC at times if it becomes a better DPS line (or tanking line)..should go one way or the other, imo. But anyway, + rep for that post.

Zitat von Apocatequil

No, you should pay me advertising revenue for raising awareness of the Marianna Orange colour!

So we return to status quo. Oh well, at least i will not create an economic rise and unbalance on Arkenstone by injecting 30g on the market for powereleveling services. From what i heard people believe 30g is big munney over-there...

Id just like to throw my 2 cents in here. I feel that a lot of the hostility comes from initial post refering to HoH players as being noobish / unwanted WoW types. And there's the tone of your doing it wrong if your HoH traited. Which isn't entirely true.

Its more of a playstyle choice. Both are acceptable lines to trait in for most/borderline all content. In SoA I was a much bigger fan of the improving damage route. Since the revamp I've had more fun with the improved healing line. HoH isn't end all be all and neither is LtC, so its more a matter of haveing fun then anything else. The most fun I've had post SoA id have to say was 5burg 1capt SG and 6manning watcher, in both cases I benifited far more from HoH then LtC but those are the only 2 times aside from learning new instances where I truely felt HoH was necesary. In most cases I'm wanted in runs for Oaths/to arms/motivate/banners/and the safety net of incombat rez for newer content HoH and LtC can both preform well and both can be fun.

On another note I'm not sure where the WoW comments fit in. Out of boredom I've started playing WoW with some RL friends that refuse to quit it and so far all I've seen is the "need more DPS mentality" at end game. Which yes LoTRO has derailed and found the same set of tracks WoW is currently on but that doesn't support the capts prefering healing over DPS.

LotRO is just like all other MMOs, things change and a year from now we could very well be argueing these commets in reverse lol. Calm down and have fun everyone!

What's this so called HoH?

Zitat von budhism

What's this so called HoH?

he's back!! :P word

I'm incredibly lazy, can some write me a summary of whatever it is Eudemon is spouting on about please.

Zitat von bigboobaddy

I'm incredibly lazy, can some write me a summary of whatever it is Eudemon is spouting on about please.

OK

Summary: He started an inflammatory thread, tried to do it with snarky language disguised by a self-aggrandizing writing style, and subsequently got numerous posts arguing quite logically against his original post. Instead of posting productive counter arguments, he covered his ears and starting yelling "LA-LA-LA-LA-LA", then restated his position without acknowledging any merits to any replies - thereby making him a troll.

Between the original thread and this one, somehow or another a person or two from his server got their names thrown into the mix personally. Instead of straightening out the situation in private, the OP started another thread in the form of a long, boring wall-o-text that's basically a rambling mess of a contradictory temper tantrum that can only be understood while under the influence of mind-altering substances.

.....I think.

Whad da heck.... I just posted in this other thread... Dammit this is giving me a headache.

Erik,

Thanks very much for the summary. I've now had a look over his original thread and I must agree his main argument seems to revolve around repeating himself over and over and also more disturbingly believing that his way is "the only way". Whilst many people have provided excellent examples of how/why they play their Caps with a specific skill set and style, he refuses to accept the simple fact that everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

But I suppose the long and short of it is, I will play my captain how I wish to in a manner that best suits the classes abilities and my own play style.

And of course,


obvious troll is very, very obvious