Thread: What? No Illiteration?

Wow, was looking forward to chatting about what all happened yesterday in the 'moors

From my perspective it was a great day for both sides. I hope everyone had fun. I sure did. (pointless in the end, but fun nonetheless)

Here is yesterday in a nutshell (and none of this is a criticism of either side)

1. Freeps turned an uncontested map blue *high five*
2. Creeps turned a much less contested map red *high five*
3. 82% of freeps log *sad panda*
4. Had a lot of fun in HH fighting Mongers and then some others who showed up
5. No open raid
6. Butt kicked at SoP
7. People start whining about no one talking in /OOC

Originally Posted by PF-Grumpy

7. People start whining about no one talking in /OOC

Hey man, I wasn't even there.

Originally Posted by Olympic

Hey man, I wasn't even there.

Well at least then we would have had something to discuss. So thanks for nothing.

I logged in and saw the blue map.

I hate blue maps, so I chatted for a bit then logged out.

Fun night, some good kills, some good deaths, hope to have more of both tonite.

Saw a blue map, thought maybe I could find some solo's, grouped up with Didnt on his Guard.

Lugz was being hit by a train, I got annoyed from dying over and over trying to get in, so I switched to Nav.

Started a raid to defend TA, it hurt. Alot of freeps didn't listen, had to dismiss alot. Rallyed up in TR, was able to defend it when NPC's respawned, hung up my leadership hat. I think most of the freeps logged, 8 freeps left to defend. Had a red map.

Went out later to hang out with nandir and company, had some fun on the lugz cross-roads only because I was surprised we lasted so long against so many. Then again, we did have Nandir.

I went to bed. The end!

Originally Posted by PF-Grumpy

Well at least then we would have had something to discuss. So thanks for nothing.

I know right? That's at least 5+ pages this thread will never see.

Originally Posted by Obsidian-moth

Saw a blue map, thought maybe I could find some solo's, grouped up with Didnt on his Guard.

Lugz was being hit by a train, I got annoyed from dying over and over trying to get in, so I switched to Nav.

Started a raid to defend TA, it hurt. Alot of freeps didn't listen, had to dismiss alot. Rallyed up in TR, was able to defend it when NPC's respawned, hung up my leadership hat. I think most of the freeps logged, 8 freeps left to defend. Had a red map.

Went out later to hang out with nandir and company, had some fun on the lugz cross-roads only because I was surprised we lasted so long against so many. Then again, we did have Nandir.

I went to bed. The end!

Oh don't mention me on my guard, taking time away from my champ.

I logged in and saw the blue map and I was excited to play my creep. Just then I get a calendar reminder on my phone about a meeting that the fiancee and I had to attend at church. Dang thing took two hours and by the time I was able to get back on it was D-E-A-D.

Maybe I'll get some play time tonight.

I didn't play in the Moors

Originally Posted by Gillianrial

I didn't play in the Moors

I did, just not on Landy....

Map was red by the time I logged on late night. Rolled in a small group of three and had a lot of good fights.

@PostOffice...Sorry you got jacked in that 1v1 mang. I thought we were alone. Guess norbog ridge isn't the best place to do that kind of thing. /salute

Well, Mongers did what we do every night. Fielded a full raid, sat in a red keep all night and mapped into zerg solo freep call outs.

Originally Posted by Gillianrial

I didn't play in the Moors

Seconded. I havent been on in the moors since I Lee's rank raid. Been busy with the next phase of Project Destroy All Creeps.

Originally Posted by PF-Grumpy

Here is yesterday in a nutshell (and none of this is a criticism of either side)

1. Freeps turned an uncontested map blue *high five*
2. Creeps turned a much less contested map red *high five*
3. 82% of freeps log *sad panda*
4. Had a lot of fun in HH fighting Mongers and then some others who showed up
5. No open raid
6. Butt kicked at SoP
7. People start whining about no one talking in /OOC

I agree with this.

#3 Im asking a serious question here, why do Freeps leave the Moors. Do they have raids to join? Do the Creeps have anything to do with it? Is it a time on the clock thing? This is nothing new but there are times the Creeps are left with a *** moment when you guys dont show up again.

If its about not being able to win because you truely think you cant the I would agree with Uth that it is best to live to fight another day. If its because you havent tried some new approach then dont log out, just try it at least once. You know, we hear the comments that we should just let the Freeps have a keep, it quickly gets corrected that Creeps wont let the Freeps have anything and they will have to work for a keep. There was a heavy force of Freeps that flipped the map blue, Im not talking numbers necessarily just the right mix to flip the map with determination. We loved it.

#4 We had a few guests in our group last night and one of them had a small group of 3 tagging along with them for some reason, I think they must have known one of our guests and were just being friendly. I know that would bother alot of other players but we are all on the same side, win or loose.

Originally Posted by Radardog

I logged in and saw the blue map.

I hate blue maps, so I chatted for a bit then logged out.

Is this on your Freep or Creep? Why would you hate a blue map may I ask?

Originally Posted by Obsidian-moth

Saw a blue map, thought maybe I could find some solo's, grouped up with Didnt on his Guard.

Lugz was being hit by a train, I got annoyed from dying over and over trying to get in, so I switched to Nav.

Started a raid to defend TA, it hurt. Alot of freeps didn't listen, had to dismiss alot. Rallyed up in TR, was able to defend it when NPC's respawned, hung up my leadership hat. I think most of the freeps logged, 8 freeps left to defend. Had a red map.

Went out later to hang out with nandir and company, had some fun on the lugz cross-roads only because I was surprised we lasted so long against so many. Then again, we did have Nandir.

I went to bed. The end!

Dont worry Nav you are a huge addition to that group also!



***Special note to thank Gahroul for leading his Creep group around the map to fight Freeps and turn the map red.

Originally Posted by Sujae

Is this on your Freep or Creep? Why would you hate a blue map may I ask?

Freep. It's just a matter of preference and a few annoyances.

When it's a blue map [generally],

1. There are less creeps running around.
2. I don't like shuffles, be it from grams to lugz, or OC to Lugz Rez.
3. All blue maps usually means some freeps come online that you rarely see.
It's hard not to get a 'where were you when times were tough?!' attitude.
4. If I don't have a timer, usually I go creep.. but I had a moors timer.

Well, I would say that many of the Freeps who turned the map left because we were getting tired and needed a break. For myself, I only intended to go out there for 30 minutes and hand in some quests. Next thing I knew it was 5 hours later and we had captured both relics. It was my day off and I had some house-cleaning projects to work on, so I logged. By the time I came back on only a few hours later, the map was red.

I think a lot of times this is what happens, on both sides. It isn't some big conspiracy, and most people aren't running from fights or poor prospects. We just have other things to do. I did have a ton of fun yesterday though! Thanks to all the Freeps who stuck with me after the main raid leader (Nosforatoo) left so we could get the TA Hornblower up. Too bad he didn't seem to do much to slow the Creeps down, LOL.

Originally Posted by Sujae

I agree with this.

#3 Im asking a serious question here, why do Freeps leave the Moors. Do they have raids to join? Do the Creeps have anything to do with it? Is it a time on the clock thing? This is nothing new but there are times the Creeps are left with a *** moment when you guys dont show up again.

If its about not being able to win because you truely think you cant the I would agree with Uth that it is best to live to fight another day. If its because you havent tried some new approach then dont log out, just try it at least once. You know, we hear the comments that we should just let the Freeps have a keep, it quickly gets corrected that Creeps wont let the Freeps have anything and they will have to work for a keep. There was a heavy force of Freeps that flipped the map blue, Im not talking numbers necessarily just the right mix to flip the map with determination. We loved it.

#4 We had a few guests in our group last night and one of them had a small group of 3 tagging along with them for some reason, I think they must have known one of our guests and were just being friendly. I know that would bother alot of other players but we are all on the same side, win or loose.




Is this on your Freep or Creep? Why would you hate a blue map may I ask?



Dont worry Nav you are a huge addition to that group also!



***Special note to thank Gahroul for leading his Creep group around the map to fight Freeps and turn the map red.

To sum this all up...

Because we can and I have a big red pencil box

Originally Posted by Radardog

Freep. It's just a matter of preference and a few annoyances.

When it's a blue map [generally],


3. All blue maps usually means some freeps come online that you rarely see.
It's hard not to get a 'where were you when times were tough?!' attitude.
4. If I don't have a timer, usually I go creep.. but I had a moors timer.

I don't necessarily subscribe to the notion, that folks ~should~ go creeping on a blue map (and I know you arent strictly saying this). Last night was an example a daytime blueage of the map. When I came out there were few freeps, they were fragmented and we didnt have enough to defend.

In addition to that I don't agree that people choose to Freep on blue maps. I think the "fair weather" creeps see all that DP, and go creepside.

Played with the late nite crew. Had some ok smaller battles. Couldn't seem to get a even numbered fight though. Either we ganked them or they ganked us. Smaller groups are so much better than raids right now though.

Oh, and coward reavers that use their dying rage skill to run away and die are cowards. That's no better than a Hunter's DF and Turbine removed that for a reason.

Originally Posted by PF-Grumpy

I don't necessarily subscribe to the notion, that folks ~should~ go creeping on a blue map (and I know you arent strictly saying this). Last night was an example a daytime blueage of the map. When I came out there were few freeps, they were fragmented and we didnt have enough to defend.

In addition to that I don't agree that people choose to Freep on blue maps. I think the "fair weather" creeps see all that DP, and go creepside.

Eh when I logged on the OOC chatter was about one group taking the relic, with enough numbers for another group to stay back in DG and just grab the second relic when they can. Might have been bad timing.

One of the most boring nights I've had in months.

I was off and on, probably logged a sum 3 hours or so of play. Got about 500 renown after a handful of fights.

The creeps were VERY clearly all zerged up and mapping in to anything called out.

It was crazy boring.

Originally Posted by Thane9

One of the most boring nights I've had in months.

I was off and on, probably logged a sum 3 hours or so of play. Got about 500 renown after a handful of fights.

The creeps were VERY clearly all zerged up and mapping in to anything called out.

It was crazy boring.

When life gives you lemons...

Originally Posted by AdarinOuest

When life gives you lemons...

Go to Bree and hit on hot elf chicks controlled by fat, bald men? Total.

Originally Posted by Pusher

Played with the late nite crew. Had some ok smaller battles. Couldn't seem to get a even numbered fight though. Either we ganked them or they ganked us. Smaller groups are so much better than raids right now though.

Oh, and coward reavers that use their dying rage skill to run away and die are cowards. That's no better than a Hunter's DF and Turbine removed that for a reason.

OMG leave my troll stones alone....sheesh.

Originally Posted by dinin42

OMG leave my troll stones alone....sheesh.

I couldn't loot them in combat.

My plan was to stun you, steal all the troll stones, then run away giggling.

Originally Posted by Pusher

Oh, and coward reavers that use their dying rage skill to run away and die are cowards. That's no better than a Hunter's DF and Turbine removed that for a reason.

There is really only one Reaver that I've seen doing this on a consistent basis and he's a transfer. It's becoming predictably like clockwork actually. My groups have it timed now and last night he still got roasted even after blowing DR and trying to run away twice.

Originally Posted by Overtone

There is really only one Reaver that I've seen doing this on a consistent basis and he's a transfer. It's becoming predictably like clockwork actually. My groups have it timed now and last night he still got roasted even after blowing DR and trying to run away twice.

I have seen plenty of long time creeps doing it. If I think hard enough one of the only one's not doing it is Jar-of-dirt.

Originally Posted by PF-Grumpy

I have seen plenty of long time creeps doing it. If I think hard enough one of the only one's not doing it is Jar-of-dirt.

Yes yes...

Reavers burst run dieing rage, Wargs sprint, Burgs HiPs, Captains last stand, minstrels bubble, there's a myriad of get the heck outta dodge skills. Who cares, and why do people expect opponents to stand there and take a death for no reason. Your sig explains this line of thought quite well.

Originally Posted by Overtone

There is really only one Reaver that I've seen doing this on a consistent basis and he's a transfer. It's becoming predictably like clockwork actually. My groups have it timed now and last night he still got roasted even after blowing DR and trying to run away twice.

Truth. All the other R9s are not using DR regularly to run away.

Is it a SUPER powerful skill? Yes.

Worse than Uruk heal? No.

Worse than CJs? No.

Worse than Hips (as an escape skill) even? No.

I do in fact die more often than not when a reaver pops DR. And IF they run away, then they run away...it's no worse than a warg of FAR less rank hitting hips or sprint to get away when I'm winning.

But they CAN be killed in DR. I've done it. Several times.

DF was a "will" get away free skill. DR is a "may" get away dead skill.

IMHO there's a significant difference.

I just wish CBR was that good. Heh...

Originally Posted by Raiffe

Yes yes...

Reavers burst run dieing rage, Wargs sprint, Burgs HiPs, Captains last stand, minstrels bubble, there's a myriad of get the heck outta dodge skills. Who cares, and why do people expect opponents to stand there and take a death for no reason. Your sig explains this line of thought quite well.

I made a similar argument for hunter's DF:

http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.php?t=318792

Originally Posted by Thane9

T
DF was a "will" get away free skill. DR is a "may" get away dead skill.

Disagree Luc, it wasn't uncommon for DF to work and the hunter to still die. Read my aforementioned thread for more analysis.

Originally Posted by AdarinOuest

When life gives you lemons...

I spent some time reading some of the 4ed D&D books I picked up recently. I'm creating a class from scratch as an excercize to learn the mechanics since I haven't really gotten many opportunities to play under this rule set.

My group was left behind in Columbus almost 8 years ago now...and I miss those Tuesday night games more than just about anything.

If I could just convince them to skype me in, I could be the Max Headroom of D&D. And maybe a little less anyone even.

Originally Posted by Radardog

I made a similar argument for hunter's DF:

http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.php?t=318792

Your motivation has zero to do with any need for hunters as a class. Its so your wife would be able to DF and get away when you HIPS and run.

Originally Posted by Raiffe

Yes yes...

Reavers burst run dieing rage, Wargs sprint, Burgs HiPs, Captains last stand, minstrels bubble, there's a myriad of get the heck outta dodge skills. Who cares, and why do people expect opponents to stand there and take a death for no reason. Your sig explains this line of thought quite well.

My point was simply to argue that transfers arent the only one's doing it. How about going back and reading a bit instead of "pouncing"?

Edit: And it isnt an escape skill.. the player will die, they just dont want to give up the renown

Edit: And I had something else but I forgot.

Originally Posted by Olympic

Your motivation has zero to do with any need for hunters as a class. Its so your wife would be able to DF and get away when you HIPS and run.

I'm glad you can read minds. You should open up a hot line.

Trolling aside, would it surprise you that my wife dies more in a raid than when we duo?

Originally Posted by PF-Grumpy

My point was simply to argue that transfers arent the only one's doing it. How about going back and reading a bit instead of "pouncing"?

I got what you meant. In his defense, he likely read a different interpretation than what you were saying.

Originally Posted by Raiffe

There's a myriad of get the heck outta dodge skills. Who cares, and why do people expect opponents to stand there and take a death for no reason.

Except that Dying Rage is not intended to be a "get the heck outta dodge skill." Java gets it. Some of the others do not and bring shame to Reavers everywhere...

Originally Posted by Radardog

I'm glad you can read minds. You should open up a hot line.

Trolling aside, would it surprise you that my wife dies more in a raid than when we duo?

I can't read minds. Just not that hard to figure out the easy ones.

How's the gossip column going? Got your drama fix today?

Originally Posted by PF-Grumpy

My point was simply to argue that transfers arent the only one's doing it. How about going back and reading a bit instead of "pouncing"?

Edit: And it isnt an escape skill.. the player will die, they just dont want to give up the renown

Edit: And I had something else but I forgot.

I'll agree with the point you made, I'm sure there's others beyond transfers that do this. My view was more to the point, why is this even a topic of discussion?

If I hurt your feelings I apologize.