Thread: Ettenmoors Community Blah: Thursday, May 13th, 2010

Originally Posted by Thieron

Landroval's community at its finest I guess.

Lol. Listen. I really like my friends in this game. They're great. I feel richer for the experience. But it's JUST a game. I have a life. And most of it has nothing to do with the game. If turning off ooc allows me to have more fun, then I am going to do it. And I don't care what anyone thinks of that.

Mmmm, ice cream sammich... I gotta get me some Bomb Pops... Been years since I had one of those...

Originally Posted by Jamers

Lol. Listen. I really like my friends in this game. They're great. I feel richer for the experience. But it's JUST a game. I have a life. And most of it has nothing to do with the game. If turning off ooc allows me to have more fun, then I am going to do it. And I don't care what anyone thinks of that.

Hey, you don't have to justify anything to me. I just love reading this and then reading how awsome the community is.

To those freeps that have turned off /ooc instead of just /ignoring the problem folks, you have allowed yourself to now become part of the problem. You can pose and dance about being vets, that you are above it all, that you are better, and what you are bitter about all day.

But you gave up. You gave up on the part of the community that is out there trying to communicate. There are always bad apples in an online community. Shutting everyone out, rather than ignoring the specific people that bother you is lazy and sad. You have shunned all the new players out there that you don't know, and the returning players that simply want to have a little fun. You have forced them to have only one option; learn from the folks you have judged and convicted. So, when you see the attitudes of those you don't like multiply and begin re-appearing in newer people, you have no right to be upset. You left them no other option, because you opted out.

I'll still be calling out in /ooc when I'm out there. I don't have any particular disdain for anyone (except Yargax, lol). I just want to have fun, and be a part of a community that grows in a positive direction. I know simply ignoring the community won't achieve that. Personally, I've never /ignored anyone but a gold seller, because people's little texty pixels on a screen don't offend me, regardless of what they say.

Cheers.

Originally Posted by Thieron

Hey, you don't have to justify anything to me. I just love reading this and then reading how awsome the community is.

He means his community nub. Not yours.

Man pappy....we just can't win can we....?

"Your zerg is killing creepside."

"Now your zerg is killing freepside."

"Some of you spent months getting your freep toons prepared to level the playing field, so why aren't you doing
what I want you to do and how I want to do it your first time out as a group not even practiced at jiving all of
your classes together in the most strategic manner?"

"You've done all this planning with your tribemates to improve PvP in your own way and you're reserving spots
in your raid for said tribemates on the official grand opening run, but why are you being elitists?"

"You've run all over the map looking to shake things up, but why do you keep coming by GV for bio's & why
aren't you pushing any keeps with the pop buff after getting swarmed by 3 times your number after fighting
in one spot longer than 30 seconds?"

Let me know if I missed anything. And speaking just for myself, Rumble WOULD like a thank you for working
on getting geared up and still being in progress but going out there & saying obviously ridiculous things in OOC
to lighten the tension by cutting through the hoity toity **** he saw spewed in OOC for 5.5 hours last night,
all in the hopes of improving everyone's game play....in his own low brow immature way.

But that's just me...

Gutlard *Rumbledemus Chauncey Hammerthorn* Out!

Originally Posted by F1erceGam3r2

Man pappy....we just can't win can we....?

"Your zerg is killing creepside."

"Now your zerg is killing freepside."

"Some of you spent months getting your freep toons prepared to level the playing field, so why aren't you doing
what I want you to do and how I want to do it your first time out as a group not even practiced at jiving all of
your classes together in the most strategic manner?"

"You've done all this planning with your tribemates to improve PvP in your own way and you're reserving spots
in your raid for said tribemates on the official grand opening run, but why are you being elitists?"

"You've run all over the map looking to shake things up, but why do you keep coming by GV for bio's & why
aren't you pushing any keeps with the pop buff after getting swarmed by 3 times your number after fighting
in one spot longer than 30 seconds?"

Let me know if I missed anything. And speaking just for myself, Rumble WOULD like a thank you for working
on getting geared up and still being in progress but going out there & saying obviously ridiculous things in OOC
to lighten the tension by cutting through the hoity toity **** he saw spewed in OOC for 5.5 hours last night,
all in the hopes of improving everyone's game play....in his own low brow immature way.

But that's just me...

Gutlard *Rumbledemus Chauncey Hammerthorn* Out!

No, you can't win. And that's why the best response is to simply not play 'the game'. Let everyone who is willing bicker in ooc and on the forums, and just have fun away from it all.

I don't mind that you want to keep the group closed, or that you don't want to coordinate with other groups, or whatever. That doesn't bother me at all.

It's the attitude of doing nothing to help anyone else on the map, and in fact actively avoiding coming to anyone's aid that I find disappointing.

Originally Posted by Trinstar

I don't mind that you want to keep the group closed, or that you don't want to coordinate with other groups, or whatever. That doesn't bother me at all.

It's the attitude of doing nothing to help anyone else on the map, and in fact actively avoiding coming to anyone's aid that I find disappointing.

Yeah I can agree with that. If something is going on and there is another group or groups out there that want to "do something" I have no problem with that.

I think its the general attitude that WE are the ones responsible for "everything"...

As for coming to someones aid...well that's a bit more subjective. A few people calling out a handful of creeps in HH isn't reason for someone to move an entire raid there imo...calling out for help in a keep defense/take....another matter.

Originally Posted by Zzyn

To those freeps that have turned off /ooc instead of just /ignoring the problem folks, you have allowed yourself to now become part of the problem. You can pose and dance about being vets, that you are above it all, that you are better, and what you are bitter about all day.

But you gave up. You gave up on the part of the community that is out there trying to communicate. There are always bad apples in an online community. Shutting everyone out, rather than ignoring the specific people that bother you is lazy and sad. You have shunned all the new players out there that you don't know, and the returning players that simply want to have a little fun. You have forced them to have only one option; learn from the folks you have judged and convicted. So, when you see the attitudes of those you don't like multiply and begin re-appearing in newer people, you have no right to be upset. You left them no other option, because you opted out.

I'll still be calling out in /ooc when I'm out there. I don't have any particular disdain for anyone (except Yargax, lol). I just want to have fun, and be a part of a community that grows in a positive direction. I know simply ignoring the community won't achieve that. Personally, I've never /ignored anyone but a gold seller, because people's little texty pixels on a screen don't offend me, regardless of what they say.

Cheers.

That, my fiend, was beautiful. I couldnt have expressed the way I feel to the absolute "T" any better than that if you gave me a month to ponder on it. Thank you for articulating what I obviously could not.

Originally Posted by Trinstar

I don't mind that you want to keep the group closed, or that you don't want to coordinate with other groups, or whatever. That doesn't bother me at all.

It's the attitude of doing nothing to help anyone else on the map, and in fact actively avoiding coming to anyone's aid that I find disappointing.

I think maybe when we've had more than 2 days in the field to assess our own skills, coordination and what it's like to be on this side of the map, there'll be more willingness to play with others. Right now, a lot of us are total noobs to the freep side of things and want a chance to put our ducks in order.

Plus, I know that lots of us aren't there in order to achieve PvE goals on the PvP map. Freeps don't need keeps the way creeps do. I'd rather get out there and PvP.

Originally Posted by Feycat

I think maybe when we've had more than 2 days in the field to assess our own skills, coordination and what it's like to be on this side of the map, there'll be more willingness to play with others. Right now, a lot of us are total noobs to the freep side of things and want a chance to put our ducks in order.

Plus, I know that lots of us aren't there in order to achieve PvE goals on the PvP map. Freeps don't need keeps the way creeps do. I'd rather get out there and PvP.

If any of you watch the video I put together of it, you'll notice THREE solid hours of fighting in the open field. We died some, we lived some, and I believe that people on both sides of the equation had some fun.

Yes, it's about fun. If more folks would quit trying to hammer others into playing how THEY believe everyone should play, and just enjoy what's around them to enjoy without trying to take that away from anyone else - I really think the community would improve on its own.

There are some vet creeps that are just finding some enjoyment on freepside these days, and some freeps and creeps that have made some new friendships, and mixed some stuff up. What Sedho said is definitely true for the group I've played in - it's raw stuff - fun, but very challenging. I feel very much like a noob.

Originally Posted by PF-Grumpy

He means his community nub. Not yours.

I wasnt even refering to his specific comment regarding the community. In general you see Landroval community is awsome this is one example of many that people just fail to recognize.

So maybe you're a nublet?

Wow, there are some posts in this thread that make me want to start handing out tinfoil hats. Anywho....

Originally Posted by Moofer

FD roamed out of GV all nakie and tiny and level 60, so instead of insta-killing the naked level 60 with 3 ranked reavers we WALKED with him around the map, dusting eachother... Even with all the creeps out, we only really saw 1 or 2 on the way and only the defiler even noticed FD. Keep in mind we were WALKING, not moving fast at all and he was visible.

From GV-GTA-Back of Lug-Poor Lug-Isen Entrance-Secret Dwarf Camp-Poison spot, all that way and ONE defiler on the GTA side and ONE warg farming stone trolls by ROP.

I'm pretty sure that defiler was me. I was out turning in map quests and keeping our forests clean.

When I noticed a few reavers possibly getting freaky with a hobbit, I knew it was time for me to leave, so I vacated the area immediately.

I like pie.

((This thread got WAY too dark for me so I'm out. Look folks. Deal with ppl's **** or don't deal with it. Don't be ticked if people refuse to deal with yours. End of story. Everyone is right that whichever side fails to communicate will lose, but guess what...the same people that don't care about your pain over not being in the "cool kids raid" also don't care if the freeps "win"))

I'm out... I leave you with this to throw this bee hatch on lockdown...

Ok this is my perspective purely from an outsider’s point of you. I won’t try to use names so nobody get’s their panties twisted. None of us have walked miles in anyone else’s shoes. I don’t know anyone’s history. I don’t know who is pissed off at who for taking however many jelly beans. Some of the players on this server are tighter than a ducks butthole. When the smallest thing goes wrong they unravel. Some of you berate people for just calling out locations of creeps (one kin anyway that is usually a closed group any damn way). Well it even goes further than that some of you are just flat arrogant. Some of you will be surprised to know that the Sun doesn’t rise and set with your actions or words. Things people do aren’t always in response to what you’re doing. Go figure aye?

Who cares if a group that wasn’t there before is now? Who cares if they are no longer watching OOC? If it’s a closed group and the majority of them play creeps exclusively it is probably better they stay closed. They don’t really need to hear all the **** people talk about creeps. It will give them the wrong vibe, and yes there is the healthy competitive bantering that goes on BOTH sides nightly about the other side. Nobody is insulting anyone, but it’s like watching a game. When my team is losing I don’t normally say, “Hey they did a fabulous job of kicking our ***.”

The game is forever changed all this talk about prebook 12, hotspots, and other things come and gone. You know what other group of people talk like that? Former SWG players do, and they have been doing so for YEARS. So if you want to wait for the LOTRO emulator by all means go for it, but if your interested in just pvping its right in front of you. There are still several nights it happens. It happens more so here than any other server. ITS PVP nobody is going to be thrilled 90% of the time. Nobody is always “winning”.

LOTRO is more of a social game and even more on this server than many other games. It’s more personal. It’s more casual. We create the monster. There is no predefined benefit for winning on any level. We create the competitiveness because of there being no real benefit to win. We do it for the fun of just doing it. Sometimes I think this competitiveness spills over on a personal level.

Both sides do things the other doesn’t like. That is part of pvp. It’s not about what is good for a pvp community. It’s about two opposing forces that should do everything they can to out smart or out play the other. If you’re being baited maybe look at what you’re doing. And don’t give me some load telling me I don’t know what its like to solo as a visible target. I played a guardian when the guardian wasn’t some pvp monster and a captain. Part of the thrill to soloing is wondering if you are going to be ambushed. Yes ambushed not baited. It is not something new, and it is something wargs have been doing forever. Creep tactical communication is > freep’s. Why it is that way I don’t know. We can work on it or not. Every tool the other side is willing to use and you’re not you’re just making it that much more difficult for yourself.

Originally Posted by Thieron

So maybe you're a nublet?

Yes. Yes I am.


*hangs head in shame*

Originally Posted by PF-Grumpy

Yes. Yes I am.


*hangs head in shame*

It's ok little fella. Someday you can grow to be a full sized noob like me.

Originally Posted by PF-Grumpy

*shrug* She has hers.. I have mine. *waves at Sinn *

/waves back

/hides from Tarbosh

I finally cleaned out my little burg's bags so I can continue leveling her (is anyone else amusing by the idea of a level 20 Supreme Master Metalsmith Hobbit Burg?) and Killa is 46, so she is close to freepdom...

I'm thinking that the second I am ready to play them both in the moors, the pendulum will have swung again and it won't be so boring to play Mama any more, thus making all of the leveling and gearing up worthless. I am going to use Murphy's law against itself to improve the game!

No one should be abused in this game.

If it's happening over a channel and Turbine won't do anything about it, then I am in favour of turning off that channel over leaving the game.

When I log into my freep I don't OWE freepside and every last player on that side anything.

Do I try to contribute to "the team" through my gameplay decisions? Sure.

But if others who are supposedly on my team are making my life miserable I have every reason to ignore them in whatever way necessary.

No one was being "abused" anywhere. I agree with your post though, Luc. But that's just not what happened.

shrug

Originally Posted by Thieron

It's ok little fella. Someday you can grow to be a full sized noob like me.

Pah, no one will ever be as full as you. *grins*

Originally Posted by Aedon

Pah, no one will ever be as full as you. *grins*

Too true, too true

Originally Posted by Overtone

This is exactly what my small groups are now doing. We are no longer just looking for good fights by engaging in encounters with the hope of having a good fight. We are newly committed to the surgical destruction of our opponent. It's amazing how fast many of the zerging Creeps disappeared last night when they died a few times without being able to just faceroll for their infamy.

Our new motto is a familiar one: "To Give Them Nothing, But Take Everything!" Being AlphaTrinBoned is going to take on a whole new meaning...and it's going to get dirty...



And Brother Pounce...there is no reason why you shouldn't be Creeping. If that is truly what you enjoy and love to do, then by all means, do it. At the same time, if I were a Landy vet on the other side, and I saw shenanigans, I would be calling the perpetrators out for it.

There is a culture on Landy to preserve and a love for the good fight that still exists. Enforcement of this culture is a responsibility of both sides.

I do not like conflict over a game. I have many times called out folks for corpse jumping or in general being rude to their foe. I also cannot seem to hold my tongue when asshattery is running rampant.

I hear time and again, "this is just a game." That is more then a wee bit true. But I do not cheat at games, nor do I sit across the board in any game and call my opponents a name. I cannot recall the last time I corpse jumped someone after beating them in a game of chess.

Why is it okay in the eyes of some to do such things? Whay fun is to be had in tearing down someone else? Does that really uplift your spirits high enough to make it worth the heartache you cause others?

I have heard folks say, "well, I pay for the game and have a right to play as I wish." This is also true. But keep in mind that your rights have no right to infringe on the rights of others. You do not have the right to demean, badger or browbeat other players of this game. I assume that most who engage in such activities were bullies on the playground as well. Some may have even pulled the wings off flies.

I got destroyed by a burg pack when I first got here and they all took out Pipes and smoked on my corpse. I thought that was a stupid amount of effort to demonstrate their 1-shot skill and try and make me feel badly. They could have at least used some nice pipeweed and popped out dragons or something.

Originally Posted by Aedon

...I also cannot seem to hold my tongue when asshattery is running rampant.

...

I was running all over the Moors last night. You seemed to do a pretty good job at not saying anything...

Gutlard Out!

Originally Posted by Moofer

I got destroyed by a burg pack when I first got here and they all took out Pipes and smoked on my corpse. I thought that was a stupid amount of effort to demonstrate their 1-shot skill and try and make me feel badly. They could have at least used some nice pipeweed and popped out dragons or something.

That's a lot of stars you got there Moof.

Originally Posted by Gillianrial

That's a lot of stars you got there Moof.

You got some blood running down your chin...

Originally Posted by Gillianrial

No one was being "abused" anywhere. I agree with your post though, Luc. But that's just not what happened.

shrug

With respect, you can't really say that. You have no idea what may have been said, or what someone may have been upset about, because you may not have been there and may not have been offended by it if you were. One person who turned off ooc posted one screenshot of one incident. That hardly covers everyone and everything. It would be nice not to demean other peoples' feelings.

Originally Posted by F1erceGam3r2

I was running all over the Moors last night. You seemed to do a pretty good job at not saying anything...

Gutlard Out!

LOL, I must have missed it. Did I tell you I am also rather old?

Originally Posted by Gillianrial

That's a lot of stars you got there Moof.

Yeah, I don't expect them to last. I did hit 4.5 stars at one point, but it took some serious concentration to get there. Then once the freeps saw I had them, I got stripped down pretty quick

I don't think I died at all last night, got pretty lucky in a few spots at TA and DG when it was looking pretty grim for me but somehow escaped.

Originally Posted by Gillianrial

No one was being "abused" anywhere. I agree with your post though, Luc. But that's just not what happened.

shrug

I have the screenshots with the unfiltered names being hurled. I've seen it, I've experienced it.

I've personally felt harrassed in game. I laugh it off, but it does happen.

And I've seen LOTS of comments that are more than a little offensive and hurtful towards all kinds of groups.

BTW, because this is a common one. You want to get on my bad side, just make slurs about women, racial groups, or someone's sexual orientation in an open channel. It's a guarenteed report from me.

I have a really foul mouth. But I feel like I more or less keep it inside voicechat, and even then I try ti filter myself when I'm with people who I don't know.

But personal attacks and hate speech are VERY different than an occasional (or not occasional) swear word in my mind. It's a big solid line that some people don't hesitate to cross. And I for one can see how people would get sick of it. I know I have been.

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Not to mention the **** that starts getting hurled around in tells AFTER things happen in ooc.

People will very specifically bait a responce in ooc, get that person fired up (I'm a prime candidate for this I know) get some banter going THEN switch to tells to get REALLY out of line and offensive.

I think some some people in game would be very surprised to know the types of people they group with.

But I never make it personal.

I may get heated. I may argue till the cows come home, go back out, and come home again. But I don't stoop to personal attacks as long as I can help it.

Too much anger going around of late. Not sure why any of us would feel the drive to stay involved. Well, other then the fact that I want to bite you all.

But anyhow...back to ooc.

You all need to remember my perspective.

I'm not a believer that EVERYONE needs to be communicating every last movement of every creep and "working together".

IMHO that often leads to overkill situations and zerging, as more than necessary respond. This is obviously more of an issue creepside for the sole fact that they have maps. But I believe it's true freepside as well.

There are some leaders who BELIEVE with their heart and soul that they HAVE to have every last freep that is in the moors standing in the same spot to be victorious. And I despise that logic.

I think there's a WHOLE MAP out there that for the most part goes unused and I think there's plenty of room for solos, small groups, big groups, raids etc ALL of them to move around and get some fun fights going. And when this idea of ooc everything is working that goes away. Becuase everyone responds to the ooc and everyone ends up in front of a keep or at STAB. I've just seen it happen too many times to believe otherwise.

And I know, a LOT of people like that. They want EVERY freep and EVERY creep to clash somewhere on the map. And that's fine. But I don't.

MAYBE I'd reconsider if the game could handle it. But it can't. ANd I doubt I'd change my mind anyhow.

Originally Posted by Aedon

LOL, I must have missed it. Did I tell you I am also rather old?

Yeah, you did. Don't you remember?

Gutlard Out!

Originally Posted by Feycat

With respect, you can't really say that. You have no idea what may have been said, or what someone may have been upset about, because you may not have been there and may not have been offended by it if you were. One person who turned off ooc posted one screenshot of one incident. That hardly covers everyone and everything. It would be nice not to demean other peoples' feelings.

It would also be nice not to pounce on somebodies' improper use of the letter "g" in a post either, but who's noticing?

Originally Posted by leekofthewood

It would also be nice not to pounce on somebodies' improper use of the letter "g" in a post either, but who's noticing?

The difference is, she was trying to be funny about the whole thing, not pretentious and self-righteous.

Originally Posted by Olympic

The difference is, she was trying to be funny about the whole thing, not pretentious and self-righteous.

I, for one, didnt find it funny. At all. Go play your silly games with someone else and while your at it, the two of you can keep your hateful words to yourself as well. I wont be reading them anymore.

Originally Posted by leekofthewood

I, for one, didnt find it funny. At all. Go play your silly games with someone else and while your at it, the two of you can keep your hateful words to yourself as well. I wont be reading them anymore.

Hateful? Seriously? Wow. Nothing further from the truth.