Discussion: New to crafting - Trying a couple of vocations together

Hi,

I am pretty new to LOTRO and am currently playing a lvl17 guardian, who is now a journeyman armourer. I am finding prospector and metalsmithing a lot easier to level up as they seem to be complementary to each other i.e. resources and production go hand in hand. Tailoring is a bit harder due to unability to produce my own leather.

I understand that vocations are set so that there is a degree of dependence and this should help community building. But seeing the leather prices out there and looking at my lvl17 pocket (hehe), it is a bit of an issue.

The main reason for all of this is that I like the challenge of leveling up wearing my self crafted stuff and possibly earning some from that. It is probably something people can do without but I figured it would be a nice challenge.

ANYHOW, onto the main question:

I am looking at starting an alt that, for the time being, will be a woodsman (i.e. a forester that doesn't do what my armourer already does: prospector and tailor). Is it possible to level my crafting up without spending time on leveling the character? I would like to continue lvling my guardian as a main char and basically ship the hides to the alt so he can make my leather.



PS. Looking back, I could have posted this in the crafting section. If anyone can move the thread, that would be appreciated.

Envoyé par Andile

I am looking at starting an alt that, for the time being, will be a woodsman (i.e. a forester that doesn't do what my armourer already does: prospector and tailor). Is it possible to level my crafting up without spending time on leveling the character? I would like to continue lvling my guardian as a main char and basically ship the hides to the alt so he can make my leather.

You can, but it may take a long time to level your forester by just processing hides. Your forester is also able to process wood, which combined with the hides allows your crafter to progress quickly to the next tier of crafting. It seems to me your armourer would out-progress your forester in this way.

Envoyé par Hiney1

You can, but it may take a long time to level your forester by just processing hides. Your forester is also able to process wood, which combined with the hides allows your crafter to progress quickly to the next tier of crafting. It seems to me your armourer would out-progress your forester in this way.

Thank you, Hiney1. I hadn't thought of that obviously.

Envoyé par Andile

I am looking at starting an alt that, for the time being, will be a woodsman (i.e. a forester that doesn't do what my armourer already does: prospector and tailor). Is it possible to level my crafting up without spending time on leveling the character? I would like to continue lvling my guardian as a main char and basically ship the hides to the alt so he can make my leather.

Yes, it is COMPETELY possible to level up your crafting without leveling the character. As far as 'taking a long time to tier up' well, that arguement is a mute point. It takes a LOT less hides to tier up foresting then it does to tier up tailoring, roughly by half.

Envoyé par Kril

Yes, it is COMPETELY possible to level up your crafting without leveling the character. As far as 'taking a long time to tier up' well, that arguement is a mute point. It takes a LOT less hides to tier up foresting then it does to tier up tailoring, roughly by half.

This is correct


For example to master T1 you need:

Shopping List:
• Use Padded Armour Recipe (Auto Granted)
• 60 Spools of Rough Thread
• 240 Light Hides or 120 Pieces of Light Leather


To make those 120 Pieces of Light Leather on your forester you would gain (at 6 points per) 720 experience. It only takes 400 experience to master that level of forestry.

This holds true throughout the levels.

My tailor's guide has a fast track section in it for leveling your tailor (link in forum title and signature)



If you're in a kin you could ask someone to process the hides for you. If you're not in a kin you can still ask other players to process the hides for you - I would suggest that if you do that in small batches you will get more help. More people would be willing to take the time to process 20 or 30 hides than to devote the time to process 100 or more at a time.

One other thing to think about: you probably already have had to do a quest on your smith; your woodcrafter will also have to do quests to tier up. If you are just using him to process the hides, this is not an issue. If you do want to craft in wood, you can do the quests at a lvl under the zone/quest level, but you will need help!

(I crafted my way up to Supreme Forester largely with processing hides.)

Oh! Don't mail the hides between your characters. That gets >way< too expensive. Use your handy, dandy shared vault!!!

Envoyé par thalialotr

One other thing to think about: you probably already have had to do a quest on your smith; your woodcrafter will also have to do quests to tier up. If you are just using him to process the hides, this is not an issue. If you do want to craft in wood, you can do the quests at a lvl under the zone/quest level, but you will need help!

(I crafted my way up to Supreme Forester largely with processing hides.)

Oh! Don't mail the hides between your characters. That gets >way< too expensive. Use your handy, dandy shared vault!!!

If you are making a woodworker however, to make anything useful, you are going to have to level up regardless. The current cap crafted gear is all rep based barter recipes, since you can't even get into Moria till 45 or so, GL getting into Lorien until 55 atleast, and better yet, gl getting through the mirkwood starter instance if you can't find a 60+ that hasn't already run it to help you through it.

And unfortunately, the 'handy, dandy shared vault' is only available to those that purchased the adventurer's pack.

With a little (or a lot of) help on the woodworker quests you really only have to level to 20 to be able to enter a zone and not have it turn "red" on you.

You can level a woodworker all the way to Supreme master at that level if you have access to the higher materials through another character or a kin or the auction house.

You won't be able to make the rep gated lothlorien or mirkwood recipes true, but you can make a lot of useful things for sub 60 characters.

If you join the Woodworkers guild then you can even make up to 2nd age weapons and relics for LI's (provided you can get the materials)

So although you won't be able to make some of the more desirable items, you will be able to make many useful things.


If you have a house, the storage chest is also a good way to transfer things that are expensive to mail like ore and wood.

Envoyé par Unique

You won't be able to make the rep gated lothlorien or mirkwood recipes true, but you can make a lot of useful things for sub 60 characters.

If you join the Woodworkers guild then you can even make up to 2nd age weapons and relics for LI's (provided you can get the materials)

So although you won't be able to make some of the more desirable items, you will be able to make many useful things.

Useful things? Like what as a woodworker??? There is some furniture that you might be able to use in your house... The bookcases are nice... There are enough decent bows available from quest rewards to pretty much make the crafted ones useless, and after 50, completely useless (except rep craft bows for champs/guards). I guess you might be able to make some low level spears/clubs that might be 'useful', but... (My woodworker is still sitting at lvl 56, the single most useless crafter I have.)

Oh, carvings, you can make wardens carvings...

I disagree that it's possible to level crafting without leveling your character. The reason I state this, unless you have someone that is willing to protect you and get you through the quests, run multiple accounts and multibox, you won't be able to progress.

I helped a kinmate getting the ore from misty for the weaponsmith quest. When he died, the raise I gave him forced him to come back down in Rivendell rather than the spot he was defeated. I started thinking either this was a bug or it was Turbine trying to force people to actually level up so their crafting was in-line with their level.

Harvesting (forestry, mining, and farming) is a different matter. Those portions of your profession can be done solely through the purchase of materials via the auction house or if you are patient those goofy material quests, or alts. Do you need to be an appropriate level, no, just need enough gold.

But I cannot see anyone being level 1 and a supreme master cook, tailor, armourer, woodworker, weaponsmith, or jeweler. Doing the quests to advance those crafts are going to level you. Its easy to, however achieve supreme master by level 30, I have been able to do that on 3 different characters.

Envoyé par Kril

Useful things? Like what as a woodworker??? There is some furniture that you might be able to use in your house... The bookcases are nice... There are enough decent bows available from quest rewards to pretty much make the crafted ones useless, and after 50, completely useless (except rep craft bows for champs/guards). I guess you might be able to make some low level spears/clubs that might be 'useful', but... (My woodworker is still sitting at lvl 56, the single most useless crafter I have.)

Oh, carvings, you can make wardens carvings...

Yes, useful things

The OP stated that he/she liked the challenge of making their own stuff.
They also said they were a guardian so yes, they could make their own bows all the way up the line because Guardians can't have an LI bow.

They could also make some weapons (hammers, spear, club)

Yes they COULD use quest items but the way I read it was that they preferred to use crafted where they could.

To some it's a matter of the feeling you get from making your own gear as opposed to worrying about having the best gear at all times.

Sure, for the very endgame stuff you want it to be the best you can get but while you're leveling up it isn't necessary.


Edit: Those +10 agility relics sell pretty well too

Envoyé par Andile

I am looking at starting an alt that, for the time being, will be a woodsman (i.e. a forester that doesn't do what my armourer already does: prospector and tailor). Is it possible to level my crafting up without spending time on leveling the character? I would like to continue lvling my guardian as a main char and basically ship the hides to the alt so he can make my leather.

This doesn't make sense. You can always ask somebody to turn your hides into leather. The woodsman is overall pretty useless, don't start that as an alt.

In general, the quests required for advancing crafts require certain levels but you can do them with crafting alts if you find a strong bodyguard.