Thread: My question to all the transfers past and present

This includes you alzeria why do you come here why here of all the servers?

Originally Posted by iceknight493

This includes you alzeria why do you come here why here of all the servers?

Because we need more creeps. So I hope they keep transferring or at least rolling new toons.

Originally Posted by Olympic

Because we need more creeps. So I hope they keep transferring or at least rolling new toons.

dont make me hurt you

I transfered book 10 or so I think because the Moors back then were very dynamic on this server. Its moving closer and closer to being like all the others. Everytime someone moves I think they bring a little **** stuck with their shoes with them, and eventually with every transfer it brings the server closer to being like the others. So yes I helped destroy the Moors.

Originally Posted by Thieron

I transfered book 10 or so I think because the Moors back then were very dynamic on this server. Its moving closer and closer to being like all the others. Everytime someone moves I think they bring a little **** stuck with their shoes with them, and eventually with every transfer it brings the server closer to being like the others. So yes I helped destroy the Moors.

You bas****

*sigh* i miss the old landy...dont mean to offend the transfers but this server is gonna end up like the elendilmir aka zerg fest...

i dont like big raids (if my group go's over 9 i usually drop unless they are all close friends)

big raids are no fun.

freeps gain nothing, nothing at all from rank, so what is it that differs a skilled player from a um...nubby one? it sure as hell isnt the rank.

imo a player that can solo or run in very small groups is what makes you the better player in pvp. People that run in huge raids all the time dont learn much since it doesnt take much to get kills that way. No point in being rank 13 if you play like a rank 1. The day I reach those ranks I want to be glad to say I got it by learning to play my class better than others under my rank.

but im getting way out of the subject here so.....

(the end)

I am not technically a transfer, I rolled all new characters after being fairly established on Brandywine. For around a year, I had had a little lowbie burg that I had made here when I learned it was the unoifficial RP server.

She just signed on now and then to relax and hang out, and it didn't take long to see the enormous difference in the community between servers.
As far as the Moors go, I had been getting really sick of the zerg on BW, and just unfriendly community in general, lots of meta gaming, ect.

So I rolled Daizee to sniff around to see how the Landroval Moors was.

I'm telling you, within my first 30 minutes, I fell in love with it.
I intentionally went for slugs to start with, as on BW it is endless burg gank.
Sure enough, within the first 5 slugs, a guard ran up (not THAT guard) and began attacking me. But herein lies the difference...

He gave me MANY chances to escape, but of course I stayed and fought :P It was just so... civilized, funny as that sounds. As I rezzed in grams, I thought "What a gentleman!"
I was hooked from the get-go.

It isn't the first time it's been said, but Landroval's community is a class act.

Originally Posted by iceknight493

You bas****

I know right? I would like to welcome the new toolbag transfer to the Moors...Necksnapper-1. He has brought **** up to his elbows stuck on his shoes. I hope he is one of the Moof-1 transfers because it just proves to me that transfers are a bad idea, and they bring the wrong vibe to Landy.

Originally Posted by Thieron

I know right? I would like to welcome the new toolbag transfer to the Moors...Necksnapper-1. He has brought **** up to his elbows stuck on his shoes. I hope he is one of the Moof-1 transfers because it just proves to me that transfers are a bad idea, and they bring the wrong vibe to Landy.

lolzzzzzzzz

It is very sad really. We have a great community on Landy overall. And we will survive the invasion.

My suggestion again would be not to feed the transfers. If you see the pop buff or a bunch of Spewers or -1's or whatever, take a break. Leave the Moors. Go level your LI, craft some food and potions, etc. Just let them have the map. Eventually, they will (hopefully) get bored and go back to whatever hole they crawled out of.

i came because if u lived on bw and any one who did can attest, if u seen my posts here the maturity, level of this community is so much better.
I had honestly a miserable time on bw.

tvt a tribe came to bw and single handedly ruined the server.

i was on another server origionally fire foot, left that mainly cause of its size. It was small.

I left bw mainly cause of its drama.

honestly ppl refer to it as brandywhine for a reasn.

dont get me wrong.. i left many friends and good players.

They know who they are.

Ariella got harasssed off the server back to her old one. it honestly was not a pleasant place for me to be. most ppl i know leave a server because the situation is worse.

Some go to like endelimir to get easy renown.

Originally Posted by Thieron

I know right? I would like to welcome the new toolbag transfer to the Moors...Necksnapper-1. He has brought **** up to his elbows stuck on his shoes. I hope he is one of the Moof-1 transfers because it just proves to me that transfers are a bad idea, and they bring the wrong vibe to Landy.

thats like saying immigrants go back to where u came from ur not wanted here. america is a melting pot of society.

U can insult transfers all u want, but i love the diversity the fighting styles bring.


maybe instead of judging start fighting?

I don't get the problem honestly. PvP was a lot worse a month or two ago before any transfers showed up. It's nice to have some new targets.

plus its a lot easier to roll a new creep/freep . u can level quickly if u have the dsire to.

It takes money to transfer, 2-3 wks waiting time and u lose all ur dp. If u dont like the server u have to wait 90 days to go back.


U also leave behind many friends , i just think ppl should be a little more welcoming because its like sending ur kid to middle school after moving.

its a transition that will take time to get used to and not everyone is receptive.

Originally Posted by Thieron

I know right? I would like to welcome the new toolbag transfer to the Moors...Necksnapper-1. He has brought **** up to his elbows stuck on his shoes. I hope he is one of the Moof-1 transfers because it just proves to me that transfers are a bad idea, and they bring the wrong vibe to Landy.

He isn't......Sorry to disappoint you.

Its funny that transfers are getting blamed for the zergs when(speaking for Cjunk only) are the ones that roll solo or in small groups and intentionally stay away from the freep/creep zergball.

Don't blame the tranfers for Turbines own dooms bringing. Ontop of that all the dramas only this server can cook up.

Raid fights = decent
Group fights = decent
Solo fights = broken, with turbines continuous need to move towards creep individualism and freep group working means what i just said above. Creeps are naturaly beasts, while freeps need to press buttons in a co-playstyle to be beasts that leads to freeps need either better gear or must have a few buddies to live to fight another day.

Therefore it's flop sided for those who wish to dance hands solo. :/
You cannot as discovered by many games before lotro who wish to emphasise even a squidly bit to pvp have it completely group orientated.

Anywho not to ***** and bring no alternative, freeps need better gear.

Personally I have no problems with transfers. So far I haven't seen das****ly behavior from any of them.... at least not more das****ly than any of us. I usually give people the benefit of the doubt before going after them with a rope.

Landroval is a great server with great people playing in the moors (on both sides) alongside a bunch of buttheads that eventually quit when the newest flavor of the month MMO comes out or they run out of things to complain about.

More is more better good.

Most transfers cannot be blamed for the zerging. moof-1 is a really nice guy and creep junk always runs in small groups or solo if anything (not theyr fault they have newby creeps following them most of the time).

Originally Posted by Olympic

Because we need more creeps. So I hope they keep transferring or at least rolling new toons.

Lol. I assume this is sarcasm.

Originally Posted by sebo2yoface

Most transfers cannot be blamed for the zerging. moof-1 is a really nice guy and creep junk always runs in small groups or solo if anything (not theyr fault they have newby creeps following them most of the time).

Yeah, I don't blame anyone in particular (aside from Tarbosh/Masc) for the zerging on creep side. It has become part of the thier culture now. Sadly, the only solution is to nerf them into oblivion, so they actaully have to work for kills and use skill again, instead of /faceroll2win.

Originally Posted by Zzyn

Sadly, the only solution is to nerf them into oblivion, so they actaully have to work for kills and use skill again, instead of /faceroll2win.

I still want my warg to be brought DOWN to the burg's level! ROFL, god thats sooo hard to say with a straight face.

transfers came after the zerg. The zerg was here even before i got here .

Although i can see creeps frustrations, where they feel they cant even play because they are being pushed off the side they like.

Yet its not necissarily transfers.

U can easily roll a new creep and rank up fast.

i honestly think since freeps had to level 15 levels w/ expansions the starting level for creeps freeps hsould be 25.

to transfer to a server u should have a level 25 freep just my opinion.

Originally Posted by sebo2yoface

Most transfers cannot be blamed for the zerging. moof-1 is a really nice guy and creep junk always runs in small groups or solo if anything (not theyr fault they have newby creeps following them most of the time).

heck i get yelled at when i dont raid. I am guessing its my class?
i try to not always raid but i find the more i dont the more u get yelled at.
maybe the mentality of that needs to be changed, not the transfers?

On bw i will say this if u couldnt solo u were basically chastised as u suck. I can't even get a solo fight here, not that i find soloing important. War was never fought alone.

i just think the zerg is a zerg no matter what server ur on.

Originally Posted by sebo2yoface

Most transfers cannot be blamed for the zerging. moof-1 is a really nice guy and creep junk always runs in small groups or solo if anything (not theyr fault they have newby creeps following them most of the time).

We get shadowed very often, its annoying, but not much we can do. If we see tag alongs we normally try to map to a diff area. but its hard to see wargs lurking at a distance.

Originally Posted by sebo2yoface

Most transfers cannot be blamed for the zerging. moof-1 is a really nice guy and creep junk always runs in small groups or solo if anything (not theyr fault they have newby creeps following them most of the time).

I will agree that when we groups sometimes we will aquire tag-alongs. If they are visibles and they don't respond to our hints to leave we usually "crazy ivan" them, not much we can do about wargs who shadow us for the scraps however.

*edit* Pure read my mind.

my groups get t too, or the raid shows up ,yet if i am near the raid and not in it omg.

i am finding it harder though right now to get the opportunity to small group.

I transfered Moinuk here (September-ish '08 iirc) for lots of reasons, one of which was my best friend and partner in crime over there, Warthag had quit and I was getting bored of playing a Warg here but wanted to keep playing with friends.

Originally Posted by Zalexia

On bw i will say this if u couldnt solo u were basically chastised as u suck. I can't even get a solo fight here, not that i find soloing important. War was never fought alone.

Both of those statements are not my experience at all.

The several times I've popped over to BW, the masses ruled the server and there were even more skillless players as there are here simply because their population is greater which means there's less of a requirement to play well solo. The smaller the server, the more challenging individual play will become.

On the other comment... I don't think I've ever seen you solo. Not that you don't.... I just mean you don't appear to be trying very hard.

know why i dont? cause i can't .. it never is a 1vs1 fight, ppl feel the need to call in 3 more. i gave up 3 months ago.

on bw i solo'd a lot. i used to be able to fight any class, than mirkwood zerg fest and i gave up.

Originally Posted by lebleh

Raid fights = decent
Group fights = decent
Solo fights = broken, with turbines continuous need to move towards creep individualism and freep group working means what i just said above. Creeps are naturaly beasts, while freeps need to press buttons in a co-playstyle to be beasts that leads to freeps need either better gear or must have a few buddies to live to fight another day.

Therefore it's flop sided for those who wish to dance hands solo. :/
You cannot as discovered by many games before lotro who wish to emphasise even a squidly bit to pvp have it completely group orientated.

Anywho not to ***** and bring no alternative, freeps need better gear.

I can only speak for Champions. But from where I sit, there is not a single creep that has a better than 50/50 chance against me solo (IF I HAVE MY COOLDOWNS). In fact, there are likely VERY few, less than 5 that even get near that 50/50, all of them Wargs or Reavers.

So IMHO solo play is not broken.

The motivations to solo ARE in fact broken, which leads to solo fights being EXTREMELY rare between competant players. Most solo's I'd suggest are wargs ganking nub freeps or solo freeps ganking green/blue creeps. And those fights are probably 1/20th of what normally happens to a solo player who engages one foe. The other 19/20 it ends up NOT being 1v1 and ends up being crazy faceroll. This is particularly true amongst the players who would normally present the MOST threat alone. Those players are never alone. Interesting observation huh?

Anyhow, IMHO Turbine needs to reincentivise the moors in a way that encourages people to NOT swarm to every last call out of even the smallest of forces. Turbine needs to look VERY closely at their, IMHO, out of whack risk/reward balance in the moors that encourages all this zerging.

Note: zering to me is when an overwhelming numerical force is used to obliterate a smaller force. It doesn't even have to be a raid. If I engage 1 foe and he kites me until 5 map in to kill me that's zerging. There NEEDS to be motivation for those out alone to fight each other.

This ALSO becomes apparent in small group play. In fact this is currently my largest fear, that soon small grouping will be like soloing. That it'll be virtually impossible becuase small groups are getting responded to like they're full raids lately.

I can cite example after example...but I think we all know it when we see it. When a force just will NOT engage unless they have mad numbers. OR when a force is continually seeking you out and the whole other side is mapping in even when you have a significantly smaller force.

Are the transfers to "blame" for this? No, not personally. Let me make myself crystal clear. There is NO blame towards any individual to be had here.

But I will make these points:

1> Landy did have a decidedly different culture than the other servers and I see that going away.

2> The population imbalance is not the cause of the problems but it DOES amplify the problems, and IMHO if we backed out the spewers and the high ranked transfers over the past month we'd have a really nice numerical balance on the server. Instead it often feels like there's nothing the freeps can do to find a good fight. I know several freep players who would rather be playing their creeps. But in a way they've been displaced by transfers in the hopes that by playing freepside things will be less out of whack.

3> Creeps have always been able to "roll a toon" and get to the moors easier. And it's always meant there will likely be more creeps than freeps. But this was offset by the fact that they start out weaker and that there's a fixed population freepside to pull from. But when dedicated creeps start coming from other servers, the types of creeps who are playing every day and logging big hours it can REALLY disrupt the balance.

I have absolutely nothing personal against anyone who logs into the game to play in the ettenmoors. But I think we're dealing with a perfect storm of issues.

1> Creeps are tougher.
2> Freep numbers are down.
3> Creep numbers are inflated by transfers.
4> There is a trend that has been occuring over the past year+ that is leading to more and more zergy play.

Note: B12 encouraged RAIDING. And my problem was NEVER against RAIDING. It was against the possibility of what we're seeing now. Zerging.

Swarming to any call out of any foe with massive numbers.

Until there are reasons in the game for people to not play that way, and to seek out fights around the map and not just all cluster in one spot...I'm afraid not only soloers are going to suffer, but ultimately so will ANY group that isn't inside of that cluster. I believe we're starting to see it with respect to small groups. I believe a lot of transferrs who came from E came here BECAUSE this has already happened on E.

The real question is, if Turbine isn't going to fix this via mechanics. Can we as a community fix it via restraint. Can we as a community choose NOT to map in, or swarm to each and every call out of any force on the map?

/shrug

Having said all that, I'd love to be even marginally tougher than a R0 Champ. So yeah, some gear/buffs for ranking would be welcome freepside.

Originally Posted by Zalexia

know why i dont? cause i can't .. it never is a 1vs1 fight, ppl feel the need to call in 3 more. i gave up 3 months ago.

I didn't say you don't have legit reasons, I just mean that it's a bit unfair to make a statement like "I can't get solo fights here" if you haven't even tried in over three months.

Originally Posted by Zalexia

on bw i solo'd a lot. i used to be able to fight any class, than mirkwood zerg fest and i gave up.

I'd wager that had a lot more to do with the combat mechanic changes that Moria brought that made the Minstrel go from a slow-and-steady-wins-the-race class to one that relies on devistates or dies in 30 seconds.

Originally Posted by romoen

I didn't say you don't have legit reasons, I just mean that it's a bit unfair to make a statement like "I can't get solo fights here" if you haven't even tried in over three months.

I've only ever gotten one... Greenie Defiler. I was then hit by 4 Rank 7s....

I am pretty sure I am to blame for all the zerging. I zerg freeps all the time. And I am not a transfer./shrug....sorry everyone.

book 12 did infact ruin the moors, whether it be the month of the minstrel , i dont know it encouraged zerging. to see ppl rank in 2 wks verses the 3 months it took me to get rank 6 , that should show u .

I complain now in pve groups that ppl dont know their jobs because everything is a pew pew dps race. No one has to think any more in this game to do anything, its dps it fast and win, raid up and win.

Same out here, its a lot harder to find ppl who know their class.


If u had another "poll on the forums" of who is the best of the best thread, i dont think u could say anyone because u can't tell.



I think turbines, gotta stop nerfing, increase the creep starter level freeps/transfers need a 25 on the server before allowed to come over...

i think they gotta stop nerfing the instances that are " too hard".


i also think ppl think they know how ppl play til they run w/ them. so until ur a pug in the small group or following someone around no one should judge anyone.

Originally Posted by romoen

I'd wager that had a lot more to do with the combat mechanic changes that Moria brought that made the Minstrel go from a slow-and-steady-wins-the-race class to one that relies on devistates or dies in 30 seconds.

You can still do the slow-and-steady on defilers though! I made it through 2 (accidental, I believe) CJs from Trin yesterday outside of HH before other creeps randomly showed up and she, you know, Trinstar'ed. I am going to start using that as a verb.

Luc i don't count cooldowns in the scheme of balance. I can safely brag that there is no Warg on this server / Malicious even him now with my weapons that can defeat me in a 1v1 with my Cooldowns.

I however do wish to continue soloing after i busted 15 minutes worth of cooldowns.
While saying this I have some of the best gear in the game and i consider myself rank 5'ish strength without cooldowns, needless to say when i'm on my reaver and I see new freeps who think coming out with 4k health allows them to pvp is heart breaking. And we sit their asking why we don't have enough freeps. Go figure.

Originally Posted by dinin42

I am pretty sure I am to blame for all the zerging. I zerg freeps all the time. And I am not a transfer./shrug....sorry everyone.

I saw you solo last night and was gonna "shout" out at you...



Then I got rooted in the river by a spider.


But yeah, you zerg all the time, just like me. Whenever I hear the raid leader call for a retreat I immediately charge the creeps. :eyeroll: I just wish my raid was bigger that 3 people, apparently that's not a very effective raid. *shrug*

Originally Posted by romoen

I didn't say you don't have legit reasons, I just mean that it's a bit unfair to make a statement like "I can't get solo fights here" if you haven't even tried in over three months.

I'd wager that had a lot more to do with the combat mechanic changes that Moria brought that made the Minstrel go from a slow-and-steady-wins-the-race class to one that relies on devistates or dies in 30 seconds.

it has nothing to do w/ the minstrel changes nor did i say it did.

i am saying i've tried to solo, but frankly since if u saw my thread about charkk and his psider, that was honestly the first fight i was not zerged.

Didnt i thank u for it charrk?


i mean i dont kill people at slugs, that is not soloing, i dont camp ppl questing at hh, that is not soloing imho.

so til i see u running with me and knowing how i play dont judge that is not what this thread is about.

This thread is about transfers and how its affecting the server.

Originally Posted by Danaca

You can still do the slow-and-steady on defilers though! I made it through 2 (accidental, I believe) CJs from Trin yesterday outside of HH before other creeps randomly showed up and she, you know, Trinstar'ed. I am going to start using that as a verb.

But I are not a Defiler.

Originally Posted by Zalexia

it has nothing to do w/ the minstrel changes nor did i say it did

Ummmm. Okay? I didn't say you did. *scratches head*

Originally Posted by Zalexia

i am saying i've tried to solo, but frankly since if u saw my thread about charkk and his psider, that was honestly the first fight i was not zerged.

I'm not really sure why you're so defensive; I was just talking about the fact that you're making a declaration of your inability to find any solo fights when you don't, in fact, solo. You even admitted it yourself?

Originally Posted by Zalexia

i mean i dont kill people at slugs, that is not soloing, i dont camp ppl questing at hh, that is not soloing imho.

I've been killed by you and Dagr while I was questing in HH. *shrugs*

Originally Posted by Zalexia

so til i see u running with me and knowing how i play dont judge that is not what this thread is about.

This thread is about transfers and how its affecting the server.

I'm *so* confused. I didn't judge anything. You said you haven't soloed in three months so I said your assessment of your inability to solo might not be very acurate.

/popcorn


/drama on

Ok...... GO!

not defensive, i made a comment about soloing is near impossible and u commented on it, how is explaining a situation defensive?

just cause i dont always agree, doesnt mean i'm being defensive.

Originally Posted by Zalexia

i mean i dont kill people at slugs, that is not soloing, i dont camp ppl questing at hh, that is not soloing imho.

.

Um. If you're alone, you're soloing.

"Camp people questing at HH" isn't soloing? Seriously?

Some of my best fights EVER have occured vs some of the highest ranked creeps we have in/around HH.

Same with the slugs.

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As difficult as it is to be solo out there I'm surprised you'd gimp yourself with these arbitrary rules.

Why do creeps deserve to just farm npcs without the risk of a freep? I honestly can't understand your logic on this one.