Sauron was already known as a servant of Morgoth before he would have had a chance to "Come from the outside," wasn't he?
No, he "came from outside" as a servant of Aule, and remained so until the destruction of the two pillars at least (although he was a spy for Morgoth for quite some time before that).
though you are scratching at some of the right doors.
Iluvatar, who abides "beyond the confines of the World"?
* * * "From without the World, though all things may be forethought in music or foreshown in vision from afar, to those who enter verily into Eä each in its time shall be met at unawares as something new and unforetold."
If Morgoth is scratching at the right doors, then I will have to try the other person to descend from the dark outside, Ungoliant.
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Originally Posted by BIGeyedBUG
Iluvatar, who abides "beyond the confines of the World"?
This is close. However, the target of the one-word clue resides within Arda.
I am trying to remain true to the spirit of this trivia category which is: ONE word Tolkien trivia. So giving clues sort of negates the one-word rule.
Like I told you... What I said...Steal your face right off your head.
We also have the Maia who carry the Sun and the Moon (I forget their names) and travel beyond the Doors of Night into the Outside each day. However, since they are a duo, that would make the answer non-unique.
I will say Tulkas, because he did not initially come into Arda with the other Ainur (and therefore can be distinguished from Morgoth).
Not Tulkas
Originally Posted by Vilnas
We also have the Maia who carry the Sun and the Moon (I forget their names) and travel beyond the Doors of Night into the Outside each day. However, since they are a duo, that would make the answer non-unique.
Not them either.
Ok, a clue:
This is the only true outsider to all in middle-earth.
Like I told you... What I said...Steal your face right off your head.
There is no such framework in the published version of The Silmarillion; Tolkien eventually changed the intended framework of the saga, altering its mode from tales told by Ælfwine to one based around Bilbo Baggins's Red Book translations of "Elvish lore".
oops, there goes another clue.....
Like I told you... What I said...Steal your face right off your head.
Tom has no relatives.
No pop, no mom, no sons, no daughters.
So, related to no one: a total outsider, belonging to no group.
Goldberry was a candidate, but she has a mom.
Like I told you... What I said...Steal your face right off your head.
* * * "From without the World, though all things may be forethought in music or foreshown in vision from afar, to those who enter verily into Eä each in its time shall be met at unawares as something new and unforetold."
Tom has no relatives.
No pop, no mom, no sons, no daughters.
So, related to no one: a total outsider, belonging to no group.
Goldberry was a candidate, but she has a mom.
With all due respect, I would personally have characterized Tom as the epitome of an "insider" with respect to Arda. In my view, he is portrayed more as being utterly grounded, in the manner of a manifestation of the land itself. I guess I misunderstood the connotation of your clue "outsider" as being more about the metaphysics of the universe, when actually the first guess "Strider" was closer to getting at the sense of what you meant - it being more about biological and spiritual connections and relationships.
With all due respect, I would personally have characterized Tom as the epitome of an "insider" with respect to Arda. In my view, he is portrayed more as being utterly grounded, in the manner of a manifestation of the land itself. I guess I misunderstood the connotation of your clue "outsider" as being more about the metaphysics of the universe, when actually the first guess "Strider" was closer to getting at the sense of what you meant - it being more about biological and spiritual connections and relationships.
Oh well, you say tater and I say totter...
"Wouldn't it be a real drag if we were all the same..." Savoy Brown.
Like I told you... What I said...Steal your face right off your head.
Not Huan but we are talking First Age if that helps.
Aghan's watch-stone?
* * * "From without the World, though all things may be forethought in music or foreshown in vision from afar, to those who enter verily into Eä each in its time shall be met at unawares as something new and unforetold."
Faithful. The Easterlings of the House of Bor, who remained loyal to the Elves and Edain at the Nirnaeth Arnoediad.
We have a winner, I thought of the Druedan too after I posted, apparently Bor was initially intended to translate as "faithful vassal" where as Ulfang 'hideous beard', Uldor 'hideous ruler', Ulfast 'hideous shaggy hair' and Ulwarth 'hideous betrayer' were the other easterlings Maedhros decided to form alliances with. In hindsight Maedhros could show better judgement when conducting job interviews with applicants called 'hideous betrayer' etc.
We have a winner, I thought of the Druedan too after I posted, apparently Bor was initially intended to translate as "faithful vassal" where as Ulfang 'hideous beard', Uldor 'hideous ruler', Ulfast 'hideous shaggy hair' and Ulwarth 'hideous betrayer' were the other easterlings Maedhros decided to form alliances with. In hindsight Maedhros could show better judgement when conducting job interviews with applicants called 'hideous betrayer' etc.
Nice one Morthaur. I have often wondered at the apparent inability of characters to recognize such danger signals.
If I may, I am going to sneak a really easy one in before BluesManCharlie takes his turn. It shouldn't take this group more than 5 minutes, but I like the answer so much that I want to slip it in somewhere:
Ok, I'll try the obvious one first: Thuringwethil?
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I have often wondered at the apparent inability of characters to recognize such danger signals
Maybe such names were in some cases not the actual names of the persons, but rather (dis-) honorifics given much later on?
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* * * "From without the World, though all things may be forethought in music or foreshown in vision from afar, to those who enter verily into Eä each in its time shall be met at unawares as something new and unforetold."
Ok, I'll try the obvious one first: Thuringwethil?
edit:
Maybe such names were in some cases not the actual names of the persons, but rather (dis-) honorifics given much later on?
Thuringwethil is correct. What an awesome name that was. Sauron is also mentioned as running off to become a vampire after Huan and Luthien open up a can of whoop on him, but in my mind Sauron is so much more that Thuringwethil seems to the clear choice.
I think you are probably right about the honorific thing.
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