Thread: The Scholars Guide

Originally Posted by roborobo

Just so you know, the Greater potion recipes are backwards atm. I submitted 2 bugs on it. The recipe titled Greater Essence of Athelas is actually Greater Celebrant Salve and vice versa. Same thing seems to be the case with Refined, the Refined Essence of Athelas Recipe turned out to be Refined Celebrant Salve. Don't know about Pure since I don't have any of those yet.

It's in the latest known issues thread. Looks like they're going to fix it.

Originally Posted by Patience

The recipes for Greater Celebrant and Greater Athelas are backwards; Celebrant teaches Athelas, and vice versa. Hang on to the recipes, because we'll fix this retroactively in an upcoming patch.

Originally Posted by Cuthillian

Where are you hunting and what is your level? If you are in Ered Luin, Ringdale is a good spot for pitcher camping, plus the dourhands drop the occasional text and lots of other goodies. The dwarfes tend to be 10-11ish.

Thanks! I am a human and have been in Bree-land. I will head to Ered Luin for a while.

This is an excellent guide and it has helped me out quite a bit in reguards to what purple (mastery items) I need to be saving)

For those having a hard time locating tier one scholar nodes I think the best strategy is to pick a weekday night/morning and go to the Midewater Marshes in Bree-Land. The Fort has at least eight different places a pitcher can spawn and cocoons and supply crates that can be looted that contain texts, recipes, and other interesting items.

Just circle the Fort spamming delete to locate the pitchers, turn on floaty names so you can see them, and you can even use /follow if you are having a problem locating them.

In a couple of days I was able to pull out enough texts to master my apprentice level and have enough left over to put up for sale at the auction hall and give some to a couple of other scholars who helped me finish a quest.

Also it should be noted that Woodsedge has at least four spawn points and it is just a short run northeast of the Fort. Depending on your graphic settings you can probably see the ruins from the Fort when looking northeast.

Also the Goblinhold Ruins have pitchers in them, but be careful as there are plenty of midgewater goblins roaming around that don't take kindly to having their home pillaged.

If you get bored camping you can work on your neeker-breaker and sickle-fly deeds and the goblins in the Marsh will drop texts and trinkets and recipes from time to time. Don't be afraid to take a few of them on.

Anyone found a Superior Study yet? I checked where the guide says and there's not one in the library.

I hope it wasn't removed with the rest of the studies :/

The superior study IS the entire Library at Rivendell. Just do the quest, and being in the library activates the formulas that need it.

Im working on the expert quest for scholars (the path of learning II)
Where do i find the faded sindarian passages, cracked dwarven passages, or the lost stanza of aiglios?
Im stumped.
Thanks in advance!

Two of those are your tier 3 materials, and if you look on the front page of this guide, you will see where to find them. Reading the quest would help you some, as the lost stanza is a ground spawn, again, as the guide states. Perhaps scholar isnt your calling.

Do I have to have Apprentice and Journeyman mastered before I can complete the path to learning II? I just collected the satchel along with the other items I was asked for and then tried to complete the lost stanzas, it said success but Nano won't talk to me now and it doesn't show the quest as complete :/

Update: I figured it out....it was late give me a break! :P

dont worry, as soon as you get to journeyman, youll have a **** load of cryptic texts, but not enough trinkets ~.~ white hand goblins drop the texts like theyre pinatas filled with them. best thing to do, hollar at your kinsmen to send you all the mats. promise returns or payment, and then just wait for them to forget >.>

oh, and i have an extra ballad of aigolos (dont ask) on brandywine but ive got a question about this item... is it a replenishable item? like map home? if not, then turbine should have made it worth my troubles for the damn thing.

This thread rocks, I have it bookmarked,

I find it indispensible, thank you!

Originally Posted by waylander123

Im working on the expert quest for scholars (the path of learning II)
Where do i find the faded sindarian passages, cracked dwarven passages, or the lost stanza of aiglios?
Im stumped.
Thanks in advance!

Well, you could read the paper that was given to you with the quest, which you can't delete without dropping the quest.

But the easiest way is to just buy the first two off the AH, and go pick up the stanzas where the quest tells you to get it.

Anyone take a look at the lore book that turbine has put together? Looks like very big changes in store for how potions are made. http://lorebook.lotro.com/index.php/...nce_of_Athelas

I don't know how this is going to change scholar as a profession -- good or bad, but definitely looks like a big change is in store. My guess is that the XP for crafting potions will also be entirely reworked -- maybe only 1-2 XP/potion made, since it looks like potions will be able to be made much more easily. Also, there's no indication of where the athelas leaves or celebrant water is coming from. They will probably be vendor items since the change looks like it's intended to make potions easier to make. Trying to decide now if it's better to master all the levels using the current XP system or to gather materials and then wait until the patch.

edit... looks like the npc scholars will be selling the athelas leaves and the celebrant water.

For the journeyman proficiency quest (road to knowledge II i think) the easiest thing to do is to get a work order for esoteric lore (i think it's esoteric...it's the middle one) for 20 silver and wait it out. they prove cracked dwarf carvings and sindarin passages. you could also try the rarest work order for the passages.

the guide here gives the exact location of the satchel you need to pick up.

that makes the quest a whole lot easier...

Originally Posted by Haldradan

Anyone take a look at the lore book that turbine has put together? Looks like very big changes in store for how potions are made. http://lorebook.lotro.com/index.php/...nce_of_Athelas

I don't know how this is going to change scholar as a profession -- good or bad, but definitely looks like a big change is in store. My guess is that the XP for crafting potions will also be entirely reworked -- maybe only 1-2 XP/potion made, since it looks like potions will be able to be made much more easily. Also, there's no indication of where the athelas leaves or celebrant water is coming from. They will probably be vendor items since the change looks like it's intended to make potions easier to make. Trying to decide now if it's better to master all the levels using the current XP system or to gather materials and then wait until the patch.

edit... looks like the npc scholars will be selling the athelas leaves and the celebrant water.

What indicates to you that NPCs will sell the leaves & water? In the forum discussing the LoreBook, farmers seem to think they will be growing the leaves [dunno about the water].

Other questions: Will our current formulae still work in addition to the new formulae, or will they be replaced? Will all those scraps of text now be useless*? [* they can be used for the scrolls still, I think, but why bother...]

Originally Posted by uncus

What indicates to you that NPCs will sell the leaves & water? In the forum discussing the LoreBook, farmers seem to think they will be growing the leaves [dunno about the water].

This from the Lorebook would seem to indicate vendors will supply leaves and water. As would thisand this.

Thanks for the links!

Does this now mean that all those scraps of text are now next to useless?[being only used for those scrolls that don't give enough bonus to bother with]
Will all the known formulae be changed or will we need to find/learn the new formulae or will we have access to both?

i called this in another post i know they were gonna use kingfoil instead of a text. which makes me happy

Originally Posted by Kirklin

For the journeyman proficiency quest (road to knowledge II i think) the easiest thing to do is to get a work order for esoteric lore (i think it's esoteric...it's the middle one) for 20 silver and wait it out. they prove cracked dwarf carvings and sindarin passages. you could also try the rarest work order for the passages.

the guide here gives the exact location of the satchel you need to pick up.

that makes the quest a whole lot easier...

Whoa, is that true? I have been having little success getting into Angmar at level 25

Flawed Spider Eyes can also be found on Spiders in the Kingsfell area of North Downs.

Not sure if this has already been discussed, but thought it worth a mention: These are not as easily recognised as other crafting trophies as they do not have the purple box around them nor do they mention that they can be used in crafting (they look like all other junk drops). This being said, I imagine that players often sell these to merchants without realising their true value to scholars. I would think this is also the reason you never see them for sale on the AH (at least on the Elendilmir server anyway).

Originally Posted by Aerioch

Whoa, is that true? I have been having little success getting into Angmar at level 25

You don't have to go to Angmar anyway...the scholar guide talks about the RUINED dwarf carving, what you need is the CRACKED dwarf carving. both the sindarin passage and the cracked dwarf carving are in the middle work order, and can be purchased from the auction house.

if you are on the Arkenstone server, I can definitely sell you everything you need for that quest (minus the satchel of course.)

Originally Posted by Kirklin

You don't have to go to Angmar anyway...the scholar guide talks about the RUINED dwarf carving, what you need is the CRACKED dwarf carving. both the sindarin passage and the cracked dwarf carving are in the middle work order, and can be purchased from the auction house.

if you are on the Arkenstone server, I can definitely sell you everything you need for that quest (minus the satchel of course.)

Thanks for the offer Kirklin. I did finally get the carving from the work order.

Does anyone have any information on the wereabouts of the items for "The path of Learning IV" I have all but the "Ruined Dwarf-Manuscript". I cannot find it in Augmar. And being only 36 it is pretty tough going in there. Anyone have an idea where I can pick this item up? Is there a chest that it is in? A location maybe? Or can I just kill Hillmen till it drops?

Rollin, i direct you to page one of this guide, for the location of your item, to include what it is, and its exact Loc.


Guardsman Lingul, Grand Master Scholar
Valor
Brandywine Server

Originally Posted by uncus

Thanks for the links!

Does this now mean that all those scraps of text are now next to useless?[being only used for those scrolls that don't give enough bonus to bother with]

I wouldn't call them useless at 4s a pop sold to a vendor. I call them a steady source of income.

Originally Posted by Arcin

Rollin, i direct you to page one of this guide, for the location of your item, to include what it is, and its exact Loc.


Guardsman Lingul, Grand Master Scholar
Valor
Brandywine Server

Not quite sure what you mean by this. I do not see the Ruined Dwarf Manuscript mentioned anywhere, let alone its location? Am I missing something?


Aah, I see, they have it as a Dwarf Carving, instead of its proper Name of Manuscript. Thanks, Ill go check it out!

I thank you from the bottom of my heart. I have been trying to find out where everything was that I need for this craft. So now, thanks to you, I don't have to go in circles and look like I don't know what in the world I am doing. Thanks again.

when r the changes in the recipes for potions going into effect? when can i buy athelas to make potions instead of farming all day?

At the risk of incurring the wrath of some scholars (and praise of others), the ruins of Minas Vrûn in North Downs also spawns several broken urns. The ruins south of the road there usually has 1 urn (tho it may be hard to detect, it likes to spawn on the river-facing walls), and there are perhaps 4 other urn spawn locations along the various walls in the ruins north of the road.

Not incredibly safe ruins - lots of wolves, boars, and goblins that are blue / light blue to a level 25 character.

If this has been mentioned before, my apologies. I tried to search the thread after noticing that MV wasn't listed in the urn spawns.

I only just Minas Vrun's spawns last night, and it was a very pleasant surprise!

You might want to add Agamaur in Lone Lands as a location for Tier 3 Vases...I personally have never seen so many in one area...nor as many drops of pieces as the elites in there did.

EDIT: Looking through this thread it is clear that hand bound journals are difficult to find but I know they are not impossible...I have 2...location unknown...got them free from a kinsman! This is on Nimrodel

What's the best way for scholars to make money?

Dyes are typically the best sellers.

I haven't delved much in to the potion market as keeping myself and friends stocked is tough enough.

I was about to do some leveling up as I've only done a few so far for quest and stuff. With the change to potions coming is it better to level up now or post patch?

Vary Helpful--But Where do you get *[1 Hand-Bound Journal]. I found it in the beta testing and have yet to find it after the beta testing.

I've managed to pick up all the Shattered Pitchers and Broken Urns I need by camping at safe locations mentioned in this Guide, but I haven't yet found any Ancient Vases to start making progress on Tier 3. Can anyone recommend somewhere (presumably in the North Downs or Lone-Lands) where I can go solo and pick them up? Please describe the location with enough detail for me to be able to find it. I am a level 23 Minstrel and find these areas quite dangerous.

Originally Posted by ASinc

I've managed to pick up all the Shattered Pitchers and Broken Urns I need by camping at safe locations mentioned in this Guide, but I haven't yet found any Ancient Vases to start making progress on Tier 3. Can anyone recommend somewhere (presumably in the North Downs or Lone-Lands) where I can go solo and pick them up? Please describe the location with enough detail for me to be able to find it. I am a level 23 Minstrel and find these areas quite dangerous.

Well, in the Lone Lands there is Naerost (probably misspelled). It should have a flag on your map if you've done the quests in the area. It is pretty much due west of Ost Guruth and before Weathertop. It's populated by lvl 18-20 half-orcs so you shouldn't have too much of a problem as long as you avoid pulling crowds of them.

Originally Posted by ASinc

I've managed to pick up all the Shattered Pitchers and Broken Urns I need by camping at safe locations mentioned in this Guide, but I haven't yet found any Ancient Vases to start making progress on Tier 3. Can anyone recommend somewhere (presumably in the North Downs or Lone-Lands) where I can go solo and pick them up? Please describe the location with enough detail for me to be able to find it. I am a level 23 Minstrel and find these areas quite dangerous.

and keep in mind that just because you aren't seeing vases at places that are reported to spawn them doesn't mean they aren't spawning... but that some other scholar may be getting them before you.

if you want a pretty easy spawn place for vases in the North Downs, there's a ruin south of Esteldin...south of the Snares...but before you get to the swamp or the trolls. because its safe (I've never seen a creature spawn in it) it only spawns 1 vase. If you're coming south down the road from the Esteldin / Othrikar / Meliunen crossroad, when you start to see the swamp turn due east and you should see a ruin in the hillside.

Ost Cyrn and Naerost and Mithrenost in the Lone Lands all spawn vases too, but they have tarkrip orcs / half orcs / elite dwarves so they're not overly safe.

Originally Posted by Spirit07

What's the best way for scholars to make money?

I made a pretty good bit of money farming lower level scholar nodes ( Shattered Pitchers ) in a few places where all the mobs were grey to me. I would make potions with 1/3 of what I got and metalsmithing lore to vendor with the rest. For time + availability it's the best route since one scroll sells for 4s 20c and you can stack them in 10's ( ie one stack sells for 42s ). Since it just takes 3 Scraps of Text and 1 Early Third Age Relic, it's not that bad. Then I put all the extra Worn Tablet Fragments on the AH with a buyout for about half the lowest buyout and done.

I had about 3g give or take by the end of Open Beta but I also killed every one of the grey mobs around where I was farming and looted the stack items they drop. ( for instance if a dropped sword sells for 1s and the stackable drops sell for 88c, then a stack of the drops sell for 8s 80c for one inventory space vs 1s for one inventory space. Means I can spend longer looking for scholar nodes before my bags are full, the single item non-stacks just get destroyed unless it's something a member of my kinship can use )

There you have it, how I made a pretty fair amount of coin in relatively little time. Course you wouldn't be able to tell I had that much coin now... ( looks at his alt with cooking and more repair bills than the White House... )

Great guide, a couple of points tho:

Sienna and Yarrow Root are common (white), not rare (purple).
The Recipe Drop section is missing the Salve line of recipes.
Are you sure you've got your Tier 3 and Tier 5 node names correct? I seem to recall reading them being the other way around...

Originally Posted by Spirit07

What's the best way for scholars to make money?

I've seen 50 aged scrap text sale for as much as 2g, 750s at the AH