By what name does the Great East Road become once it reaches Mirkwood?
Bonus: What small town does it almost cross at the border of Mirkwood? (This was fabled to be at one time a previous settlement of Radagast the Brown.)
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Lon Daer / Vinyalonde? Your wording--both "oldest" and "first" along with "city" makes me think you may have been looking for something else though. Like the oldest Numenorean city surviving into the War of the Ring, for instance. Though in that case I can't do better than Umbar, or maybe Pelargir.
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Tharbad, whether it was a conqured eridorian town it was occupied by Numenor from SA750 through to the time of the great plague when its last dunedain inhabitants left for Arthedain, then it struggled on till the time of the longwinter and the great floods thereafter when it finally was abandoned (TA2912).
It would seem Tharbad was in existance when Aldarion constructed Vinyalonde but at any rate it survived that town and nearly made it into the fourth age.
Hmm references to the first date seem a bit unreliable on the net Eregion wasnt founded till SA750 at the same time Aldarion made his first voyage so if Galadrial and Aldarion met near Tharbad then I cant see it being earlier than this maybe as late as SA875 during the founding of Vinayalnde, I shall look it up again tonight in relation to Veantur, but it still beats Umbar SA2280 by a long shot.
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When Frodo, Merry and Pippin were first heading out of the Shire towards the ferry and going through the Marish, Pippin recognized the field of turnips they were along side (and trespassing on). Who's farm was this?
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When Frodo, Merry and Pippin were first heading out of the Shire towards the ferry and going through the Marish, Pippin recognized the field of turnips they were along side (and trespassing on). Who's farm was this?
Farmer Maggots, I believe. The same one Burglars get to steal mushrooms from in their level 15 quest
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This is sort of an unfair question, but what motive did Sauron originally have that led him to join Melkor?
HINT: It wasn't for power, at least at first. Also, I can't recall where I read this information. It might have been in the HoME series, or one of the letters of JRR Tolkien.
This is sort of an unfair question, but what motive did Sauron originally have that led him to join Melkor?
HINT: It wasn't for power, at least at first. Also, I can't recall where I read this information. It might have been in the HoME series, or one of the letters of JRR Tolkien.
Was it fear of Melkor? I believe Melkor forced him to join up...
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Celebrimbor of Hollin, he's also the vandal who carved his name on the West Gate of Moria
Speaking of the gate, why did the Dwarves let the Elves carve "The doors of Durin, Lord of Moria" on it instead of Khazad-dum ? Moria means "black-pit", a little insulting don't you think ?
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Speaking of the gate, why did the Dwarves let the Elves carve "The doors of Durin, Lord of Moria" on it instead of Khazad-dum ? Moria means "black-pit", a little insulting don't you think ?
Yeah, that's a good one. Could the dwarves read elvish, do you think? Perhaps Celebrimbor was having a little joke on Durin's folk?
Yeah, that's a good one. Could the dwarves read elvish, do you think? Perhaps Celebrimbor was having a little joke on Durin's folk?
Originally Posted by From TFOTR
`The words are in the elven-tongue of the West of Middle-earth in the Elder Days,' answered Gandalf. 'But they do not say anything of importance to us. They say only: _The Doors of Durin, Lord of Moria. Speak, friend, and enter_. And underneath small and faint is written: _I, Narvi, made them. Celebrimbor of Hollin drew these signs._'
Written in the elven tongue, not dwarvish....
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So perhaps Celebrimbor was chuckling in his sleeve?
I think you are pointing out an inconsistency in the professor's work.
On the one hand, I have read that the name "Moria" was used only after the dwarves were driven out by the Balrog.
On the other hand we see the words carved by Celebrimbor which imply that that name was used when Moria/Khazad Dum was thriving.
Also, the inscription on Balin's tombstone, reading: BALIN FUNDINUL UZBAD KHAZAD-DÛMU, or Balin son of Fundin Lord of Moria.
In the FOTR, it appears that the dwarvish "KHAZAD_DUMU" is translated as "Moria".
Khazâd, "Dwarves", their name for themselves.
dûm, "excavations, halls, mansions".
Originally Posted by Encyclopedia of Arda
The name 'Moria' is often used as a synonym for Khazad-dûm. This is not strictly correct - 'Moria' was not used of the ancient Dwarf-city until after it was deserted by the Dwarves themselves - but by the late Third Age the two names had come to be used interchangeably.
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1. Grey Mountains
2. Iron Hills
3. Gror
4. Thrain II who died in the dungeons of Dol Goldur after the last of the 7 dwarf Rings Of Power was taken from him.
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1. Grey Mountains
2. Iron Hills
3. Gror
4. Thrain II who died in the dungeons of Dol Goldur after the last of the 7 dwarf Rings Of Power was taken from him.
There you go, although I believe you have your brothers flipped around. Dain I of the Grey Mountains had three sons, of which Thror was the eldest and Gror was the youngest. Dain I and the middle son were slain by a cold drake defending the gates of their halls. Thus the answer to #3 is Thror, who departed the Grey Mountains with the majority of his people and returned to Erebor (which the Longbeards had initially occupied only briefly after fleeing Moria). Gror took the remainder of their folk and settled in the Iron Hills. His son (and thus the nephew of the "heir") was Nain, father of Dain II Ironfoot. Nain was slain by Azog at the Battle of Azanulbizar, which is the answer to #4.
One thing I found interesting when I came across all of that again the other night was how briefly the dwarves had actually occupied Erebor before the coming of Smaug - during the reign of Thrain I (having fled Moria), followed by a long hiatus (five kings at the Grey Mountains), and then for only a part of the reign of Thror.
1. After the Longbeards were driven out of Moria, where was their king's next permanent (more than one generation) settlement?
2. After the Longbeards were driven out of that place (this time by dragon's ire), where did their king settle next?
3. Who was the king's heir at the time they were driven out?
4. Who was that heir's nephew and how did he die?
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There you go, although I believe you have your brothers flipped around. Dain I of the Grey Mountains had three sons, of which Thror was the eldest and Gror was the youngest. Dain I and the middle son were slain by a cold drake defending the gates of their halls. Thus the answer to #3 is Thror, who departed the Grey Mountains with the majority of his people and returned to Erebor (which the Longbeards had initially occupied only briefly after fleeing Moria). Gror took the remainder of their folk and settled in the Iron Hills. His son (and thus the nephew of the "heir") was Nain, father of Dain II Ironfoot. Nain was slain by Azog at the Battle of Azanulbizar, which is the answer to #4.
One thing I found interesting when I came across all of that again the other night was how briefly the dwarves had actually occupied Erebor before the coming of Smaug - during the reign of Thrain I (having fled Moria), followed by a long hiatus (five kings at the Grey Mountains), and then for only a part of the reign of Thror.
Hmmm, I found different information.
Originally Posted by source 1
Eventually the wealth of the kingdom attracted the attention of Smaug who conquered the kingdom and drove out Thrór and the other surviving dwarves. The majority of the survivors migrated to the Iron Hills; however, King Thrór, his son Thráin II, and grandson Thorin Oakenshield along with a minority of their kith and kin who survived Smaug's conquest of Erebor removed to the Blue Hills and dwelt there.
Originally Posted by source 2
Thrór led some of the Dwarves back to Lonely Mountain, where he became King under the Mountain. While Grór continued west with the a great following of Durin's folk to the Iron Hills, where he founded his own realm.
Originally Posted by source 3
Grór was the youngest son of King Dáin I, and brother of Frór and Thrór, and father of Náin. When Thrór left the Grey Mountains to reclaim the Kingdom of Erebor, the majority of Durin's folk followed Grór to the Iron Hills, even though his brother remained king.
I think a case could be made (and you can make a check out to Boraxxe)
for
#3 being either Thror or Gror (they were both heirs)
#4 being either Nain (son of Gror) or Thrain II (son of Thror)
At any rate, thanks. This was fun (and confusing) to research.
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I think a case could be made (and you can make a check out to Boraxxe)
for
#3 being either Thror or Gror (they were both heirs)
#4 being either Nain (son of Gror) or Thrain II (son of Thror)
At any rate, thanks. This was fun (and confusing) to research.
I may very well have the facts wrong about which brother drew the majority of the clan. I will have to check my big red book when I get home.
I apologize for the lack of clarity about the "heir." I meant "eldest son and next king." If you were thinking of both Thror and Gror as heirs then your answers were of course correct.
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