Thread: New and Improved Legendary Item Guide

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Could someone please post the total number of "LI Improvement Points" that weapons and class items have at various levels and Ages?

For example:
I have a Stat Level 65 Second Age Greatsword at LI level 69 with 740 points.
I have a Stat Level 60 First Age Captain's Emblem at LI level 70 with 830 points.

I am looking for this information because a kinmate recently re-forge his Axe at LI level 70 and believes that the total number of available LI Improvement Points actually went down (back to its LI levl 60 amount).

Thanks!

I'll look as I get more of a chance to and get it put in.

My first post might as well help bump this very useful guide. Thank you for all this hard work.

Ugh.. question here... On this item:
·Legacy Upgrade Scroll: upgrades one legacy of player choice on a legendary item. There are two flavors of this scroll. One will upgrade a legacy on items up to level 60. One will upgrade a legacy on items up to level 65


Does this raise the legacy only one tier? The reason I ask is that I got an excellent lvl 65 third age with 80% awesome lagacies. Sadly, a few of them are tier 1 and tier 2. To get those up to tier 6 do I need one scroll? Or one per tier ? Meaning, 5 scrolls to go from tier 1 to tier 6? Or just one scroll?

Thanks for this thread. Awesome stuff.

Originally Posted by Zzyn

Does this raise the legacy only one tier? The reason I ask is that I got an excellent lvl 65 third age with 80% awesome lagacies. Sadly, a few of them are tier 1 and tier 2. To get those up to tier 6 do I need one scroll? Or one per tier ? Meaning, 5 scrolls to go from tier 1 to tier 6? Or just one scroll?

One scroll will raise one legacy of your choice by one tier.

In the weekend I used one, took Boulster Courage from tier 4 to tier 5.
The points invested in this legacy are refunded to you and you can respend them.

So we will need LOTS of scrolls.

My minstrel has book, dps weapon and healing weapon. Take an average of three legacies on each to level starting at around tier 3 (might be worse). That's 27 scrolls needed over three LI's, each scroll needing 1910 skirmish marks. About 51,000 marks, I'm getting between 250 to 300 marks per run. So you need to do somewhere around 170 to 200 skirmishes.

I can't even comprehend doing this all for alts.

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Thanks for the guide! I had a couple of questions about the replacement scrolls (which grant fate/will/vit etc):

Legacy Replacement Scroll: replaces a chosen legacy with the stat legacy listed on the scroll. Legendary points spent on the exchanged legacy are refunded. Only one legacy of any stat type is allowed on a legendary item. Again, two different flavors here. One set of these scrolls will do the replacement for level 60 items. The other set will do the replacement for level 65 items.

1) Lvl 65 scrolls - is the only way to get these to use 25 medallions with the barter at Emyn Lum? I was hoping to use skirmish marks if possible but can't find a barter for them.

2) Lvl 60 scrolls - where are these? I've checked the five barters in CG, the barters at Emyn Lum and the skirmish ledgendary barter but cannot find them. I'd like to put some fate onto a Moria LI.

Thanks in advance!

There was a change from the info I had (I think), and that there is only one type of replacement for stat and it works on all legendary items.

There is a quest that rewards it, but yea I have not seen them on the skirmish vendor either, so it looks like it would be just the DG tokens.

Giving a bump to a great guide:

Would give 2 updates:

1. (certain you know this but worth noting in a guide) Re: deconstruction. If you a level your class item only to level 1 (100 iexp) you increase the relics returned by a minimum of 3-fold. Level 1 items always get at least Three T1 relics and a good chance at a few t2, t3 or even t4

2. The Heritage Rune returned at decon increases every FIVE levels above 11 - not every ten. So correctly your list should be 11, 16, 21, 26 etc for increase tiers of heritage runes. at level 11 for instance you have a chance at runes from 5k to 15k (< lvl 60 items) but a level 16 decon will net you runes from 15k to 40k (rough numbers from memory)

Originally Posted by Pyroburn

Legendary Item Guide (Version 2.0)

Depending on if you have leveled up the weapon or not through combat helps determine what relics and how many you will get. Non leveled weapons and items will net you one tier 1 relic. Leveling a weapon to levels above 11 will net you a higher chance to receive higher tier relics.

Also when you deconstruct a leveled weapon (level 11 or higher), you will receive a token with between 20% and 75% of the experience you have earned with that weapon. It is returned to you in the form of a Heritage Rune that you can apply to any 1 item you choose. While not getting all of the experience you put into the item, it is a nice bonus to the deconstruction process of out leveled or non useful items. The higher the level of the weapon/item, the higher the chance to get a higher percentage back. Bonuses for returns apply at level 11, 21, 31, 41, and 50.

Originally Posted by Aarcher

Giving a bump to a great guide:

2. The Heritage Rune returned at decon increases every FIVE levels above 11 - not every ten. So correctly your list should be 11, 16, 21, 26 etc for increase tiers of heritage runes. at level 11 for instance you have a chance at runes from 5k to 15k (< lvl 60 items) but a level 16 decon will net you runes from 15k to 40k (rough numbers from memory)

Well, not really. I have still gotten 7500 rune at 16. I had a discussion with Hakai about this the first time around. He was pretty insistent that it was every 10 levels. I have not heard anything different from the system team about this either.

There was a discussion about this in the old guide and it really seemed like a matter of feeling then a matter of fact. I don't really want to play with it without confirmation from someone on the dev team on this one that it was actually changed.

Originally Posted by Pyroburn

Well, not really. I have still gotten 7500 rune at 16. I had a discussion with Hakai about this the first time around. He was pretty insistent that it was every 10 levels. I have not heard anything different from the system team about this either.

There was a discussion about this in the old guide and it really seemed like a matter of feeling then a matter of fact. I don't really want to play with it without confirmation from someone on the dev team on this one that it was actually changed.

Well its been my experience that the Level 61+ items are definitely returning a lower % of heritage rune exp - could that be what you were referring to? The lvl 60 and below items definitely see a bump in the heritage runes returned when deconning at lvl 16 vs lvl 11. Here is a chart from a kinmate:



Sample size may be small but the evidence is pretty undeniable. This is explained best by the following quote from a knowledgeable kinmate:

"after level 11, your heritage rune xp is calculated using 2 variables...
a random % range based on the level pool you are in, and
the total item xp at the time of decon.

the devs have stated that the pools tier at 11, 21, 31 and 41.
the level 16 decons are netting you the same % as the lvl 11, but you have more xp invested, so you get a larger rune at decon. of course, this xp is rounded to the nearest standard rune for stackability."


All of this information I am espousing however has only been tested on the <=60 items. I have no idea what the 61+ items charts/rules for heritage rune decon are yet.

Yea, I don't have nearly enough at the 61+ area to determine % returned. It's looking at somewhere between 15% and 40% though, but again I only have a small number to work with.

I wish I could get someone from the system team to be a bit more forthcoming with some info. I don't even care if the numbers are "soft", just give a ballpark at this point.

As far as %, it was always supposed to be based on the total amount on the item. I also know the system has issues with math to. At some points it returns < 20% of total IXP, which is supposed to be against the system rules (at least for level 60 or less).

Does anyone have any stats on what it costs to rank a legacy, depending on the tier? (I guess since some legacies cost more than others though, the answer would depend on the particular legacies.)

What I'm trying to figure out is how to save the most points - should I raise something from t1 to t2, or something else from t5 to t6, for example?

Nice info. Since I got my weapon last night, any bit helps.

Just curious tho. What does Westernesse, Ancient Dwarf or the other item do besides affect how it glows?

Originally Posted by Darlgon

Just curious tho. What does Westernesse, Ancient Dwarf or the other item do besides affect how it glows?

Some mobs are weak to certain damage types. I think the dead are weak to Westernesse, dragons are weak to Ancient Dwarf (and there's that area in Sarnur, where the mobs are immune to anything EXCEPT Ancient Dwarf).

I think there's a general consensus that Beleriand is the best damage-type. So I guess a lot of mobs must be weak to it.

nice job!

Here is my 2 cents:

You cannot seem to make a legacy cost LESS than 5 -36 (rank 1, rank 9). If it costs this at silver, and you upgrade it, you get nothing as far as I can tell. If anyone knows differently, say so!

A 5-36 legacy costs 144 points to max out.

At 65 you can max out (legit, not with empower bug abuse) about 3 legacies on a weapon, I think its the same for a class item. If you go to rank 8 instead, you can do 4. thats probably the maximized option (4 legs at rank 8) for most items.

Originally Posted by forusrname

nice job!

Here is my 2 cents:

You cannot seem to make a legacy cost LESS than 5 -36 (rank 1, rank 9). If it costs this at silver, and you upgrade it, you get nothing as far as I can tell. If anyone knows differently, say so!

A 5-36 legacy costs 144 points to max out.

At 65 you can max out (legit, not with empower bug abuse) about 3 legacies on a weapon, I think its the same for a class item. If you go to rank 8 instead, you can do 4. thats probably the maximized option (4 legs at rank 8) for most items.

There are some that are 4/32, 4/30. They are making some passes at legacy costs/tiers in the patch 1 to fix some of the non upgrade issues with them.

Is it true that the Legacy upgrade scroll can only be used once per legacy?

That is, if I get H&M at T2, I cannot rank it up to T6 using 4 upgrade scrolls?

Originally Posted by Vedryn

Could someone please post the total number of "LI Improvement Points" that weapons and class items have at various levels and Ages?

For example:
I have a Stat Level 65 Second Age Greatsword at LI level 69 with 740 points.
I have a Stat Level 60 First Age Captain's Emblem at LI level 70 with 830 points.

I am looking for this information because a kinmate recently re-forge his Axe at LI level 70 and believes that the total number of available LI Improvement Points actually went down (back to its LI levl 60 amount).

Thanks!

I remember seeing this somewhere. It would be nice to have in the guide.

Each LI gets a certain amount of points per level in 3 different tiers (Im guessing something like levels 1-20 / 21-40 / 41-60)

Weapons and class slots get a different number of points for those 3 tiers (weapons get more).

It also changes depending on the age ( 3rd, 2nd and 1st ). But I don't think it changes from stat level. (although it might differ between the < 60 / > 61 )

It should be a simple table to make up.

Tier cost points would also be nice to have, but as far as I know they differ per legacy/per tier, so that's a HUGE amount of information.

Bump and sticky this please!

Originally Posted by klyth

Is it true that the Legacy upgrade scroll can only be used once per legacy?

That is, if I get H&M at T2, I cannot rank it up to T6 using 4 upgrade scrolls?

You can use as many of the upgrade legacy scrolls as you choose... You can rank every legacy to t6 if you so choose.

Originally Posted by Pyroburn

You can use as many of the upgrade legacy scrolls as you choose... You can rank every legacy to t6 if you so choose.

Sweet. Thats what I thought.

I saw a thread elsewhere that contradicted that... I gotta find it now...

Great information here. This really should be stickied.

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Originally Posted by Pyroburn

Specifically, yes guardians are the only class to have these at the moment. Basically Overpower is now a forced 2h stance for all intents and purposes. Problem is a lot of 1h had Overpower legacies on them. To fix this problem, they can buy a scroll that will replace the Overpower legacy and replace it with a Pool A 1h legacy.

Only reason I included it is because as Turbine adjusts skills, they may add more later as needed for other classes.

Okay, which is which:

1. Legacy Replacement Scroll: replaces a chosen legacy with the stat legacy listed on the scroll. Legendary points spent on the exchanged legacy are refunded. Only one legacy of any stat type is allowed on a legendary item. Again, two different flavors here. One set of these scrolls will do the replacement for level 60 items. The other set will do the replacement for level 65 items.
2. Legacy Exchange Scrolls: can replace a chosen legacy with the stat legacy or skill legacy listed on the scroll. Example: Guardian overpower legacy exchange scrolls, available on Guardian trainers. Scrolls like this may allow multiple stat legacies, but never two of the same stat.

One if for guardians only, what is the other one about?

Edit: Updated from other thread, the replacement scroll will give you a +agility, +fate etc. Available at Emyn Lum? Don't remember seeing this, but will look tonight.

Originally Posted by aleczander

Okay, which is which:

1. Legacy Replacement Scroll: replaces a chosen legacy with the stat legacy listed on the scroll. Legendary points spent on the exchanged legacy are refunded. Only one legacy of any stat type is allowed on a legendary item. Again, two different flavors here. One set of these scrolls will do the replacement for level 60 items. The other set will do the replacement for level 65 items.

This is the Might/Vit/Will/Fate/Agi scrolls.

1. Legacy Exchange Scrolls: can replace a chosen legacy with the stat legacy or skill legacy listed on the scroll. Example: Guardian overpower legacy exchange scrolls, available on Guardian trainers. Scrolls like this may allow multiple stat legacies, but never two of the same stat.

One if for guardians only, what is the other one about?

Guardian only on these..

Edit: Updated from other thread, the replacement scroll will give you a +agility, +fate etc. Available at Emyn Lum? Don't remember seeing this, but will look tonight.

You can get regular ones for 61+ items in Emyn Lum (by the feather barter vendors), and lesser ones (up to level 60) in 21st Hall (by the heavy armour trainers [Champ/Guard/Cappy]).

Great guide, Pyroburn!

I'm hoping to impose with a newbie question. I've searched here and elsewhere but can't seem to find an answer.

My husband and I have been combining relics and seem to be running into a pattern on the type of abilities we're getting out of the combines.

Since we aren't in the 1000's of relics league yet, what we've been doing is combining the relics least appealling to us, to set aside the few that are at least useful even though low. So as a runekeeper I combine the relics that appeal more to melee/ranged classes.

The thing is it appears the result seems to be a higher tier relic that appeals to a ranged/melee class. And then combining those results yet again in a relic that appeals to melee/ranged classes.

Is there some pattern that amounts to if you start out at tier 1 feeding attributes like Block and Might into the combines it kicks out relic(s) that also appeal to melee classes?

If so can it be overcome by using a majority (say 3 of the 5) relics that appeal to your class type?

Sorry if this is stupid, perhaps my husband and I have just had bad luck but both of us seem to be getting nothing we can use from combining yet.

yay stickied! congrats Pyroburn! ^^

btw, does anyone know how many points you get to spend on legacies based on whether it's a 1st age, 2nd age or 3rd age? I thought I saw something about it before but can't find it atm. o_O

Originally Posted by Caitlyn

Great guide, Pyroburn!

I'm hoping to impose with a newbie question. I've searched here and elsewhere but can't seem to find an answer.

My husband and I have been combining relics and seem to be running into a pattern on the type of abilities we're getting out of the combines.

Since we aren't in the 1000's of relics league yet, what we've been doing is combining the relics least appealling to us, to set aside the few that are at least useful even though low. So as a runekeeper I combine the relics that appeal more to melee/ranged classes.

The thing is it appears the result seems to be a higher tier relic that appeals to a ranged/melee class. And then combining those results yet again in a relic that appeals to melee/ranged classes.

Is there some pattern that amounts to if you start out at tier 1 feeding attributes like Block and Might into the combines it kicks out relic(s) that also appeal to melee classes?

If so can it be overcome by using a majority (say 3 of the 5) relics that appeal to your class type?

Sorry if this is stupid, perhaps my husband and I have just had bad luck but both of us seem to be getting nothing we can use from combining yet.

I'm pretty sure the combines are completely random. Most likely you've just had bad luck or some sort of bias. Also, note that certain tiers have more ranged/melee relics than others.


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Relic combines are completely random :\

Haven't found a vendor who sells legacy replacement items for skirmish points only. Is there one or do they only take tokens? Thanks for any info.

Originally Posted by WindriderDave

Haven't found a vendor who sells legacy replacement items for skirmish points only. Is there one or do they only take tokens? Thanks for any info.

Currently, only the Moria Medallion vendor (lesser scrolls) and the DG Medallion vendor in Ost Galadh (normal) give them.

A much belated congrads Pyroburn!

Thanks again brother for doing this!

Originally Posted by Pyroburn

·Legacy Exchange Scrolls: can replace a chosen legacy with the stat legacy or skill legacy listed on the scroll. Example: Guardian overpower legacy exchange scrolls, available on Guardian trainers. Scrolls like this may allow multiple stat legacies, but never two of the same stat.

I know stat replacement ones are still in the game. Are skill replacement scrolls still available?

Originally Posted by Wizalot

I know stat replacement ones are still in the game. Are skill replacement scrolls still available?

At the current time, only guardians have skill replacement scrolls. These were to fix an issue where 1h weapons had OP legacies and 2h weapons had tanking legacies. They can only be obtained from the guardian trainer.

I don't know if I missed this here, but is it possible to get legacy replacement scrolls with skirmish marks? If so, who specifically do I buy then from? Thanks

Originally Posted by jowens01

I don't know if I missed this here, but is it possible to get legacy replacement scrolls with skirmish marks? If so, who specifically do I buy then from? Thanks

No, you get them from instance tokens. The lower one from moria instances gives a tier 2 stat (I think), and the level 65 one from DG tokens gives tier 4 (100% sure). The only difference appears to be the tier.