Thread: Highest Physical DPS class

what is the highest physical DPS class in LOTRO? Ive always played a tank in all the other MMOs but want to roll a high physical DPS class in LOTRO? I dont care for CC or utility but the highest single target DPS

If by physical dps you mean melee, then the champion is the class you are looking for...
You however are not looking in the right forum! lol! This is for instance and raid discussion.

well id think instance and raid forums would know the best answer since they are the ones that raid thus know about the highest DPS classes?

and by physical I wanted to include hunters too..and im mainly lookin for highest SINGLE TARGET DPS

Single target, physical damage would be hunter.

Originally Posted by KenR

Single target, physical damage would be hunter.

wrong.


champ by far.



hunters are ok solo, terrible in groups.





roll a champ

I know that RKs are not physical DPS, but... roll a runekeeper. Considering that they do about 30% more DPS in raids than a hunter without generating nearly as much threat, with lower power costs, and do about 20% more damage than a champion single target, it just doesn't make sense to roll anything but an RK for single-target DPS.

Getting a geared-out hunter or champion will get you a lot closer to the DPS of an RK, but you still aren't going to surpass them.

Originally Posted by The_Rohanic_Elf

I know that RKs are not physical DPS, but... roll a runekeeper. Considering that they do about 30% more DPS in raids than a hunter without generating nearly as much threat, with lower power costs, and do about 20% more damage than a champion single target, it just doesn't make sense to roll anything but an RK for single-target DPS.

Getting a geared-out hunter or champion will get you a lot closer to the DPS of an RK, but you still aren't going to surpass them.

actually wrong. champs can out dps rk's single target at higher ends of gear.

Originally Posted by Thurindras

actually wrong. champs can out dps rk's single target at higher ends of gear.

This is misleading to say the least. In long battles yes a champ can out DPS any class in game. However, considering 99% of the fights in games are short burst oriented fights, RK's and Hunters destroy Champion DPS.

Originally Posted by mnenoch

This is misleading to say the least. In long battles yes a champ can out DPS any class in game. However, considering 99% of the fights in games are short burst oriented fights, RK's and Hunters destroy Champion DPS.

The Turtle is one of the shortest boss fights in the game, and champions outparse RK's and Hunters in that fight.

Roll a champ.

Originally Posted by Hydraxy

The Turtle is one of the shortest boss fights in the game, and champions outparse RK's and Hunters in that fight.

Roll a champ.

I would also agree, champion or RK. Atm. Luckily, the RK is the flavor of the month and some champions have chosen to leave because they can't deal with the -30% incoming healing in fervor, so I would say go ahead and roll a champ.

Great ST DPS (if you have a good skill rotation) and highest DPS through AoE.

Originally Posted by Hydraxy

The Turtle is one of the shortest boss fights in the game, and champions outparse RK's and Hunters in that fight.

Roll a champ.

This is indeed true for the 10 or so boss fights out there that are extended stand up fights.

The other 99.999% of all combat Champs are out dps'd due to lack of burst.

So if your plan is to eventually just log in and run the same 3 instances then log off...well...Champ IS the best dps in those cases.

in the fights that are not the 10 or so boss fights you mention, there are multiple mobs. Multiple mobs = AoE, and AoE classes always deal more damage over all mobs than a single-target class does to a single mob. Guess which class is also the highest damage AoE class? If you said "Champion", a winner is you!

Originally Posted by Thane9

This is indeed true for the 10 or so boss fights out there that are extended stand up fights.

The other 99.999% of all combat Champs are out dps'd due to lack of burst.

So if your plan is to eventually just log in and run the same 3 instances then log off...well...Champ IS the best dps in those cases.

Fire Spec rks need about 20 sec to build up to max fire damage, even then you need a 40-50k+ mob otherwise he will be dead before it really starts to pay off. Champs even with a good third age will outclass any other class with a 1st age in terms of aoe damage. My champ w/ a good 3rd age certainly outclasses in aoe my much better geared rk, cpt or lm.

Champs certainly beat rks in terms of burst dps at the start of a fight, Battle frenzy then you can lay out some dps. RK needs to build up attunement and writs.

I'm not really seeing why fervour champs aren't the best in any instance. 6/3 man trash pulls their AoE makes them #1 dps. Raids their longterm ST dps is the best as shown by turtle parses. That ST dps should carry over for the most part to boss fights in 3/6 man instances.

Bottom line is if you don't want to gear up, but still do decent damage roll an rk.

If you want to gear up roll a champ.

You can read this back and forth bantering all day long.....

Roll a Champ is you want a heavy armour melee aoe DPS class

Roll A Hunter if you want a medium armour wearing ranged DPS single target nuking class

Roll an RK if you want a light armour wearing casting DPS class that can also trait to heal.

They all do good DPS.... this thread will just turn into a my class is better than yours fight... just roll whatever style suits your play and have fun with it.

Roll an LM...

*runs away

Originally Posted by C_Obscura

You can read this back and forth bantering all day long.....

Roll a Champ is you want a heavy armour melee aoe DPS class

Roll A Hunter if you want a medium armour wearing ranged DPS single target nuking class

Roll an RK if you want a light armour wearing casting DPS class that can also trait to heal.

They all do good DPS.... this thread will just turn into a my class is better than yours fight... just roll whatever style suits your play and have fun with it.

Yes, but there are certain threads with objective evidence pointing to champions or RKs for DPS, I will not go dig them up but I can point you to the hunter/champ/RK forums.

Originally Posted by C_Obscura

You can read this back and forth bantering all day long.....

Roll a Champ is you want a heavy armour melee aoe DPS class

Roll A Hunter if you want a medium armour wearing ranged DPS single target nuking class

Roll an RK if you want a light armour wearing casting DPS class that can also trait to heal.

They all do good DPS.... this thread will just turn into a my class is better than yours fight... just roll whatever style suits your play and have fun with it.

Finally, someone that posted some useful info.

(And, ironically, someone I'm arguing with in another thread. Kinda weird. )

They will balance it eventually. Roll a hunter.

Originally Posted by esdumby

They will balance it eventually. Roll a hunter.

I agree with you but I doubt Turbine does. Hunters can attack from range and do continuous DPS without running out of power (And burst higher than champions with NH/bowmaster strength). Highest range in the game and can CC. I highly doubt that Hunters will get a big damage buff (maybe a small one here or there). I would still say roll a champion. They are easier to play at first. If you aren't satisfied, try a hunter.

And what is with your existential signature (Fallion)?

WTB Annie in this thread ASAP....

... fairly positive she doesn't read the instances and raids forum though.

/EpicSad

Don't mess with my signature, and dont listen to the champions. They have been enjoying the most out of balance class in game for awhile now. Roll a hunter, turbine sees the need for change and have been working towards it. They will get it and it is best to have a hunter when they do.

Originally Posted by Thane9

This is indeed true for the 10 or so boss fights out there that are extended stand up fights.

The other 99.999% of all combat Champs are out dps'd due to lack of burst.

So if your plan is to eventually just log in and run the same 3 instances then log off...well...Champ IS the best dps in those cases.

One thing I have found is that the new CB can be used to give champs a bit of a burst. The parses I did in the LOS went from 345 to 396 when using CB. This is about a 15% increase, considerably lower than things like a hunter's Burn Hot, but it can last up to 3.5 minutes.

Originally Posted by esdumby

Don't mess with my signature, and dont listen to the champions. They have been enjoying the most out of balance class in game for awhile now. Roll a hunter, turbine sees the need for change and have been working towards it. They will get it and it is best to have a hunter when they do.

If you are looking for solo or small group, roll a hunter. If you are looking for raiding, choose a champ. Trust me. Ballad of War and Counter defense make a champ much better than a hunter.

Originally Posted by Hydraxy

The Turtle is one of the shortest boss fights in the game, and champions outparse RK's and Hunters in that fight.

Roll a champ.

I outdps champs in turtle if they are wielding a filikul spear of the first age

Originally Posted by KainXI

Roll an LM...

*runs away

LOL!!!

*HIPS away*

You should define whether you mean single target or AoE

I know I'm going to get flamed/argued at for this, but for single target I'd say guardian.

I have not done a good comparison of champion vs guardian vs hunter, but just based on a gut feeling of what I see regularly from people I play with, guardian does the best. I would really like to get some parses going from good players though.

For AoE, it's a toss up between Champion and Guardian. Seeing as most of the times that you need AoE are for very short intervals, Champion is probably better. Guardian AoE isn't bad though if you spec properly for it.

Of course, if neither class is properly specced or played, the champion will totally own the guardian's face.

Something to consider though is that guardian DPS is more power intensive than that of a champion. Or at least it seems that way from my LM's perspective. It's for sure due to the ICPR buff on champion stances.

Burglars can put out some nasty single target DPS as well. I'd like to get a bunch of decent players at their classes properly geared in the same raid and have them all parse their damage so we can get a true comparison instead of this subjective garbage

Originally Posted by Moop29

Misleading Post

Guardians burst better than any other physical class, however they cannot sustain because of their power usage. I suppose a guardian with the best traits/weapons/legacies could get the overpower cost pretty low but they'd still need a battery after a while. Champions sustain longer in raids than guards do. They are also far and above guardians at AoE. Guardians can't dual weild, don't have flurry, don't have raging blade/bladestorm/winds of the storm, don't have AoE traits. Simply put, they are gimped champions when it comes to AE. Burglars output less than Champs add a lot to a raid via traited (ofc) reveal weakness and traited (ofc as well) counter defense. In terms of raid (All buffs included from outside classes) dps atm in single target, I would rank it thusly: Champion (No ranged/tactical equivalent to 20% ballad of war and Counter defense), Guardian, Burglar (Adds much more to a raid than a OP spec Guard), RK, Hunter.

Originally Posted by cwswim03

Guardians burst better than any other physical class, however they cannot sustain because of their power usage..

Originally Posted by Moop29

Something to consider though is that guardian DPS is more power intensive than that of a champion.

Misleading how again..?

Originally Posted by Moop29

Misleading how again..?

I think about the thing where you said

Originally Posted by Moop29

For AoE, it's a toss up between Champion and Guardian.

and

Originally Posted by Moop29

I know I'm going to get flamed/argued at for this, but for single target I'd say guardian.

Something to consider though is that guardian DPS is more power intensive than that of a champion. Or at least it seems that way from my LM's perspective. It's for sure due to the ICPR buff on champion stances.

Well yeah of course, and the fact that overpower increases power cost lol

Burglars can put out some nasty single target DPS as well. I'd like to get a bunch of decent players at their classes properly geared in the same raid and have them all parse their damage so we can get a true comparison instead of this subjective garbage

I specifically mentioned, in my post, objective and tested evidence, and pointed whoever to the hunter/champ/RK forums, as that's where parses and such are found.

And yes burgs can put out nasty ST DPS. But they're more restricted as their jobs are not solely DPS in the least.

I'm surprised this thread hasn't been moved yet.

If you want really big numbers, roll an RK. You'll get to 60 fast too. They die very quickly if targeted by multiple mobs however.

If you want to be a survivable DPS class that can take lots of damage and still take down multiple mobs at once, the champion is for you.

The hunter's future is uncertain. Most of the ones I know are currently not playing them much. Personally I find the induction times too boring for the amount of damage you get in return. RKs get bigger hits with less induction time, and champions don't have any inductions at all.

You say you don't care about utilities or CC, but all the classes have them. Champion is probably the most straightforward class; you'll just be required to do interruptions.

I am suprised, not one mention of the captain (**that I saw, maybe I missed something)? I certainly don't claim to know as much about all classes as everyone else on the forums, but I do a LOT of damage w/ my 60 cap? Can you all give some specific examples of what you consider "good/high DPS" to be (per class), and what kinds of tricks, buffs, etc. you have to have to achieve those numbers? Maybe I am off (like I say, I know I am not the most knowledgable person on the forums by far) but when I am often hitting for 1500+ with my cap, that seems good to me? Am I way off?

Originally Posted by Blangadanger

The hunter's future is uncertain. Most of the ones I know are currently not playing them much. Personally I find the induction times too boring for the amount of damage you get in return.

All I can say is HA!

Not to sound too much like the PvP forums, but maybe the reason that most you know arent playing them anymore is they were the EZ mode hunters that realized they couldn't play the class like it was designed after we got nerfed.

I play all these classes.... and the hunter still does the most single target DPS than any other over time... IF you know how to use your skill rotations and you have a decent bow. Sure, the RK gets some big crits, but when you look at maintaining power and dmg done over those times w/o supplemental incoming power, the Hunter beats all... and I have a feelign we'll be seeing some improvements in the future.

Originally Posted by C_Obscura

All I can say is HA!

To you too. +20% from ballad of war and the criticals from counter defense make the champion a much better choice (+ the whole uber icpr thing).

Originally Posted by cwswim03

To you too. +20% from ballad of war and the criticals from counter defense make the champion a much better choice (+ the whole uber icpr thing).

Not saying HA re: RK dps... saying HA because all your ez-mode hunter friends stopped playing because the nerf was too much for them...

And when I talk DPS, I'm talking solo, stand-alone dps. I know how much DPS a champ can do..... give them heals, buffs and debuff the target... sure... they'll out-dps most anything... but that's not what the thread is about... the OP asked what was the single-target highest DPS... and hunter will out DPS a champ single target every time.

Originally Posted by C_Obscura

the OP asked what was the single-target highest DPS... and hunter will out DPS a champ single target every time.

Yes, and i responded quite accurately, where you did not. A hunter will not out dps a champ if its inductions are getting broken (I.E something that attacks you quickly). Unless you have needful haste (and maybe resolute aim), your dps will be hindered, where a champ's will not. The only advantage you have is attacking from range. Until hunters are buffed, they will still be second to champions.

Originally Posted by C_Obscura

And when I talk DPS, I'm talking solo, stand-alone dps.

When you are solo, you're very often doing multi mob pulls... here are the situations where a champion will out DPS a hunter:

Anything with multiple mobs.
Anything where power becomes an issue.
Anything where you're fully buffed and the single mob is fully debuffed.
Anywhere where the hunter has aggro.

Here is where a hunter will out DPS a champion:
Anything where there is constant target switching to targets that can easily be reached by ranged damage, but that cannot be reached as easily by melee damage due to distance apart of damage taken if there.

The only fight I can think of where a hunter will out DPS a champion is in the Blind one. Everywhere else, a champion does either better AoE DPS than a hunter by far, or equivalent or better ST DPS.

Originally Posted by Hydraxy

When you are solo, you're very often doing multi mob pulls... here are the situations where a champion will out DPS a hunter:

Anything with multiple mobs.
Anything where power becomes an issue.
Anything where you're fully buffed and the single mob is fully debuffed.
Anywhere where the hunter has aggro.

Here is where a hunter will out DPS a champion:
Anything where there is constant target switching to targets that can easily be reached by ranged damage, but that cannot be reached as easily by melee damage due to distance apart of damage taken if there.

The only fight I can think of where a hunter will out DPS a champion is in the Blind one. Everywhere else, a champion does either better AoE DPS than a hunter by far, or equivalent or better ST DPS.

Well spoke.

Originally Posted by Aggronaught

I dont care for CC or utility but the highest single target DPS

From the OP....

Toss in variables and things change.

You want to test it.... try this. Fellow with a guardian and a healer. Have guardian spam a high morale single target (since that was the OP's question) taunts to keep aggro.... no DPS skills from guard, no buffs from healer. Introduce champ dps. Now do the same thing, but with a hunter. Which class will DPS targeted mob faster?

Now try this. Champ solo.... aggro single mob from 30m. dps it down.
Now with a hunter.... a decent hunter will have the single target down before it even reached them. And as far as power issues.... I don;t know about everyone, but I can run strength for extended periods of time without ever having any issues.

I love playing my champ... I think it's one of the more enjoyable classes to play... but instead of tossing in multiple variables that will make a champ do more DPS, keep it simple and tell it like it is. If a hunter chooses to, they can make an initial HS pull of a mob exceeding well over 4k (yeah, it has a cd, we know) .... followed by a swift shot that can hit for 2.5k easily... in addition to slowing the target... fearing the target to get separation, rooting the target to hold it in place, DS to stun the target.... I'm not sure how this can be argued. A hunter can solo 20k mobs without ever being touched.... thats kinda of hard to beat.

Originally Posted by C_Obscura

From the OP....

Toss in variables and things change.

So, he wants a champ. Period. *Rolls eyes.

Originally Posted by Beornyn

but when I am often hitting for 1500+ with my cap, that seems good to me? Am I way off?

Often?

I play both captain and a burg and I have parsed near where some champs get (top geared champs of course beat me) on my burg - and I get nowhere near my burg with LtC and a 59 2nd age halberd with BoE damage and DB crit.

My burg does have nice tools and a nice weapon, but I assume when we theorize we use the assumption that the toons are geared up.

Oh, and my burg doesn't have watcher/DN stuff like my captain does. He has 4 pieces of radiance - shoulders included lol.