Thread: Offical Creep War-Tab thread.

Before I started leading raids in book 13 to moria

I believe I got to 1.982 rating before I died.


the aftermath....

And the spider I haven't played in forever

Originally Posted by Orlandu

the aftermath....

I wonder what I was LOLing about....

Why has no one posted in this thread in a long while?
Lets see the war tabs ppl.

Defilers FTW.

You're rank 10 but haven't got harvester? But almost same kills and 150k more inf =D

I led alot of raids. (esp as a secondary target assist for Edel; see above) Not until Moria have I gone solely to small grouping/soloing.

Also I am not concerned with KBs because they do not further improve my renown/infamy gain.

Originally Posted by bambam21

14k kbs.... I r jealous!

Originally Posted by dagorlad91806

Afro...do not tell me you are rank 11 and you do not have Good Isen.

I guess I should post my Harvestor pic aswell then Though I almost regret not wearing my LM foe title, I love it.



Looks like Evil got in less infamy then me, oh well I think I have almost half the kills though.

You might also notice my hatchlings are up to 262 KB's lol I hate them

-Morrdan/Weaver/Pre

Originally Posted by bambam21

That's a sick infamy/killing blow ratio. I've been experimenting with my warg and I'm currently sitting at a 77.5 ratio, can't be bothered keeping it up though. I think I might try my luck on a reaver. ^^

Originally Posted by Kisra

That's a sick infamy/killing blow ratio. I've been experimenting with my warg and I'm currently sitting at a 77.5 ratio, can't be bothered keeping it up though. I think I might try my luck on a reaver. ^^

What information can you get from an infamy to KB ratio? If you have more infamy per KB that could because you got more solo kills. And if you had very little infamy to KB's you could say thats because almost all your infamy comes from KB's...

I dunno, it doesnt make much sense as a measurement to me.

Kills to KB ratio is probably better. My reaver has a 2.9 Kill:Kb ratio but my spider is just over 5, because when I group I focus on CC.

-Morrdan/Weaver/Pre

Originally Posted by dfmarketfresh117

Afro...do not tell me you are rank 11 and you do not have Good Isen.

Good Isen is a myth

Good Isen is a requirement to join my raids.

Originally Posted by BrotherGab

Good Isen is a requirement to join my raids.

I hope Halrion kicks your ***

He probably will. I'm still incredibly rusty after a 3 month break. Hell, a warden got me to 900.

Originally Posted by BrotherGab

He probably will. I'm still incredibly rusty after a 3 month break. Hell, a warden got me to 900.

Haha, yea , all in good humor. Hope you two have some great fights.

Originally Posted by BIZL

What information can you get from an infamy to KB ratio? If you have more infamy per KB that could because you got more solo kills. And if you had very little infamy to KB's you could say thats because almost all your infamy comes from KB's...

I dunno, it doesnt make much sense as a measurement to me.

Kills to KB ratio is probably better. My reaver has a 2.9 Kill:Kb ratio but my spider is just over 5, because when I group I focus on CC.

-Morrdan/Weaver/Pre

Yeah k/kb makes sense and so does inf/k. Inf/kb does not really ...seem to make any sense.

Originally Posted by BLoNdiE

Yeah k/kb makes sense and so does inf/k. Inf/kb does not really ...seem to make any sense.

yeah infamy/kill is another good one. I know your E warg has a crazy ratio for that.

-Morrdan/Weaver/Pre

Originally Posted by BIZL

You might also notice my hatchlings are up to 262 KB's lol I hate them

-Morrdan/Weaver/Pre

Whenever my hatchlings kb, it counts towards the deed log. I'd probably still be 500 away from Harvester if it was otherwise

Only 9990 to Slayer of Light woo!

Originally Posted by BIZL

What information can you get from an infamy to KB ratio?

What information can you get from the categories you listed? Inf/KB shows that an individual makes an effort to claim killing blows, Inf/Kills shows how much of a soloist you are, etc.
None of this information is worthwhile, it tell us nothing about how skillful a player is, all it hints at is a particular play style.

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Originally Posted by BrotherGab

Whenever my hatchlings kb, it counts towards the deed log. I'd probably still be 500 away from Harvester if it was otherwise

Only 9990 to Slayer of Light woo!

well technically it looks like your hatchlings have 132 (by the screeny)

slayer of light + 3010 - War tab = Hatchling KB's

Originally Posted by Kisra

What information can you get from the categories you listed? Inf/KB shows that an individual makes an effort to claim killing blows, Inf/Kills shows how much of a soloist you are, etc.
None of this information is worthwhile, it tell us nothing about how skillful a player is, all it hints at is a particular play style.

You still didnt answer what inf/KB means.....

It's impossible to prove "skill" with any numbers, both categories I listed at least prove something, what does inf/KB prove?

- Morrdan/Weaver/Pre

Originally Posted by BIZL

You still didnt answer what inf/KB means.....

It's impossible to prove "skill" with any numbers, both categories I listed at least prove something, what does inf/KB prove?

- Morrdan/Weaver/Pre

You proved nothing, all you did was show what conclusions might be drawn from certain stats. I'm sure there are Blackarrows out there with fantastic inf/kill ratios, what facts can be ascertained from that? Blackarrows are great at hoarding infamy. So, once again; the stats you have chosen to focus upon prove nothing.

You said:

Originally Posted by BIZL

If you have more infamy per KB that could because you got more solo kills.

And I replied with:

Originally Posted by Kisra

Inf/KB shows that an individual makes an effort to claim killing blows

Both of the above statements are very basic conclusions which attempt to explain what certain stats mean, so I'm rather baffled by why "proof" is required and even more baffled by why you haven't presented any yourself.

Originally Posted by Kisra

Inf/KB shows that an individual makes an effort to claim killing blows

How in the world does it mean that? Technically you want inf/kb as low as possible since that means you have a lot of kbs for very low infamy. (which could just mean you are a ninja.) This once again means almost nothing.

Inf/kill can be at least understood. Pointing to playstyle is a type of information. If it is very low then the person is a raider. If it is very high then the person solos and 1v1s a lot.

K/kb makes sense since it shows how many kills you were at least actively part of. If (on a dps class) this is high then it means you leeched a lot of kills. I guess leeched is a bit harsh but still. If it is low then you are either a very good ninja or 1v1/solo constantly. Same as inf/kill.

You can draw your own opinions from that but at least these two show some kind of obvious playstyle choice.

Originally Posted by BLoNdiE

How in the world does it mean that?

How in the world doesn't it? If you sport a lot of killing blow titles for the amount of infamy you have it's pretty safe to assume you've made some effort to acquire KBs.

As for the rest of your post, I never claimed that inf/kb tells us more about someone than their inf/kills does. Your friend got on to the subject of what's "better" (which is totally subjective so let's not go there) and then made a bizarre request for "proof".

Originally Posted by Kisra

How in the world doesn't it? If you sport a lot of killing blow titles for the amount of infamy you have it's pretty safe to assume you've made some effort to acquire KBs.

well I did say:

Technically you want inf/kb as low as possible since that means you have a lot of kbs for very low infamy. (which could just mean you are a ninja.)

Which is what you seem to be saying. I just do not see that as a measure of anything tbh. Like you said in your original post, being a reaver helps with that a lot. In fact you can have horrible stats everywhere else and do nothing but DS low health targets (ds gives a big chunk of infamy anyway, at least usually) and have a great inf/kb. Not saying you are wrong in seeing it as it is. Just for me it holds very little meaning. I may just be misunderstanding the stat.

As for the rest of your post, I never claimed that inf/kb tells us more about someone than their inf/kills does. Your friend got on to the subject of what's "better" (which is totally subjective so let's not go there) and then made a bizarre request for "proof".

I never said you did, I was just posting my own thoughts and analogies. Proof was just a word that seemed to fit. I almost used it. Proving a certain playstyle is more accurate I guess, either way I used another word instead just to cause less confusion. He probably did not see it as a big deal.

Originally Posted by Kisra

How in the world doesn't it? If you sport a lot of killing blow titles for the amount of infamy you have it's pretty safe to assume you've made some effort to acquire KBs.

As for the rest of your post, I never claimed that inf/kb tells us more about someone than their inf/kills does. Your friend got on to the subject of what's "better" (which is totally subjective so let's not go there) and then made a bizarre request for "proof".

Try to understand why I dont think inf/KB makes sense.

I solo someone. I get 120 infamy and 1 KB

Some blackarrow ninja's a KB and gets 2 infamy and 1 KB.

In this case it looks like having a high infamy/KB ratio better.

But conversly I could play in a group all night get 4,000 infamy and only 5 KB's

That same BA plays all night and also gets 4,000 infamy but lands 60 KB's.

Well now the siutation is reversed and having a low infamy/KB is better.


At least in my examples they can only be interpreted one way, whatever your views on that playstyle are. Also I only used the word "proof" to say that it IMPOSSIBLE for any number to prove "skill" which was my response to your statement that my numbers didnt prove "skill". They dont prove skill, they suggest a playstyle, whereas your numbers dont really suggest anything at all (as you can see from my above example)

-Morrdan/Weaver/Pre

I agree that it will be really hard to quantify a "skilled' play vs. a non-skilled player.

There is a lot that goes into playing well in the moors besides just getting the stats that are revealed on the war tab, but besides that... any simple equation like infamy/xyz can clearly be distorted.

none of the stats: kb/kills, k/d, kills/infamy reflect any sort of "skill". It reflects more so how the player plays. Safe players will ultimately have a higher k/d ratio, while solo'ers (whether they are good or not) will have a higher infamy/kill ratio. Any leeching ba can obtain a good infamy/kill ratio or a good k/d ratio. I really don't see how those stats reflect skill at all simply how the palyer wants to play. The ba could be good and obtain those good stats or he could be an awful player and still acquire the stats.

I can think of countless excellent players whose war tabs are abysmal because they prefer to be in a raid/group. IMO wartabs are a portrayal of how you play, not how good you are.

Originally Posted by BLoNdiE

How in the world does it mean that? Technically you want inf/kb as low as possible since that means you have a lot of kbs for very low infamy. (which could just mean you are a ninja.) This once again means almost nothing.

Inf/kill can be at least understood. Pointing to playstyle is a type of information. If it is very low then the person is a raider. If it is very high then the person solos and 1v1s a lot.

K/kb makes sense since it shows how many kills you were at least actively part of. If (on a dps class) this is high then it means you leeched a lot of kills. I guess leeched is a bit harsh but still. If it is low then you are either a very good ninja or 1v1/solo constantly. Same as inf/kill.

You can draw your own opinions from that but at least these two show some kind of obvious playstyle choice.

He was actually right. I do play for kb's, not infamy. I would have a lot more but between book 12 and 14 I raided. There was usually 4-5 more reavers in the raid and we were all very good at making things die really quick. I also think stats don't really show if you're a good player or not. Too many variables. For one, I use to let my 10 year old, autistic brother play my reaver when I use to watch him. The only infamy I would get when he played is from the reflect damage while he was getting blown up. I also went from around a 35 k/d ratio to 20 when book 6 came out. Since then it has gone up about 1. If people saw how bad it was and just waited for book 7 then their k/d ratio would be higher. Does that make them a better player?? No

Originally Posted by bambam21

He was actually right. I do play for kb's, not infamy. I would have a lot more but between book 12 and 14 I raided. There was usually 4-5 more reavers in the raid and we were all very good at making things die really quick. I also think stats don't really show if you're a good player or not. Too many variables. For one, I use to let my 10 year old, autistic brother play my reaver when I use to watch him. The only infamy I would get when he played is from the reflect damage while he was getting blown up. I also went from around a 35 k/d ratio to 20 when book 6 came out. Since then it has gone up about 1. If people saw how bad it was and just waited for book 7 then their k/d ratio would be higher. Does that make them a better player?? No

Do not get me wrong. Stats do not make you a good player. I know people with horrible stats that I would give my life to save. I also know people that try and mimic these stats just to make themselves look good, while they could not tell their *** from their face in a fight.

People play for themselves in the end. What is fun for them is usually how they will play. I see no reason to criticize anyone for that. They pay for their games not me. Stats only support the playstyle you chose. (Whether the stats are for your own personal goals or to show off your ability to play a certain way)

Less ****ing arguing and more war-tabs!

Originally Posted by BrotherGab

As request of 2nd marshal Brodster, here is the creep War-Tab thread Post away!


now at 217k :P

WOW

20,000 kills and only 1600 KBs

WHAT A LEECH

Originally Posted by Kusa99

WOW

20,000 kills and only 1600 KBs

WHAT A LEECH

He's a spider, of course he'll have a lower kb count than that of a reaver/warg/BA. And along with that picture being a bit short of five months old, I don't see your war-tab on here... how do we not know you might have even less compared to his ratio?