Thread: The Black Blade Challenge
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Apr 07 2010 10:30 AM #121
Re: The Black Blade Challenge
Hmm, I guess I should point out that while Rusty isn't afraid to die, he isn't suicidal nor does he subject his raid to a suicide run.
I guess some players are more willing to let themselves be farmed than others.
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Apr 07 2010 11:02 AM #122
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Apr 07 2010 11:06 AM #123
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Apr 07 2010 12:44 PM #124
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Apr 07 2010 12:47 PM #125
Re: The Black Blade Challenge
Ahh I see how you sucked me in there!
Who exactly are you suppost to be fighting anyways? What point is there to prove against a bunch of freeps who have low ranked creeps? Rusty and DD run a good raid, there is no doubting that. They have pools of talent to choose from, and the highest ranked creeps on the server. Thats where the challenge is. The challenge is not against a bunch of inexperienced creeps who would probably get booted from the main raid. Are those the kind of people you want to prove your point to?
I feel like history is repeating itself all over again.
Quite honestly, I'm tired of leading freep raids (which is why I haven't in a while). Its a bit frustrating repeating yourself every single day, and unfortunately freeps don't have the turnaround or numbers to be booting people for not listening. Half of them are ****** geared, but thats nothing nobody but themselves can control.
No Kinship is a kin just to pvmp whereas Tribes were specifically introduced for that reason. Once your rank 9, and you have all your maps, 200k dp, stacks of delving stones, and 10g, there really isn't a reason to go around looking for action. You, him, them, the raid, or whatever doesn't have to do anything. All you have to do is sit at stab, or whatever rally point, and wait for someone to find something, then all you do is press the map button. Its simple, easy, and reliable. SoM made it simpler, easier, and even more reliable. If nobody can understand that then yes you are delusional!!!
If you'd like to prove your theory, I'll be more than willing to accept a 1v1 challenge against any of your freeps. If I can find 2 or 5 more creeps I'd even do a 3v3, or 6v6.
My reaver gained over 2.5k morale, double resistances, increased mitigations, and dps (both burst and static) with the flick of a switch. I hope you are GREAT at kiting, because I am.
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Apr 07 2010 12:50 PM #126
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Apr 07 2010 02:34 PM #127
Re: The Black Blade Challenge
Originally Posted by Piggy1973
And only one more time eh? Just one? Not another?
Thanks! I don't think I could have withstood another insult.
I'll leave it at that.
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Apr 07 2010 02:49 PM #128
Re: The Black Blade Challenge

In the 'moors, if I'm tying to survive but you're killing me anyway, you're probably not an ally. Say NO! to killing me!
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Apr 07 2010 03:01 PM #129
Re: The Black Blade Challenge
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Blame the players.
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Apr 07 2010 03:05 PM #130
Re: The Black Blade Challenge

In the 'moors, if I'm tying to survive but you're killing me anyway, you're probably not an ally. Say NO! to killing me!
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Apr 07 2010 03:07 PM #131
Re: The Black Blade Challenge
Why does that look familiar? The reference escapes me atm...
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Apr 07 2010 03:08 PM #132
Re: The Black Blade Challenge

In the 'moors, if I'm tying to survive but you're killing me anyway, you're probably not an ally. Say NO! to killing me!
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Apr 07 2010 03:14 PM #133
Re: The Black Blade Challenge
Oh right him. Ty haha Figured that was it but wasn't sure.
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Apr 07 2010 03:31 PM #134
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Apr 07 2010 04:02 PM #135
Re: The Black Blade Challenge

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Apr 07 2010 04:03 PM #136
Re: The Black Blade Challenge

The Original Kin Collector!
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Officer, Fellowship Of Eriador
Member, Vinyara
Member, Lords of the West
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Apr 07 2010 04:18 PM #137
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Apr 07 2010 05:58 PM #138
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Apr 07 2010 06:31 PM #139
Re: The Black Blade Challenge
So i actually wasted time I read this thread from where it was re lived on about page 7. My question for everyone is ARE YOU SERIOUS!!!!????
All these stupid questions about why the BB won't do it and respect is a excuse. If you believe that then please just step back and read from page 7 on when this thread was brought back up.
Shall we review??
1) Lugi brings up a dead thread and while I believe him that his intentions were not bad it is plain and simple a bash on the BB.
2) A few BB members come in to defend there tribe and are bashed and in return they bash back.
3) Faja comes in and laughs at Rusty and pretty much pisses on the BB saying they are not that good and then bashes on Rusty a little more.
4) Mauzak comes in and states his opinion.
5) Faja bashes Mauzak followed by Tsion telling him never to play his freep again.
**Some discussion about a sweet oven mitten to. can't forget that.
But honestly is everyone serious when they wonder why nobody respects anybody? Or why nobody wants to work with the other to even attempt to organize something? For those that don't get why you need to stop looking at the forums and actually read them.
It's honestly more mind boggling how much people wonder why they are ghanked, interupted 1 vs. 1's, rez camped, etc. NOBODY LIKES EACHOTHER!!! There is no respect for either side by any of the normal leaders.
Creep leaders: Rusty, DeathDealer, Butta (sometimes)
Freep Leaders: Faja, Tsion (depending), Ani (not lately)
Those are the normal raid leaders we see out there each day and THEY DON'T LIKE EACHOTHER!!!! Don't believe it? Have Ani or one of them come creepside and openly post they have a open raid. I guarentee there will be many logging over to there freeps. Probobly vice Versus as well.
As far as the rest of you. Honestly you don't matter. Why??? because you just follow the raid leaders. When Rusty, faja, Tsion, DD, Butta or Ani say they have to go half of you follow. Of course this is not pointed at everyone but if you pvp you see this happen every day. Nobody wants to lead so thel eader takes off and half the raid disbands.
You mindlessly follow the leader and without them your just lost. Half of you do not even have your own opinions. Raid leader says something and you just take it and run with it.
-Rusty turtles and always targets XXX player (yet you have never played creepside you just hear raid leader or someone say it so you run with it)
- Faja doesnt deserve his rank and he farmed his way there (yet you never played with him and have no clue who he is other then the past few weeks. but raid leader said so you mindlessly follow)
To many damn people just fall in line and follow what they hear instead of a mind of there own and doing there own thing.
Faja and Tsion are just 2 players on our server. Saturdays alone freeps usually get almost 2 raids. So your telling me you can't snag 12 people that do not include them? Instead of whining about them not respecting Faja or Tsion why don't you put them to the test? grab a different 12 and go fight them. See if they fight or make another excuse instead of just whining because they excluded 2 people. What's wrong you can't fight without Daddy being in your group? Would show alot more of some people if they just said fine ill fight you without those 2 and still kick your A**.
Im not saying this for freeps either. It's both sides with mindless sheep that just cannot function on there own. There has always been raiding in the Moors and it has been the biggest part of it obviously. maybe I am wrong but it just seems a big difference is there is just less people doing there own thing and more people playing "let me hold daddy's belt loop".
Jump off the bandwaggons people and quit leaning on 2-3 people to dictate whether you will have good pvp or not. Again this is not pointed at eveyone but if you pvp in the moors on a regular basis I know you all see this happen.
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Apr 07 2010 11:42 PM #140
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Apr 07 2010 11:43 PM #141
Re: The Black Blade Challenge
Dirtyblonde 65 Burg (Nimrodel) | Notblondie (Nimrodel) | Scratchs (Elendilmir)
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Blame the players.
Battlefield Heroes is really fun!
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Apr 07 2010 11:48 PM #142
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Apr 07 2010 11:53 PM #143
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Apr 08 2010 12:07 AM #144
Re: The Black Blade Challenge
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Blame the players.
Battlefield Heroes is really fun!
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Apr 08 2010 12:22 AM #145
Re: The Black Blade Challenge
I have a nice shinny dagger, if you care to slip and fall on it. A decent way to go. We can convince kabo that some might warrior finally finished you off, so that he doesn't feel slighted.

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Apr 08 2010 12:53 AM #146
Re: The Black Blade Challenge
Last edited by Kurtdg21; Apr 08 2010 at 02:43 AM.

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Apr 08 2010 03:43 AM #147
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Apr 08 2010 10:59 AM #148
Re: The Black Blade Challenge
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Apr 08 2010 11:47 AM #149
Re: The Black Blade Challenge
And herein lies the irony of your own statement. Quite a few Black Bladers aren't just slightly familiar with freepside, they actually have either high ranks or have well geared freeps, including myself. I actually play multiple alts and don't view balance in this game from say just a reaver and a minstrel. How's your warleader doing btw? I still see plenty of people saying mine is OP. You watched my 1v1's the other day right? I blew Get a grip, quitters(which got a 5k crit heal) and I still lost to a good player, but to someone with gear not far from mine own minstrel. My warleader has roughly 4 times the playtime of my minstrel. Ezmode? lol.Who exactly are you suppost to be fighting anyways? What point is there to prove against a bunch of freeps who have low ranked creeps? Rusty and DD run a good raid, there is no doubting that. They have pools of talent to choose from, and the highest ranked creeps on the server. Thats where the challenge is. The challenge is not against a bunch of inexperienced creeps who would probably get booted from the main raid. Are those the kind of people you want to prove your point to?
Uh, read my post again. I made that very statement. Creeps have it easier than ever, yet last year we did 12v12's and dominated. Are we OP? In some ways yes, but freeps are still in denial about their own strengths that creeps don't have.I feel like history is repeating itself all over again.
Quite honestly, I'm tired of leading freep raids (which is why I haven't in a while). Its a bit frustrating repeating yourself every single day, and unfortunately freeps don't have the turnaround or numbers to be booting people for not listening. Half of them are ****** geared, but thats nothing nobody but themselves can control.
No Kinship is a kin just to pvmp whereas Tribes were specifically introduced for that reason. Once your rank 9, and you have all your maps, 200k dp, stacks of delving stones, and 10g, there really isn't a reason to go around looking for action. You, him, them, the raid, or whatever doesn't have to do anything. All you have to do is sit at stab, or whatever rally point, and wait for someone to find something, then all you do is press the map button. Its simple, easy, and reliable. SoM made it simpler, easier, and even more reliable. If nobody can understand that then yes you are delusional!!!
It's been a long time since SoA when reavers were the weakest creep class. They are one of the best now, particularly solo. Has the morale of a warleader, has debuffs, snares, cc removal, cc immunity, and higher dps than champs and even some hunters. My warleader? Higher mits, can heal himself if you don't hit me or have anyway of interrupting me(that would be a grand total of zero freep classes), lower dps than a minstrel out of warspeech, and no cc at all. Go back to thinking everyone creepside is running their reaver because they are ezmode. I know what mine can do and I'm not playing him right now because of it.If you'd like to prove your theory, I'll be more than willing to accept a 1v1 challenge against any of your freeps. If I can find 2 or 5 more creeps I'd even do a 3v3, or 6v6.
My reaver gained over 2.5k morale, double resistances, increased mitigations, and dps (both burst and static) with the flick of a switch. I hope you are GREAT at kiting, because I am.
The ball is in your hand.
But I welcome any 6v6 or 12v12.
*edit*
Let me make something clear. I don't hold it against anyone for playing any particular class. Play what you like and go enjoy it. But if you want to start calling others out on ezmode, better check the mirror first.Last edited by Loth_Don; Apr 08 2010 at 11:50 AM.

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Apr 08 2010 11:48 AM #150
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Apr 08 2010 11:50 AM #151
Re: The Black Blade Challenge
Goth why do you even try?
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Apr 08 2010 11:52 AM #152
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Apr 08 2010 11:54 AM #153
Re: The Black Blade Challenge
Dirtyblonde 65 Burg (Nimrodel) | Notblondie (Nimrodel) | Scratchs (Elendilmir)
[OOC] ****** : 'except blondie, hes already GM smartass'
Blame the players.
Battlefield Heroes is really fun!
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Apr 08 2010 11:56 AM #154
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Apr 08 2010 11:59 AM #155
Re: The Black Blade Challenge
a) I wanted to quote this because of the sheer size.
b) I don't join raids where the leader does not take input from the raiders, so I often end up soloing.
c) Respect is good and all, people honestly don't because flaming and drama are more fun than actual lotro pvp.
d) I don't actually think anyone is at fault for the quality of pvp other than turbine, it's just fun to blame Rusty. speaking of which grats on the rank, awesome appearance.
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Apr 08 2010 12:10 PM #156
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Apr 08 2010 01:54 PM #157
Re: The Black Blade Challenge
Oh I'm well aware that there are many geared freeps in the BB. I used to be in the BB quite a while ago. I was even an officer back in the day. Even now I still know quite a bit of BB members.
Hows my wl doing? He's doing great! Sitting in grams I believe. Gathering dust until he's needed. Its hard to argue there is a shortage of warleaders running around the moors atm, and just as hard as it would be to argue that they are a good class for soloing...or 1v1's.
Yea I saw that fight. He asked me how I killed Khazard, so I told him. I explained what he would need to do if a warleader uses get a grip, and it worked. Thats the strat for a good minstrel to kill a warleader who burns get a grip. You turtle until you have power back.
People don't think warleaders are OP because how well there 1v1 play is because they aren't a strong class for that. They are however; very, very good in a group and raid setting. That is where you hear people talking about OP'd warleaders. Do I agree with it? Not necessarily, but I do have some concerns on a few certain skills that are no longer relevant considering how powerful creeps are now compared to where they were at the begining of the game.
Thats crazy your warleader has 4times the playtime of your minstrel. My min who just hit r9 has over 3 times the playtime compared to my reaver who has been rank 9 for months now.
I agree that freeps don't own up to there potential. Like I said, half of them don't even have decent gear. It would be equivalent to fighting blue rings creeps, and those type of freeps are out there everyday as well. As much as I would like to see a sizeable amount of good freeps out there, its probably not going to happen. Most of them play creep for one, and good Kinships don't spend there time out in the Moors.....chasing fairytale rewards
Originally Posted by Loth_Don

I always thought reavers were a strong class. Of coarse back in the early days of SoA, every creep class was poor considering there counterparts. By the end of SoA, i was soloing every class other than a man healing guardian. During MoM, it was the same thing. Reavers and Wargs were about the strongest solo classes. Now its SoM, and I actually feel bad. Hell I don't disagree that I have OP'd classes. When you have nearly every single available class, its kinda hard to not have at least one in there that people will think is OP.
Originally Posted by Loth_Don
Only 6v6 or 12v12? What happened to 1v1 or 3v3?
I'll see what creeps I can gather, and try to get ahold of ya within the week.
Originally Posted by Loth_Don
Do you see me playing my warg or reaver? Not hardly at all lately. Anyone who had knows me can attest to where I think they are at overall. Some people think I'm ezmode on my mini as well. Hell I mines will just be ezmode on any toon I play.
Thats the big misconception. Most creeps in general are easier to play. They have less buttons to press. They get significantly stronger with rank, and they generally have a numbers advantage.
The labeled 'ezmoders' are the ones who switch over to whichever side because it IS easier. I can't count on both hands how many people have done this. And, I will only smile when the pendulum swings back the other way.
Sure some people don't switch because of that. They may have friends, or are interested in playing monsterplay, or whatever other reasons they have. But, when your out there, grossly outnumbered, and you see those same people who have freeps that would rather zerg 2's and 3's at a time, it starts to make you think what they are really out there for. That is what a easymoder is.
And now its being pawned off as a respect issue. That is what you called being fed a line. I had run a few creep raids in SoM when the creeps had no leadership, and we wiped the floor with freeps many times. Now two months later, and people seem to forget everything that is more than a week old. I've made many contributions to both sides for as long as I can remember, and all a sudden now, its a respect issue.
Whatever though, if people want to hate me for whatever reason is fresh that day go ahead. I'll keep fighting and doing my thing. This is not directed at you goth. I know your a good guy, and a nice person.
I don't have any problems with most people. I actually like you goth. We've had many conversations in the past. This whole new stigma thats floating around is what is starting to get everyone pissed off, and thats why I feel like history is repeating itself.
wall of text ftw.
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Apr 08 2010 02:04 PM #158
Re: The Black Blade Challenge
Last edited by Coger_Dark; Apr 08 2010 at 02:06 PM.

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Apr 08 2010 02:06 PM #159
Re: The Black Blade Challenge
I still love ya Chief! btw, sorry about the spar last night, I didn't realize you weren't in WS. I think you owed me from all the d@mn kiting you did in the one before that though. ><
Not that I'm saying don't kite, if you tried to stand toe to toe with a reaver you'd get crushed. But I was chasing you for like 15s while you had only 900 morale left. Anthem of the wizards ftl.
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Apr 08 2010 02:19 PM #160
Re: The Black Blade Challenge
Sheesh man, get spreading that rep. My incompetence meter needs to increase

Yea I didnt' even realize it myself until nothing was firing off haha. Yea yea I know, wizards is a *****. I do feel somewhat dirty using it sometimes (I never used to, but were talking SoM reavers now), but when I'm at near half health by the end of charge, I'm starting to run outta options xD.
Originally Posted by ysnpwhite

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