Thread: Helpful Links & Threads STOP HERE FIRST -Sticky!

Welcome to the Warden Forum.
Here in the Warden forum we enjoy civil chatting and frown upon trolls. If you come here with a legitimate question or seek info a great deal of it is housed below in compilation of links.

A heads up to the forum noob, if your thread contains one of the following it has been Wardenized: derailed by page 2, contains cookys, mass quote, or other random forms of derailment. We call these Wadenisms, deal with it. (Missing R is intentional)

Below are some examples of epic fail/derailment threads. You were forewarned.
Completely Random Crazyness
Cooky Reference
"Turbine ripped out our Warden Hearts"; reference.

Send me a PM if you have any threads you would like added to the list.
Below I will try to edit this post with any big threads or links to any major posts of interest.

Helpful Wikis
Mastery Guide
http://lotro-wiki.com/index.php/Warden
http://lotro-wiki.com/index.php/Warden_Skills
http://lotro-wiki.com/index.php/Warden_Traits
http://lotro-wiki.com/index.php/Warden_Deeds

Fun Warden Community Threads - Check these out for some good convo/laughs/ideas
An Epic account of Warden
Bogbereth FTW!!
Woo! Warden ScreenShots
Warden Tshirts! Come get em...
A massive Pull Video, lil old, but still juicy *NEW* by request

Current Bug/changes list - 4.7.12
Consolidated Bug List *NEW*
Recklessness Bug? *NEW*
Cry out for possible changes *NEW*
Broken Conviction *NEW*
EoB is broken?...again? *NEW*

Gambit Lists and Comparisons
Amazing Break Down of GAMBITS *NEW*
Updated Gambit Graph *NEW*
Updated Gambit Overview *NEW*

Tanking, Gasp I know
THE MARCHWARDEN TANKING GUIDE!! READ IT!
Threat Management and ToTs

New Player Questions
Masteries, what are they and how to get them?
How to get Legendary Pages?
Don't want to tank?...
Another General Guide for New Players
Tips for Leveling the Great Waden

Tests

Stats and Traits
Updated Virtue Thread in Theory
Skill and Power Trait
Helpful Skirmish Traits *NEW*

Weapons and Legendarys
Legacy Guide for Starters
New ROI Relics

ROI
Orion Blog on Potency, WHAT IS IT!!

/bump. Agree this is a great reference for anyone old and new alike that wants some info. Thanks LtDiablo for pulling all this together for our community.

Keep this at the top til we get a sticky please.

Thank you I'll try to keep it updated with any new unanswered threads since theres a lot I still havent shifted through farther back in the pages.

Very nice! I'll do my prt for bumpage!

It was your idea to separate the two threads

Awesome! Great job on the list so far.

a few more items could be added from my post Warden gambit printables, warden class printables
http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.php?t=241829

two charts showing warden gambits

the first has the gambits by level

the second has the gambits needed for class deeds showing the amount needed total, and the daily limit if known then cross out the deeds as done...

http://jaq.guildlaunch.com/guild/lib...ardentable.pdf

http://jaq.guildlaunch.com/guild/lib...rden-deeds.pdf


the next two charts show the buyable level 45 class quest items for all classes, and the next has items each class has to loot themselves including wardens and r-k's

http://jaq.guildlaunch.com/guild/lib...lass-quest.pdf

http://jaq.guildlaunch.com/guild/lib...ntradeable.pdf

Gambits by effect and level:

http://jaq.guildlaunch.com/guild/lib...-by-effect.pdf

http://jaq.guildlaunch.com has more lotro references and printables


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These next items are not my work but about wardens

Council of Eriador'sThe Gambit Grid:
http://www.council-of-eriador.com/WardenGambits.html

!shmaiel's The Gambit Spreadsheet:
http://mkweb.bcgsc.ca/lotro/

(love the tree of gambits concept, but want to play Go on it

Faildir's Gambits by effect:
http://lorebook.lotro.com/wiki/Warde...rted_By_Effect

Dalthyn's Gambit Chart
http://www.bistromath.org/lotro/warden/gambits.pdf

Fallenacorn's Gambits by icon:
http://thefallenacorn.com/lotro/gambits.pdf
spreadsheet: http://www.editgrid.com/user/fallenacorn/Warden_Gambits

Strikefear's Level 28 gambit comparison sheet:
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?k...0qaKIq5CS9e0Ag

AmonaugTruehammer's level 55 Gambit comparison sheet
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?k...3KblxNzfttl-Mg
lvl 56 gambit compare http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?k...3KYUry2bIkSaRQ
lvl 57 gambit compare http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?k...3KYbVNuZjRd0Mw
lvl 60 Gambit Compare: http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?k...3KZcIJqeA4uhKA


Banaticus threat chart: http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a66...345/threat.png
Discussion thread: http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.php?t=239365

Burgzerg list of gambits
http://www.burgzerg.com/page/2009/01/11/gambits

Lotro Wiki Warden
http://lotro-wiki.com/index.php/Warden

From codemasters forum:
Saurfenion's quick sheet http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/2284/wardenv1ob1.png

Eriathor's Gambit Guide:
http://www.pixelbook.co.uk/upload/NbzaB7965.jpg

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edit-> I fixed the links

Originally Posted by LtDiablo

It was your idea to separate the two threads

Yeah but I was too lazy to do it. Kudos for not being as lazy as me.

*COUGHbumpCOUGH*

Is there a link up that that discusses which traits are the best for which thingy? I know we've covered it a few times...

EDIT - Here's a good one! http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.php?t=237156

Great idea! Another thread I like is the Tautology of Taunts: http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.php?t=239365

For some reason the links above for my comparison sheets doesn't work, here is a link that does with the added info

This is an updated sheet with the added comparisons of the AoE's. Be aware the damage listed will be spread out over many targets roughly equal to what's listed on the line with 1 target. So if for instance War-Cry says 787 for the 10(10) line then each of the 10 targets will receive about 85 damage which is listed under the DoT on line 10(1).

To explain the colors for the AoE lines, Orange indicates the single target max for each category (Direct Damage, Overall Damage, etc). Green indicates that it's less than the single target while red indicates it's higher than the single target. For example looking at total healing we see that for single target Restoration comes out on top with 333, Resolution doesn't beat that until 2 targets are in range with 358.6.

http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?k...3KZcIJqeA4uhKA

So the following conclusions can be made

Direct Damage
If below 50% Morale Dark Before the Dawn
+50% Morale Warden's Triumph
with 3+ targets Resolution comes out ahead but spread over multiple targets

Overall Damage
Mighty Blow for single target
Goad needs 6 targets
Fierce Resolve needs 5+ targets
Resolution needs 4+ targets
Exultation needs 2+ targets
Desolation needs 2+ targets

Healing
Restoration for single target
Fierce Resolve needs 3+ targets
Resolution needs 2+ targets
Exultation of Battle needs 2+ targets

Damage/Power ratio
Mighty Blow single target
Goad needs 5+ targets
War-Cry needs 8+ targets
Fierce Resolve needs 5+ targets
Resolution needs 5+ targets
Exultation of Battle needs 3+ targets
Desolation needs 2+ targets

Heal/Power ratio
Persevere for single target
Fierce Resolve needs 3+ targets
Resolution needs 3+ targets
Exultation of Battle needs 2+ targets

Best damage and power
1 target Mighty Blow
2-3 targets Desolation
4+ Exultaion of Battle

Best heal and power
1 target Resoration
2+ Exultation of Battle but that is pure HoT, if you need the morale NOW I'd go with Resolution especially with 3+ targets.

Originally Posted by AmonaugTruehammer

For some reason the links above for my comparison sheets doesn't work, here is a link that does with the added info

Didn't check your sheet yet, but from looking at your conclusions, I'd wager you left out Javelin of Deadly Force. It's one of our most damaging AOE skills and it's by far our most power efficient AOE. I'd recommend running the numbers and seeing if your numbers agree with mine.

Originally Posted by dbrowdy

Didn't check your sheet yet, but from looking at your conclusions, I'd wager you left out Javelin of Deadly Force. It's one of our most damaging AOE skills and it's by far our most power efficient AOE. I'd recommend running the numbers and seeing if your numbers agree with mine.

Wasn't comparing SKILLS, but GAMBITS. And I have to say the original sheet and comparison wasn't done by me but by StrikeFear, I simply expanded upon it.

Original thread
http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.php?t=242544

I don't know how useful this will be, but back in the day the Guardian forum had a thread proving that BPE was additive:

http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.php?t=104472

It'd be interesting to try something similar now with partial mitigation factored in. I might see about trying something in Excel with a few combat logs later on this week to get some data to start us off.

I forgot this site compresses links so when I copied and pasted my info from another thread they wouldnt work, but have edited and checked each link, they are working now

I agree, I'd really like to see this stickied.

Ghetto Sticky

Lol Ghetto Sticky? I wont question Tree I wont.... ok maybe I will &&&?

Originally Posted by LtDiablo

Lol Ghetto Sticky? I wont question Tree I wont.... ok maybe I will &&&?

Well...Since this thread isn't stickied, we have to keep bumping it to the top. If we keep it in the first few threads, its kinda like a sticky, but not really.


so....Ghetto Sticky

bump, bump

I was looking for a thread like this for Wardens...thanks.

Can we get this stickied?

Re-Added BurgZergs list under Gambit Lists and Comparisons

I was recently annoyed that we don't have anything "stickied" yet for Wardens. I mean c'mon, the RK's already have a couple. I was looking for one uber-resource like this and had trouble locating.

So...pardon my ignorance but how do we "make it so". Seems like I have seen dialog before on obtaining stickyhood. I never learned it because what I needed was already in that elite club. I'll vote, bribe the commish, call my local senator...whatever! Just tell me.

Your guess is as good as mine

/bump again, Sticky requested

Everyone PM Patience with a link to this thread and a request for sticky!

BUMP

Originally Posted by dbrowdy

Everyone PM Patience with a link to this thread and a request for sticky!

BUMP

Done

123456

Hmm let the PMs begin lol

I think that rule only applies to the OP meaning don't pad your post count and constantly bump your thread, just let it die. This is a community of Wardens bumping the thread to get it stickied. I don't want to speak for Patience, but the way I read that rule it doesn't apply here. Besides what will they do, ban every Person posting because they want a sticky? lol

Originally Posted by LtDiablo

Besides what will they do, ban every Person posting because they want a sticky? lol

Of course, what did you think they do when they're bored?

Originally Posted by jeedai

...don't bump.

Edit: And this

1 - Has anyone ever told you that you're absolutely no fun at all? I mean seriously, do you make citizen's arrests when you see people jay walking?

2 - She doesn't have to answer them, just sticky the flippin thread.

3 - We could always PM Clover and Sapience and the others while we're at it.

We should all PM with the Exact same Subject heading, that way it will look like one big giant sore thumb because yes her mailbox will be filled, but it will be filled with what all looks to be the same message lol






The hidden sticky


Helpful Wikis
http://lotro-wiki.com/index.php/Warden
http://lotro-wiki.com/index.php/Warden_Skills
http://lotro-wiki.com/index.php/Warden_Traits
http://lotro-wiki.com/index.php/Warden_Deeds

Book 7 Change Notes!
Here

Fun Warden Community Threads - Check these out for some good convo/laughs
Meet The Warden Community
Woo! Warden ScreenShots
What You Love About the Warden (Survey)
Warden Tshirts! Come get em...
What Class Was Your Main (Poll)

Warden Bug Threads/Dev Posts.
Warden Issues -Confirmed by Graalx2
Wall of Steel and Crits -Confirmed by Graalx2
Bug -Confirmed by Graalx2
Anyway To Increase Leeches? -Confirmed by Graalx2
Crit Strike Weapon Damage
Buggy Gambit Builder?
Animation Glitch
Attempt to Harm Yourself?
Auto Attack Javelin Bug -Confirmed by Graalx2

Gambit Lists and Comparisons
BurgZerg's Gambit list
Gambit Comparison
Simple Gambit Spreadsheet
Warden Gambit Graph v0.1

Roles & Usefulness
How To Use Wardens in Raids
Deft Strike?
Useful?
Wardens Are New But...
End Game Power vs. Other Classes
Additional Fellow Role:Corruptions
What We Wish Other Classes Knew!
Any Useless Gambits?
Wardens in Fellows...

New Player Questions
Class Quest lvl15
Class Quest lvl45
Ambush Stun Immune?
Way of the Warden?
New To LOTRO & Warden (General Advice)
Warden Frustrations
Stacking Heals
I Just Have So Many Questions!
Just Started Game and Warden
Nube Question #6
How To Get Grand Master Weapon Training
What Levels Are the Best
How To Use Locations
How To Move Gambit Bar
Operating Crit Strike
Warden Gripes
Do HoTs have Threat?
Who To Duo With
Cant Make a Warden?
How to Quickly Build Gambits

Tests
Warden Damage Numbers
Warden vs. Min DPS
Warden vs. Guard DPS
Weapon Speed and Bonus Damage

Stats and Traits
Skill and Power Trait *NEW*
Vitals Rank for Elf Wardens
Traits!
Warden Books
Tanking stats
Class Traits
Cloaks and Traits Traits discussed page 3-4
Page Drops??!!
Stats
More Stats...
Master of the... Traits
Defiant Challenge?

Weapons and Legendarys
Spear of Virtue vs Precise Blow
Warden LIs Based on ROLES
Threat Gen with LIs
Feedback:Warden Legacies
Legacy Information Project
Legacies
Javelin Toss Range Legacy
LI Legacies
Legendary Javelins:What Gives?
Legendary Javelins vs. Class Item Slot
Pervinca's Javelin (+1 Range Threat)
Javelin Toss Legacy
Good Legendaries for Different Classes - acredited to Z3r0mus

Updated the list. Added the multi-page Community Convo Threads to the TOP of the list.

We await stickage of threadage

Please apply the ACME® Industrial Strength Adhesive and Sticky this thread!!

Wow! Thank you very much for this informative collection!

We try and by we I mean me and dbrowdy, oh and maybe that tree guy jk <3 Wardens lol

/bump, still the best info for a warden to find. Great list...

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Originally Posted by LtDiablo

We try and by we I mean me and dbrowdy, oh and maybe that tree guy jk <3 Wardens lol

Wasn't me. No pictures, no proof!

Ghetto Sticky

Not bumping!!
*gives slight nudge*

Great info THANK YOU!!

Please sticky this thread!!
*offers up a sacrifice of cake,ale and pipeweed*