But Isten - wouldn't it be nice to have a house for each of your races? I would so love that. Please, please, Turbine - if you implement even 1/4th of this I would be very happy!!!!
I am truly sorry if anyone took this as a real announcement, but really, it is posted in the SUGGESTIONS FORUM. Besides that, the opening statements have enough barely hidden sarcasm about the current system that I didn't think anyone would even consider that Turbine would actually say those things. Finally, the link at the bottom to Agamemnon's thread - - should have been a big tip-off that this was a collection of ideas being suggested in the form of an announcement I would LIKE to see.
Yeah, I'm pretty irked too. I mean, kudos that the ideas are great ones and yes, it was posted in suggestions. However, since I came across this while searching for something else, I never noticed what forum it was posted in. There really should be a disclaimer and NEVER write something, even if as a farce, as if you're representing Turbine. "We". Dammit. And I really enjoyed your fishing details Adder. Please be more careful in the future. I had to send out a recant email to my guild since we were about to pull the trigger on a kinship house tonight.
But Isten - wouldn't it be nice to have a house for each of your races? I would so love that. Please, please, Turbine - if you implement even 1/4th of this I would be very happy!!!!
I agree completely, Eli. I'm in favor of exactly that. My elf can't even fit in the bed in my Shire house, and I'd love to buy him one in Falathorn, or even better, Imladris.
I was responding to the notion that if Turbine did so housing areas would be empty because a lot of the houses would be used by alts, which to mean is a non-issue. Sorry I wasn't very clear.
I too am in favor of the OP's suggestions. Besides, anything that makes you very happy must be a good thing!
I hate the one house per account rule. Its silly! Why should 5 women have to share a house? Why should my elves be forced to live with a hobbit? It would be much more immersive, a bigger time and money sink if we were allowed to have as many houses as characters.
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I hate the one house per account rule. Its silly! Why should 5 women have to share a house? Why should my elves be forced to live with a hobbit? It would be much more immersive, a bigger time and money sink if we were allowed to have as many houses as characters.
If you think about it though, much less immersive for others. We already have elves living in the shire and they wont change even if they could have a house for each character. Sure some people who go to the home for their race, but most would fill up areas so it would ebe easier to exchange goods. Most people would only have the money for one home, but those who had the money for more would reduce the population of maximum people online at one time.
That was extremely cool! I didn't realize it was farcical until the first reply, but it was great to feel SO impressed with Turbine for those ten minutes. That's the kind of caring and effort that builds and retains a player-base, imo. Are there any MMOs out there that actually put this much detail into working for their customers? Because this is the type of atmosphere I'd like to play in.
Thank you for your effort in assimilating and presenting this post. These are awesome ideas that would breathe life and add a depth and interactability to a World that I already love. Probably not all would be necessary, but I see absolutely no reason to not have at least public stables within housing areas. To actually be able to interact with items on tables, etc. would be superb--like Elder Scrolls only better because it's Middle-Earth. ...Or to be able to plan and develop your property. ...Facilitated and encouraged entrepreneurship from home.--Nice!
You have my vote, and I hope somebody with vision and drive at Turbine sees and implements even some of what you have suggested.
I've updated the OP under Purchasing a Home to include Neighborhood classifications where the 'Alternate Neighborhoods' that I described in my previous post can now be found.
It would be ridiculous of me to quote each response to say thank you, so here it is again... Thanks everyone!
Originally Posted by honoure
I hate the one house per account rule. Its silly! Why should 5 women have to share a house? Why should my elves be forced to live with a hobbit? It would be much more immersive, a bigger time and money sink if we were allowed to have as many houses as characters.
I totally agree.
Originally Posted by zachaol
If you think about it though, much less immersive for others. We already have elves living in the shire and they wont change even if they could have a house for each character. Sure some people who go to the home for their race, but most would fill up areas so it would ebe easier to exchange goods. Most people would only have the money for one home, but those who had the money for more would reduce the population of maximum people online at one time.
On the contrary Zachaol, by allowing more than one home per account, those extra homes would need furnishing and decorating. Thus, for those who actually had the money to buy two or more homes, they would play their alts to do the housing quests and craft/buy those items, and in the process, would end up adding many characters of different levels to the enviroment. In addition, if we were allowed to sell our homes as outlined, many of those races sharing other races' communities probably would take the small monetary hit to transfer to their racial community. Finally, if the housing were upgaded to the point where accounts were allowed more than one house with the rule set to offset ghost towns and 'walkin storage vault' homes, the player base itself would increase when word got out of the great job Turbine did with LOTRO Housing.
On the contrary Zachaol, by allowing more than one home per account, those extra homes would need furnishing and decorating. Thus, for those who actually had the money to buy two or more homes, they would play their alts to do the housing quests and craft/buy those items, and in the process, would end up adding many characters of different levels to the enviroment. In addition, if we were allowed to sell our homes as outlined, many of those races sharing other races' communities probably would take the small monetary hit to transfer to their racial community. Finally, if the housing were upgaded to the point where accounts were allowed more than one house with the rule set to offset ghost towns and 'walkin storage vault' homes, the player base itself would increase when word got out of the great job Turbine did with LOTRO Housing.
Maybe the people on these forums would go to their own racial neighboorhoods because the % of people here who love the lore is much higher than in-game. Many people in-game have never even read the lotr books.
You do realize the hearts that you are going to break when they realize this is a Dream Post right? My kinmate posted this thread on our kin web page with great excitement and now I have to go break their bubble... thanks heaps... a disclaimer would have been nice.
It should be posted everywhere and maybe the LOTRO game makers will be shamed into at least some improvements.
Many good ideas. I would probably take them a years to do all of it.
Man, I really love the Housing Redesign, and I was soooo hoping that this was really going to happen. I was already planning on the grind for the 15g mansion . Personally I think that the Housing is such a Unique thing about this game, and Turbine would be smart to take this thread seriously.
One thing I thought could be added tom enlarge house interiors without having to increase the external size would be to add (possibly a bought addition) a basesment to the house. Another floor of a similar area to the ground floor. An optional mesh to add the stairway down ...
But then our houses now are already nearly empty with the limited inflexible slots they give us.
Having a basement will only help if and when they ever expand/improve the house mechanism.
I just want my standard home to be an instance within the city walls of Bree and not be out in the 'burbs. Look! There's an identical building less than 50 paces from the Auctioneer Hall!
I would LOVE any *and* all of these ideas to be implemented! I was happy when housing debuted, but disappointed at the size of the homes. I was also disappointed in the amount of purchasable storage considering only on character on each account could own a home.
I was hoping my girls could own homes almost as big as what the kin halls are now, and that the kin halls would be even bigger than they currently are. (I have two accounts and two deluxe houses - across the street from each other, thankfully).
The stables for displaying/storing all the different horses (and the swift-travel possibilities - it would be nice to alleviate some of the the Bree-Town lag!), possible armour stands to display currently unused armour sets, more ways to decorate, it goes on and on.
I just want my standard home to be an instance within the city walls of Bree and not be out in the 'burbs. Look! There's an identical building less than 50 paces from the Auctioneer Hall!
What a cool addition to Adders idea list. Suburbia-be-damned. Wouldn't it be awesome to walk out of your house into the middle of Bree. Furthermore, what if there was a finite number of clustered homes in Bree, not in an instance. These would sell out in a heartbeat but if there were, say 50, it would be interestig to see how much they'd sell for. Sitting on a balcony near the fountain, watching people hustle-bustle by would be amusing.
I agree completely, Eli. I'm in favor of exactly that. My elf can't even fit in the bed in my Shire house, and I'd love to buy him one in Falathorn, or even better, Imladris.
I was responding to the notion that if Turbine did so housing areas would be empty because a lot of the houses would be used by alts, which to mean is a non-issue. Sorry I wasn't very clear.
I too am in favor of the OP's suggestions. Besides, anything that makes you very happy must be a good thing!
Thank you Isten - *sigh* if only the OP's suggestions would be taken seriously by Turbine. On another note and not to hijack the thread but I am without power thanks to remnants of Ike which hit my state Sunday. Have no idea when it will be restored and I will be back in Meneldor. Laters -
These would be great additions, especially if you could add the Superior versions at some point (or upgrade them, perhaps with a rare drop or something). Anything that would draw people to the Kin House to do things together would be great - excellent idea zachaol!
Originally Posted by Adder
I intentionally stayed away from having the ability to add Superior versions to any house because Turbine has stated numerous times they won't add crafting stations to homes due to the very real possibility of substantially decreasing traffic into the city areas where they are located, and I must to agree with them. That is why I included in my plan, a compromise where home stations could be used for some recipes from every tier, as well as a few new recipes that could only be made at home stations, but the main stations would still be needed for the bulk of the recipes. We get home crafting, and the cities don't become ghost towns. Everyone wins.
That does make sense - ghost towns (housing or elsewhere) are no good. However, if/when I do some crafting at the Superior Workbench in Thorin's, there aren't too many people around either. Granted, it's one reputation-limited room within the larger Hall area, and there are always people in there. Same goes for Superior Forge in the Rivendell reputation area - small room/area within a larger, more-populated town.
I understand and agree with your rebuttal, Adder. Normal benches/forges will provide a place for the monotonous ingot-making and hide-boiling, which is a large portion of day-to-day craft maintenance.
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That does make sense - ghost towns (housing or elsewhere) are no good. However, if/when I do some crafting at the Superior Workbench in Thorin's, there aren't too many people around either. Granted, it's one reputation-limited room within the larger Hall area, and there are always people in there. Same goes for Superior Forge in the Rivendell reputation area - small room/area within a larger, more-populated town.
I understand and agree with your rebuttal, Adder. Normal benches/forges will provide a place for the monotonous ingot-making and hide-boiling, which is a large portion of day-to-day craft maintenance.
Yea I would be happy with just the basics. Really so I could smelt my stuff thus reducing its size requirements then walking into my home and putting it into the truck for storage until needed.
You do realize the hearts that you are going to break when they realize this is a Dream Post right? My kinmate posted this thread on our kin web page with great excitement and now I have to go break their bubble... thanks heaps... a disclaimer would have been nice.
Wow...i mean wow!!! I thought this was a real post too, posted it on my kin forums. I'm dissapointed...not in the OP, but at Turbine for being completly upstaged by this. Not only did it have great suggestions for the housing system, but for crafting, "useless pipeweed", and other stuff. I really wanted to praise Turbine for this post..so sad its not true...the yreally need to read this!
I said this over in Agemenon's thread too... We need some rating votes on these two threads and they need to stay on the first page. (Shameless Bump. )
Well, my question is how did the op change the size of the letters and change the color and put them in bold.
I tried it several times and ended up with a bunch of code. I can do them separately but when I try to put it all together it almost looks like the Matrix.
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, totally worn out & proclaiming "WOW, what a ride!"
Civ II rules after all these years......
True instance housing is more or less a storage location and nothing more. Suppose their fear was it would take off to big and would lag the landscape like in Ultima Online. Although im not a big fan of housing in general if it makes a few folks i'd be happy as long as they made PvP radable instances!
I also thought of an improvement for Housing.
3 words:
KIN ONLY NEIGHBORHOODS
Kins are kind of useless in this game, havn't really seen 1 good kin with 1 set of good players unless its rather small. I prefer to play with the best from a variety of kins.
Kins are kind of useless in this game, havn't really seen 1 good kin with 1 set of good players unless its rather small. I prefer to play with the best from a variety of kins.
I have to disagree. Just about every guild I've been in over the last 10 years has had some really hilarious moments with people making wisecracks and jokes.
I cannot even begin to count the number of times in WoW, SWG, and LOTRO where I had a really fun time not doing anything ingame because I had so much fun in guild/kin chat.
It was in a word: fun.
So in a game that is pretty useful in my book.
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, totally worn out & proclaiming "WOW, what a ride!"
Civ II rules after all these years......
Well, my question is how did the op change the size of the letters and change the color and put them in bold.
I tried it several times and ended up with a bunch of code. I can do them separately but when I try to put it all together it almost looks like the Matrix.
Nymphonic, go to your User CP, Edit Options, then way down at the bottom in the Miscellanious Options - Message Editor Interface - chose the Enhanced Interface - Full WYSIWYG Editing. This will give you all of the options for doing what you see in my post.
Nymphonic, go to your User CP, Edit Options, then way down at the bottom in the Miscellanious Options - Message Editor Interface - chose the Enhanced Interface - Full WYSIWYG Editing. This will give you all of the options for doing what you see in my post.
Sir, you are a man among men, thank you
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, totally worn out & proclaiming "WOW, what a ride!"
Civ II rules after all these years......
You are quite welcome. And to hijack the thread for just one moment, CivII is the best of all of them. I play CivIII & IV too, but II always draws me back.
Thanks everyone for the comments and ratings. Very much appreciated. I've been working on a few other 'Announcement' threads, but I have a few additions for housing that I'm going to add in the next week or so, after I finish the others. Hopefully a few ideas from here and from Agememnon's thread will find their way into the game sometime in the future. We can always hope.
Brilliant, brilliant job Adder! It actually pains me to read it, because I would love if only the tiniest -fraction- of what you wrote down would suddenly come to pass. Usability, differentiation, promotion of actual neighborhoods... This has it all.
I would love to get turbines response on these ideas.
Look near the top of this page (the brown bar under "Post Reply") there should be a button to add your rating.
I get teary-eyed every time I come back and read this post LOL.
I think that implementing these suggestions would actually generate more excitement in-game than an expansion! It would be like an expansion in a way, because the neighborhoods would become a new environment for players.
Posted in some other housing topic, but was asked to look here, so I'll post this here too.
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Housing upgrades would be more than great. Right now, houses are nothing but coin sinks. Way too expensive for any, even standard, at level 15. Not usable for more toons than your character. The storage chests? Heck, just make more chests available in the bank vault. One house per account is worthless, no freedom. This is a role-playing game, right? Then why do five characters on one server have to share one house, and have absolutely zero options for individuality?
I've seen comparison to EQ2 housing. In EQ2, house are not houses in a neighborhood, they are rooms in an inn for the most part. Bigger ones are available but they are also just an instance in some building. You go to the door, pick whose room you want to enter, and go in. The lack of housing instancing in LOTRO makes for many problems in the asking of more rooms to be bought and other areas. Also, in EQ2, if you don't pay your rent, you lose NOTHING. The stuff is still in the room/house, you just can't enter the room until the rent is paid. Imagine, you quit the game for three years, resubscribe for a look-see, and all of your possessions are still safely in your room/house. I wish LOTRO was like that.
Hooks are the bane of the uselessness of housing in LOTRO. What good is a kin hall if there's a big room, a grand room per se, and you cannot put benches or chairs in the room in any sort of orderly fashion to make a meeting or gathering area, to hold kinship meetings in?
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My kinmate posted this thread on our kin web page with great excitement and now I have to go break their bubble... thanks heaps... a disclaimer would have been nice.
. Personally I think that the Housing is such a Unique thing about this game, and Turbine would be smart to take this thread seriously. 
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