Thread: Regarding Creep Transfers

Originally Posted by XavierVE1

Looks like Turbine is setting up a system that will encourage a ruination of good PvMP communities by letting troublemakers go from place to place because they've heard "good things" about a community.

Bad. Very bad.

Better to let people stay on their characters on the server where they're created and have them make that server's PvMP better rather than having everyone concentrate on one or two servers, causing server lag and general unplayability in the 'moors. I'd hate to see some servers have PvMP ghost-towns and others be too populated to play it well.

I would like to correct a possible assumption being made in this post. That the tribe that is talked about in this thread is a bunch of misfits trying to ruin another server -- absolutely not. IMHO it is a tribe of good people who have FINALLY given up on our server to grow up. it is the oldest and largest tribe on vilya for a reason -- good people.

Vilya is one of the least populated servers for reason, imho -- poor culture. So poor we even had an incident of a kin abusing the new clothing system with white hoodies that stood in the formation of a Swastika in the middle of Bree O.o So maybe the pattern of fault doesn't lie with us, maybe its way bigger than us and we were left with little to no choice but try to find a new home and we picked E! To bad it didn't work cause I bet you there would been some ton of fun to be had with some new blood But now we will never know

Peace,

Boo

PS. and btw the logic can be used for freeps as well. so the moving of bad blood chance is all the same creep or freep side... but anyway....

Originally Posted by RhinoRage

First of all click on that Arkenstone thread and start reading who caused the drama first. Yeah that is right YOU guys are causing drama because you feel threatened by our presence because you feel it will tip the balance. When we were on Arkenstone for 1 hour we did not cause any problems whatsoever and you guys asked us to leave we did. So tell me why is it you keep coming here saying we are the ones to blame and cause problems on your server when we respected your wish and moved on to a different server explain that to me?

You don't even know what happened on Elendilmir again you are generalizing everything and pointing fingers. First of all there were other people from different servers and tribes who went onto that server and started causing problems. It was a coincidence that we arrived at around the same time, so they saw new people and assumed our tribe was the people causing problems in OOC and their vent because of all the new names. There was no special treatment given to us. In that Elendilmir highlight you posted they were talking about Vapor who wasn't even in our tribe. Also read the post above where Turbine hung up on us and ignored our letters of complaint. We were never given special treatment if you think that is special treatment I don't know what to say. You guys saw green creeps on your server and saw that we knew our stuff and were good at it and that is the problem in your eyes it nothing to do with griefing . We were there for 1 hour and you make it seem we caused so much trouble.

As for Vilya that is a completely different story, let’s just say when you are always wining people take things personally and go way past the game to cause problems for us which it seems you yourself enjoy doing. This thread is about monster player transfer and not about our tribe. No one bashed you guys on your server click on those posts you quoted and read them first before you spew falsehoods.

I'd just like to say I think your tribe name is very witty.. and perhaps you should consider moving to Brandywine.. it's the real PVP server anyways *ducks from the drama darts about to fly*

Are the balancing issues going to be taken into consideration before transers are allowed? For example one server is totally dominated by creeps so more high ranked creeps want to go there, will they be denied or will that server just become a creep only server? This is actually already happening on a few servers where creeps leave their home server to come to another server to creep causing one side to be over populated with no chance of one side putting up a decent fight.

I'm sure there are other servers that are the opposite way but also if you allow creeps to transfer servers then a server that is hard to creep on will remain so, as high ranks transfer out. Leaving you with freep only servers.

Just curious.

Bleh, its already happening, who cares.

Originally Posted by sharky1511

Ok let's look at that. When you try to transfer it tells you it will go through as long as that server is accepting transfers. How hard would it be to list available servers which were ok to transfer to? Somebody must be keeping tabs on the pvp in this game and would know which servers are balanced, creep heavy, or freep heavy. If the map is dominantly blue, allow creep transfers to that server and if red allow freep transfers. (or something to that effect) I don't think the solution is this difficult. What is difficult is the bias towards a certain group of players. I'm not talking about game mechanics and being op'd. It's little things such as.....a creep can't even change his toon's name. If he/she is being griefed and wanted a "fresh start", it's not allowed because they play MP. It's $10 to change a name or $25 to transfer servers.....one sided of course

Fleshrender
Lendilrandir

I think players should be able to transfer their creeps but there should be restrictions. If the server is creep dominated then there should be severe restrictions on the number that can be transferred. If it is freep dominated then restrictions should be lifted. If it is fairly evenly matched then less severe restrictions.

A whole tribe transferring from one server to another could have a major impact on both. A single player transferring would have little impact.

Ranlock BA8

Originally Posted by jbarr123

So don't allow the transfers. Keep the PvMP as broken as it is right now and lets all just PvE like the game was ment to be. PvMP was a big after thought that someone should have said "No it's to late" and then the game would be great. As it stands we all play in a broken down hole in the croner of the world. Combine all the PvMP into one and instance it for the love of god that way there would always be someone to play. I mean you can't walt to the mores as it stands now anyway. who would even notice? other than you would have a balanced population on both sides(except for the last district) It would reduce server load and make the game more fun for all!

You are obviously not going to win the promotion to Chief Financial Officer since an attitude like that will lower your earnings potential by a good 20% or so. PvMP is a big industry and there are more player data than you have access to to prove that. PvMP is not an "afterthought" it is an undeniable sector of gaming that MUST be incorporated or stand to segregate a vast playerbase from the subscription pool.

My opinion on the matter is this: whether or not is was allowed or impossible - there should have been a clear, well thought out approach on how to deal with these issues before they arose so there could have been an enforceable, predictable procedure on how to deal with any creep transfers, accidental or otherwise.

It would be seen as fair in all ways to allow creep transfers the same as their freep counterparts. I also think that, as in the Vilya case, there should also be a "harassment clause" to allow more mature players to migrate to a more accomodating community at NO charge.

Originally Posted by seabass2003

Are the balancing issues going to be taken into consideration before transers are allowed? For example one server is totally dominated by creeps so more high ranked creeps want to go there, will they be denied or will that server just become a creep only server? This is actually already happening on a few servers where creeps leave their home server to come to another server to creep causing one side to be over populated with no chance of one side putting up a decent fight.

I'm sure there are other servers that are the opposite way but also if you allow creeps to transfer servers then a server that is hard to creep on will remain so, as high ranks transfer out. Leaving you with freep only servers.

Just curious.

Bleh, its already happening, who cares.

And why would they? they don't do that when Freep wants to move. What if freep wants to move, you go check what rank they are? Or their play time in moors?

I think turbine screwed this whole freep/creep thing when they didn't force a person to MOVE all chars (freep/creep) on Server A to Server B. And/Or option to put Freep/Creep on a new account/server (paying extra of course for new game)

Should be move it all or nothing, either on same account or a new one.

Originally Posted by Lilliandra

I would like to point out that Freep transfers generally do not have as big of an impact as Creep transfers, as Freeps are not limited to the Moors map. While *some* Freeps might play in the Moors 100% of their game time, many do normal PvE stuff as well. Transferred Creeps however LIVE in the Moors. If they are online, they are in the Moors. Therefore a Creep transfer is generally going to have a larger impact on the Moors population than a Freep transfer. You would hear the same concerns being discussed if a sizable kinship of dedicated PvMP Freeps decided to transfer to another server (unless that server was already severely lacking in Freeps).

On Elendilmir we have a reasonably good balance of Freeps/Creeps for the most part. Sure it shifts and changes with each book, but usually both sides can get some decent battles on a fairly regular basis. I have no issues with people transferring over, my only concern is that if the balance tips too far to one side or the other, then the fantastic PvMP environment we currently enjoy is going to disappear.

Good post and well put. I don't see how you can compare a Freep transfer to a creep transfer. Most Freep's transfer to play PvE with other Friends or for different time zone. Yes they MAY play in the Moors but its not there only playing experience. Creeps can ONLY play in the Moors. To allow a transfer of 20 experienced creeps that also play together would most certainly cause any balance of play on that server to change greatly. On my server if that happened the Freeps would simply stop going to the Moors and it would dry up. Who would it affect most? - the existing creeps on that server who put so much time and work into playing on that server.

Originally Posted by Barliman

Good post and well put. I don't see how you can compare a Freep transfer to a creep transfer. Most Freep's transfer to play PvE with other Friends or for different time zone. Yes they MAY play in the Moors but its not there only playing experience. Creeps can ONLY play in the Moors. To allow a transfer of 20 experienced creeps that also play together would most certainly cause any balance of play on that server to change greatly. On my server if that happened the Freeps would simply stop going to the Moors and it would dry up. Who would it affect most? - the existing creeps on that server who put so much time and work into playing on that server.

there were 5 of us who planned on transferring, not 20, not a whole tribe. I am sure ppl would be transferring out of the server as well as into it.

You can compare freep and creep transfers. If a freep transfers more than likely it will be with other friends/kin members (we had a pvp kin transfer to Nimrodel). So far I've only heared of single or small grp creep transfers, wouldnt call that a dooms day scenario. Grow up, accept change.

I personally had no problems with the creeps that transferred over to Elendilmir. I actually enjoyed getting their perspectives of our moors compared to thiers. Comparing notes was fun and informative. I am sorry that some of these transfers got stuck and caused the others to leave. That said, I do have to agree with Vyxe, a full extra raid plus in our moors is a problem our freeps are not prepared to deal with. Especially vet creeps, this is not a put down at all to those who transfered over. I found they were knowledgable and dammn efficient.

The idea was thrown out there before about having E creeps vs. Villya freeps, Villya creeps against Ark freeps, ect. In other words rotate the moors groups. This way it stays fresh. You can keep the cores of both sides, but the drama is lessened because every month you encounter someone new. I don't know how hard this would be to pull off, but it may be time to consider it. The OP suggested keeping scores throughout the LOTRO community. Earn points for keep takes, Kills/death ratios, ect. That would appeal to those who want some more competition.

I think, for the most part, Elendilmir creeps were very open and welcoming to the people who transfered, and that the transfers were respectful and genuinely wanted to fit in with as little friction as possible. Both side succeeded in this part, but the numbers were too high to adjust to this quickly.

Rancor

Originally Posted by Tinluen

I personally had no problems with the creeps that transferred over to Elendilmir. I actually enjoyed getting their perspectives of our moors compared to thiers. Comparing notes was fun and informative. I am sorry that some of these transfers got stuck and caused the others to leave. That said, I do have to agree with Vyxe, a full extra raid plus in our moors is a problem our freeps are not prepared to deal with. Especially vet creeps, this is not a put down at all to those who transfered over. I found they were knowledgable and dammn efficient.

The idea was thrown out there before about having E creeps vs. Villya freeps, Villya creeps against Ark freeps, ect. In other words rotate the moors groups. This way it stays fresh. You can keep the cores of both sides, but the drama is lessened because every month you encounter someone new. I don't know how hard this would be to pull off, but it may be time to consider it. The OP suggested keeping scores throughout the LOTRO community. Earn points for keep takes, Kills/death ratios, ect. That would appeal to those who want some more competition.

I think, for the most part, Elendilmir creeps were very open and welcoming to the people who transfered, and that the transfers were respectful and genuinely wanted to fit in with as little friction as possible. Both side succeeded in this part, but the numbers were too high to adjust to this quickly.

Rancor

I'll agree with a good portion of this post Rancor. I did go back to my freep right before the transfers happened because I felt the balance in the moors was already beginning to shift back in the creeps favor. With that said, the sudden influx of creeps really through the moors out of whack. We went from 50 creeps to 85-90 overnight which was an eye opener. Were we prepared? Hell no, but did we deal with it? Yes, with the help of Cincinnatus and Button we really gave you guys a push for your money if you ask me. The freeps, though outnumbered, were the agressers nearly the whole night as we pushed Lug over and over, yea we wiped but its not the point. We got kills, took the keep, then ultimately died. Everything just takes a bit of time in getting used to. Give it a month, and it'll be normal.

In reguards to the idea of rotating servers for creeps, Idk I feel there are ways that freeps can get the numbers to fight fairly. One option is for us to organize Kinship alliances that take turns in the nights they go to the moors to assist. Getting 12-18 well oiled freeps out there do make an enormous difference.

- Eomin

Freep or Creep, transfers should make you lose all your rank. That'd make sure people wouldn't be abusing the transfer system to go around trying to take advantage of PvMP communities on other servers and you certainly wouldn't see whole tribes trying to leave their server rather than make their server better.

Originally Posted by XavierVE1

Freep or Creep, transfers should make you lose all your rank. That'd make sure people wouldn't be abusing the transfer system to go around trying to take advantage of PvMP communities on other servers and you certainly wouldn't see whole tribes trying to leave their server rather than make their server better.

lol whats the point of transfering if you start over? If you are scared say so.

Eomin- "We went from 50 creeps to 85-90 overnight"
So youre saying that 35-40 creeps transferd to your server? I thought it was like 4.

Originally Posted by oogabooga227

I'll agree with a good portion of this post Rancor. I did go back to my freep right before the transfers happened because I felt the balance in the moors was already beginning to shift back in the creeps favor. With that said, the sudden influx of creeps really through the moors out of whack. We went from 50 creeps to 85-90 overnight which was an eye opener. Were we prepared? Hell no, but did we deal with it? Yes, with the help of Cincinnatus and Button we really gave you guys a push for your money if you ask me. The freeps, though outnumbered, were the agressers nearly the whole night as we pushed Lug over and over, yea we wiped but its not the point. We got kills, took the keep, then ultimately died. Everything just takes a bit of time in getting used to. Give it a month, and it'll be normal.

In reguards to the idea of rotating servers for creeps, Idk I feel there are ways that freeps can get the numbers to fight fairly. One option is for us to organize Kinship alliances that take turns in the nights they go to the moors to assist. Getting 12-18 well oiled freeps out there do make an enormous difference.

- Eomin

And that's why e was so refreshing... it wasn't a whine fest but a challenge. It was a real eye opener learning Lag Spike equals thunderous hooves!!!! And boy did we struggle with just surviving and we had a blast. I really feel the discussion from E members on this thread are very insightful and appropriate. There are real concerns about balance.

However:

The system is currently designed for Flux.

The system is setup for supply and demand factors... It is set up for people to govern the PvP. How many of you on E! like to roll the moors and camp the opposite side for hours and hours on end?

I imagine most of E does not because you want good pvp -- you want BATTLE! If that is the culture of a server, the pvp will adjust. You will have people flip sides to balance it out and so in time all is good. In addition you will attract players of such mind to your server.

Unfortunately there are cultures of pvp on other servers that want it to be the opposite. Too Pwn everyone and when the momentum is in freep favor instead of logging in on creeep? They get on their Freeps.


So what do you do when you try and try to create a positive PvP culture on your server for over a year. And to no avail you still have Tribes and Kins sharing the same vent. People with dual accounts having a toon on the opposite side spying?

SIGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!........... ................

Here's a pic of one of my first days on E! I so smiled

thanks for the pie!


Here is a common pic you can see on Vilya from a blatant dual account




What is a shame is we decided to move to E regardless of wether or not our creeps would transfer. Some of us rolled the same main so we would have a foot hold on our regular toon if transfers fell through. Many of us were on alts, let me tell you having us all green AND many of on other classes made a heck of challenge LOL

It was our last ditch effort that was ruined by poor policies of turbine and the constant harassment of few Villians... Those few Villians are loving all this and probably love that last pic.

-- boo

ps. this spying culture was hence the policies and the temporary tribe name of Freepless Knights.

Originally Posted by XavierVE1

Freep or Creep, transfers should make you lose all your rank. That'd make sure people wouldn't be abusing the transfer system to go around trying to take advantage of PvMP communities on other servers and you certainly wouldn't see whole tribes trying to leave their server rather than make their server better.

I rolled a new creep, I was having so much fun i decided to let my since day 2 beta toon rest in peace.

Little greenyPuppy Scruppy went nigh night with all the other wargies. When he woke up he nuzzled in for some nummys. "wait whats this!!!!" a sock with a clock in it,a hot water bottle?? A gourd with a old glove on it? "Noooooooohowl those aren't puppy Scruppys tata's". Puppy Scruppy ran down to the middle of Grams the Tyrant called Scruppy over patted him on the head and gave him some bad news. Puppy Scruppy found a quite spot to Lay down, his big brown warggie eyes full of tears. "why did Turbine put my Mommy to sleep?"

Thandreil prediction of what Creep transfers will bring:

Event: CALLING ALL CREEPS, as of the 1st all Creeps transfer to elendilmir for the week, then next week we'll go zerg Vilya! thank you!!

Originally Posted by Thandreil

Thandreil prediction of what Creep transfers will bring:

Event: CALLING ALL CREEPS, as of the 1st all Creeps transfer to elendilmir for the week, then next week we'll go zerg Vilya! thank you!!

Lets see
1) a creep must at least 1 lvl 10 or higher on the server they are going to.
2) 25 usd to apply (supposedly non-refundable, dunno yet)
3) preparing the toon for departure such as bags loot etc.
4) you are not to play your toon during the application process
5) It took mine to be denied two business days (don't apply with an upcoming weekend or holiday!)
6) may take longer who knows?
7) May not even happen, who knows?


I think your prediction is FALSE even if creeps were officially allowed today. Please feel free, or I should say work and pay to prove me wrong

Originally Posted by reuben303998

I'm not sure where this "huge influx of creeps" will be coming from once this gets approved.

The only problems I'm hearing about are coming from freeps that are scared of a fair fight, and "alfa male" creeps scared of healthy competition.

Sadly, you have a good point. And yet, the only experience you and I have on this subject is reinforced overwhelmingly by this point:

Originally Posted by XavierVE1

Looks like Turbine is setting up a system that will encourage a ruination of good PvMP communities by letting troublemakers go from place to place because they've heard "good things" about a community.

And on a side note, geez Turbine, do you really think we're all that stupid? You let a few people tranfer their creeps, you belatedly realized the ramifications and now you wish you didn't allow it in the first place. The *wrong* response to this is lying about it and claiming there are "technical" problems. The "right" response is admitting a mistake and either allowing or disallowing it. Didn't anyone learn anything from Martha Stewart?

Originally Posted by Thandreil

Thandreil prediction of what Creep transfers will bring:

Event: CALLING ALL CREEPS, as of the 1st all Creeps transfer to elendilmir for the week, then next week we'll go zerg Vilya! thank you!!

1 day +or- to get a lvl10
3 days play in creeps ville to get enough DP to get passives,traits and skills (vet creeps know just what to get and whats not needed to speed this up) =
vets playing wolves in sheeps skins. WHO NEEDS TRANSFERS???? A group of Vets in little time at all compaired to how long it took them to rank a creep to lets say r5 could have a nice little force on EVERY server. Hmmmm.. the Nomad tribe /makes note to self;

The PPl who wanted transfers were looking for a home.

There are a few freeps that are about as shady as an umbrella.

I was going solo and approached TA then was mobbed by 6 freeps.
After they killed me I got a mesage from IamAWarg (creep side) that said
""Thats 1""

go figure.

Originally Posted by DejaBoo

[Gah - Patience meant to quote this and hit edit instead. Could you repost please?]

I'll try (didn't save it)

I quoted this post:

Originally Posted by DrRabbitfoot

And on a side note, geez Turbine, do you really think we're all that stupid? You let a few people tranfer their creeps, you belatedly realized the ramifications and now you wish you didn't allow it in the first place. The *wrong* response to this is lying about it and claiming there are "technical" problems. The "right" response is admitting a mistake and either allowing or disallowing it....

And then said something to the effect:

That was the real kick in the teeth for us. Especially when our leadership tries to do everything possible to do this transfer by the book by communicating with turbine. Only to have all of his PMs deleted without any notice or permission on this very forum when this all hit the fan.

and then I mentioned the quote of how a lie has sprinted half way around the world by the time the truth has put on its shoes...

and signed with something positive like, only posted in hopes of improvement -- boo


::::::: Good luck Patience and can't imagine WHY you would get any of those buttons confused, LOL ::::::

Originally Posted by DejaBoo

Only to have all of his PMs deleted without any notice or permission on this very forum when this all hit the fan.

I was going to respond to this - we don't have the ability to delete someone's PMs, short of wiping their entire PM box with a single command. So for the record, none of us removed any PMs, nor would we have.

::::::: Good luck Patience and can't imagine WHY you would get any of those buttons confused, LOL ::::::

Could have something to do with me playing LOTRO on my other monitor and trying not to get my group killed while simultaneously trying to check in on the forums.

Originally Posted by Patience

Could have something to do with me playing LOTRO on my other monitor and trying not to get my group killed while simultaneously trying to check in on the forums.

Nobody does that!

Originally Posted by Patience

Could have something to do with me playing LOTRO on my other monitor and trying not to get my group killed while simultaneously trying to check in on the forums.

lol, then your multi task skills are very impressive.

Originally Posted by Patience

I was going to respond to this - we don't have the ability to delete someone's PMs, short of wiping their entire PM box with a single command. So for the record, none of us removed any PMs, nor would we have.

Actually you just reinforced to me my information is very correct. Since this person said to the group, "my entire Pm box has been wiped clean." As he discussed that was his last personal straw to stay in LOTRO.

There is absolutely no reason for him, imho, to lie to me or the others of the tribe since our directive the day before was to follow our heart whether lotro, aoc and/or wait for war. And that he himself was on the fence about leaving lotro and was continuing to play on his creep on E till he discovered the wipe of his PM box had happened. I can't speak for him but I can speak for my personal observed experience.

Good luck and hope the resources surrounding you Patience are fully supporting you with the difficult task that you have.

In hopes of the best,

-Boo

IMO they could have transfered those ppl after they messed up, and called them "test transfers" and announced them as so, and there would not be any more untill it was tested. would some other ppl gotten mad? sure, but not any more than are. This is sad i lost all my tribe members and some of my faith.

Givin into there fear i think, deciept is there way now turned to the dark side. XXXXs is truly dead. The last good thing remaing from the org. version of the game i lasted played, now gone forever. /VerySad;

Originally Posted by gromb

IMO they could have transfered those ppl after they messed up, and called them "test transfers" and announced them as so, and there would not be any more untill it was tested. would some other ppl gotten mad? sure, but not any more than are. This is sad i lost all my tribe members and some of my faith.

Givin into there fear i think, deciept is there way now turned to the dark side. XXXXs is truly dead. The last good thing remaing from the org. version of the game i lasted played, now gone forever. /VerySad;

Given Patience's announcement today that the ability to do Creep transfers is now up and running it looks like the Devs followed through with this issue very well.

The original posts about it being a problem was just before the 4th of July and now on the 9th we get an announcement saying it's fixed. That's pretty fast by MMO standards.

Ya I just read it.cool. Don't know if it was up when I posted. Glad i didn't see it or I would have missed my chance to do a SWzy post

Originally Posted by gromb

1 day +or- to get a lvl10
3 days play in creeps ville to get enough DP to get passives,traits and skills (vet creeps know just what to get and whats not needed to speed this up) =
vets playing wolves in sheeps skins. WHO NEEDS TRANSFERS???? A group of Vets in little time at all compaired to how long it took them to rank a creep to lets say r5 could have a nice little force on EVERY server. Hmmmm.. the Nomad tribe /makes note to self;

The PPl who wanted transfers were looking for a home.

QFT. It's really not that hard to get a decent amount of DP quick if you know what you are doing. At $25 a transfer I really don't see too many people changing servers regularly, whereas rolling Creeps on different servers costs no monies, and takes not so much time to rank anymore.

Originally Posted by Meijha

QFT. It's really not that hard to get a decent amount of DP quick if you know what you are doing. At $25 a transfer I really don't see too many people changing servers regularly, whereas rolling Creeps on different servers costs no monies, and takes not so much time to rank anymore.

frankly, it's not the dp that's the problem IMO...it's the Coin to slot the skills you buy w/your DP thats the difficulty w/a newbie creep.

I have a bunch of alts that I have dumped prolly over 150k worth of DP into by buying everything I can based on their current rank...however most of them can't slot half of what they have because it's expensive to slot them. Yeah yeah, I know farm for coin....easier said than done for a greendot....and a much greater timesink.

It's one of the reasons I still haven't played my defiler alt, my wl alt, my warg alt, my reaver alt, and my reaver alt. The only alt I stuck with to get enough coin to slot traits with so far has been my rank 4 BA.

Originally Posted by NYSEguy1970

frankly, it's not the dp that's the problem IMO...it's the Coin to slot the skills you buy w/your DP thats the difficulty w/a newbie creep.

I have a bunch of alts that I have dumped prolly over 150k worth of DP into by buying everything I can based on their current rank...however most of them can't slot half of what they have because it's expensive to slot them. Yeah yeah, I know farm for coin....easier said than done for a greendot....and a much greater timesink.

It's one of the reasons I still haven't played my defiler alt, my wl alt, my warg alt, my reaver alt, and my reaver alt. The only alt I stuck with to get enough coin to slot traits with so far has been my rank 4 BA.

So true. But then we can use those green dots and upset the balance in the moors at will!

Originally Posted by NYSEguy1970

frankly, it's not the dp that's the problem IMO...it's the Coin to slot the skills you buy w/your DP thats the difficulty w/a newbie creep.

I have a bunch of alts that I have dumped prolly over 150k worth of DP into by buying everything I can based on their current rank...however most of them can't slot half of what they have because it's expensive to slot them. Yeah yeah, I know farm for coin....easier said than done for a greendot....and a much greater timesink.

It's one of the reasons I still haven't played my defiler alt, my wl alt, my warg alt, my reaver alt, and my reaver alt. The only alt I stuck with to get enough coin to slot traits with so far has been my rank 4 BA.

Want some gold? I got 50gold on one of my creeps, Normally trade creep gold for freep gold

Originally Posted by Tempors

Want some gold? I got 50gold on one of my creeps, Normally trade creep gold for freep gold

LOL 50 gold? I think the highest I've had on Nidor at one time is 2.5 gold...and I thought I was the King of Siam w/that much loot lol.

Originally Posted by NYSEguy1970

LOL 50 gold? I think the highest I've had on Nidor at one time is 2.5 gold...and I thought I was the King of Siam w/that much loot lol.

I use to be dirt poor on my creeps. but turbine added pve to moors. Since I play at work, hardly any freeps during the day, I sit in dof, farming stones.

Ah, now that I've escaped from underneath that god-forsaken rock, can someone please clue me on on what this whole conspiracy is about?

IMO this is really ridiculous.. I mean seriously.. what % of the transferees do you think is going to go to a HARDER server? People like to win.. so the barely balanced or unbalanced servers will even go more unbalanced.

And in seeing that you're still approving the mass xfers to Elendilmir, I certainly don't believe the BS that you're going to limit it by population. My entire tribe is now considering what to do in what we completely expect to be a completely red 'moors in Bk14. Heck it's red enough as it is pre-Xfers. Quitting is a very viable option as most of us are die hard creeps and the idea of running around looking for the dozen freeps left out there with 60+ creeps around is not very encouraging.

Originally Posted by aklouie

IMO this is really ridiculous.. I mean seriously.. what % of the transferees do you think is going to go to a HARDER server?

You make this assumption about people and then you write:

Originally Posted by aklouie

idea of running around looking for the dozen freeps left out there with 60+ creeps around is not very encouraging.

So which is it?


After all my tribe was going from a vastly creep dominated server to a more freep dominated server. And ironically, if certain peeps wouldn't have thrown such a hissy fit, we would have been there just a week earlier without all this front page news. Whoever threw the big stink sure did help advertise a certain server and even worse, Looky everyone we now have Creep transers!!!!!

/sarcasm WTG whoever them peeps were
/sarcasm off

keeping it real,

Boo


PS: and for good grief it still escapes me how people selectively use their logic for creeps while yet freeps side (a balance issue) have the service already.

Originally Posted by aklouie

IMO this is really ridiculous.. I mean seriously.. what % of the transferees do you think is going to go to a HARDER server? People like to win.. so the barely balanced or unbalanced servers will even go more unbalanced.

And in seeing that you're still approving the mass xfers to Elendilmir, I certainly don't believe the BS that you're going to limit it by population. My entire tribe is now considering what to do in what we completely expect to be a completely red 'moors in Bk14. Heck it's red enough as it is pre-Xfers. Quitting is a very viable option as most of us are die hard creeps and the idea of running around looking for the dozen freeps left out there with 60+ creeps around is not very encouraging.

Solution... Your tribe can transfer to another server! No? I love it when ppl go straight to the bi*ching and complaining. Like you said, your server was already mainly red... Why not go to a freep controlled server?

Originally Posted by reuben303998

Solution... Your tribe can transfer to another server! No? I love it when ppl go straight to the bi*ching and complaining. Like you said, your server was already mainly red... Why not go to a freep controlled server?

You going to give them $25 each per character to do it?


Not that I really care about the issue either way mind you.

Originally Posted by reuben303998

Solution... Your tribe can transfer to another server! No? I love it when ppl go straight to the bi*ching and complaining. Like you said, your server was already mainly red... Why not go to a freep controlled server?

As was mentioned.. you toss our tribe of 60ish 25 bucks apiece and sure we'll xfer... and that's 25 bucks per character, many of us have multiple R6+'s to xfer too.

Although we are also considering going greenie on another server.. and that server will be carefully researched as to if we will do to them what other servers have done to us.

Originally Posted by aklouie

As was mentioned.. you toss our tribe of 60ish 25 bucks apiece and sure we'll xfer... and that's 25 bucks per character, many of us have multiple R6+'s to xfer too.

Although we are also considering going greenie on another server.. and that server will be carefully researched as to if we will do to them what other servers have done to us.

Other servers have done to you? So your tribe spans the entire creepside/freepside population?
So alot of people transferring into Elendilmir, what's the big deal? A more populated PvP zone is a better PvP zone as far as I can tell.

When we outnumber the freeps 2-1 consistantly post transfer.. that is NOT good for a server that used to be balanced and had a decent share of blue keeps vs red keeps.

We already were beating the heck out of the freeps pre-transfer. I wonder how many will stick around Post Bk 14 where we get more powerful + have a whole bunch more creeps? Would end up being quite an empty 'moors. The freeps don't have to go out there to have fun. That's the only place we creeps have.