It was very late last night when a buddy convinced me to make a new guy on Landroval. I absolutely guessed on the name because I was too tired to care.
Does Tengrandir make any sense at all?
I have nothing substantive to add, but wanted to note that I find it highly amusing that a thread with the word "quick" in the title is 524 posts long and over a year old. Thanks to Berephon for keeping it going.
Okay, some substance: you all inspired me to pick a proper name for my most recent alt and not just one that "sounded" like it fit the naming guidelines. So my (female) hobbit minstrel is named Althaea which is not only a flower but is derived from the Greek word for healing. So I think that's pretty good. (The more traditional English spelling of Althea was already taken, by I like my spelling better anyway.)
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Re: Names in Middle-Earth, Quick Guide
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It was very late last night when a buddy convinced me to make a new guy on Landroval. I absolutely guessed on the name because I was too tired to care.
Does Tengrandir make any sense at all?
Well, teng- doesn't translate to anything specific and randir is wanderer. However, ten + crann + -dir (properly Tengranndir, rather than Tengrandir) would roughly translate to "One Ruddy Guy."
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Well, teng- doesn't translate to anything specific and randir is wanderer. However, ten + crann + -dir (properly Tengranndir, rather than Tengrandir) would roughly translate to "One Ruddy Guy."
ROFL... that's what I get for trying to start something at 1:30 AM. Thanks, Berephon!
I have a 1st age sword and a 2nd age dagger that are keepers. They are about to hit lvl 40 and I would like to give them elven names. It appears that Sindarin is the appropriate language to use, but I a still confused about combining Sindarin words to make a name. Can someone help me with some spelling/grammar?
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I have a 1st age sword and a 2nd age dagger that are keepers. They are about to hit lvl 40 and I would like to give them elven names. It appears that Sindarin is the appropriate language to use, but I a still confused about combining Sindarin words to make a name. Can someone help me with some spelling/grammar?
Piercing Dagger = Aegsigil ??? -- Aeghigil
Deadly Dagger = Delusigil ??? -- Deluchigil
Deep Bite = nagtofn ??? -- Tofnnagnir
Deadly Bite = nagdelu ??? -- Delunagnir
Penetrating Dagger = Maegsigil ??? -- Maeghigil (dagger of penetration)
Thanks for your great work Berephon, all the other lore monkies appreciate your dedication. I was wondering if there was elvish translation for my Gondorian Captain (I placed him specifically from Dol Amroth) Belgarad. The closest I've been able to come up with is a muddied combination of Beleg Barad, obviously minus a few letters. I believe this wold translate to Mighty tower, or tower of great stength (fairly applicable to my Cappy I think). I figure I could get away with a "messed up" translation because he isn't an elf. Thanks for any thoughts.
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Re: Names in Middle-Earth, Quick Guide
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Thanks for your great work Berephon, all the other lore monkies appreciate your dedication. I was wondering if there was elvish translation for my Gondorian Captain (I placed him specifically from Dol Amroth) Belgarad. The closest I've been able to come up with is a muddied combination of Beleg Barad, obviously minus a few letters. I believe this wold translate to Mighty tower, or tower of great stength (fairly applicable to my Cappy I think). I figure I could get away with a "messed up" translation because he isn't an elf. Thanks for any thoughts.
Well, it is a proper construct of the adjective Bell (strong in body), the verb Car- (do, make, build) and the suffix -ad, which makes the verb a gerund. Essentially "A Strong Making" or "A Strong Building" or "A Strong Doing." You could call it an improper construct of Bell + Gar- (normally the g would drop) + -ad, which would be "A Strong Possessing" or "A Strong Ability."
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Weaver of Life and Gloom of <Something> . . . what roots did you use for Annamaur?
Anna- (give) + Maur (gloom)
As sourced anna- was the prefix form with anno being the infinitive verb form. I've also found anna to be used as "gift". The intended meaning is something along the lines of "Gloomgiver" (to one's enemies - when my champion arrives on the scene), utilizing the anna- root, or even "Gift of Gloom" (images of the Trojan Horse come to mind). This is to some extent an attempt to make the roots fit the meaning, perhapts. Otherwise, Mauroneth might be more fitting.
Cuilnathron applies to the same character with the idea of his swords weaving a story of life for those he protects.
This character is from Gondor and of mixed Numenorean and Elven Ancestry.
Well, it is a proper construct of the adjective Bell (strong in body), the verb Car- (do, make, build) and the suffix -ad, which makes the verb a gerund. Essentially "A Strong Making" or "A Strong Building" or "A Strong Doing." You could call it an improper construct of Bell + Gar- (normally the g would drop) + -ad, which would be "A Strong Possessing" or "A Strong Ability."
Thanks for the help, all those seem applicable to my cappy. Just ask the gank squad of 4 red ring wargs that tried to gank myself and my rk buddy last night. The gankers quickly became the gankees, and then an entire raid showed up and we got dropped like a beat.
I wasn't even thinking in elvish terms when I made the name it was more of a derivative of the names of a few characters from my second favourite fantasy author. Usually my character names border on the absurd rather than lore appropiate (see: Minstrel, Merrybanilow, and Loremaster, Mezmerino). Thanks again for the response.
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Anna- (give) + Maur (gloom)
As sourced anna- was the prefix form with anno being the infinitive verb form. I've also found anna to be used as "gift". The intended meaning is something along the lines of "Gloomgiver" (to one's enemies - when my champion arrives on the scene), utilizing the anna- root, or even "Gift of Gloom" (images of the Trojan Horse come to mind). This is to some extent an attempt to make the roots fit the meaning, perhapts. Otherwise, Mauroneth might be more fitting.
Cuilnathron applies to the same character with the idea of his swords weaving a story of life for those he protects.
This character is from Gondor and of mixed Numenorean and Elven Ancestry.
Heh, don't know how I missed that. So, yes, here we go.
Morannadir (Giver of Gloom, Gloomgiver) or Morann (Gift of Gloom)
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Re: Names in Middle-Earth, Quick Guide
Originally Posted by Belegwe
So does Annamaur not work? And if not, why specifically?
By the definition you were looking for, you need to convert anna- (a verb) into a noun. This requires a suffix. -dir or -nir are agent suffixes which would make give into giver. In a noun-noun compound, the second noun in the definition comes first (Gloom-giver would be read Giver of Gloom, thus Gloom is the second noun). Maur (usually becomes Mor) + Anna- + -Dir or -Nir.
For Gift of Gloom, Ann is the word for gift, so it becomes Maur + Ann.
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Allrighty, so what would the translation be, if any, as the name stands? (I already have the character leveling... and just like the replies indicate, the better translations are just a little too close to Moron... ;p )
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Re: Names in Middle-Earth, Quick Guide
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Allrighty, so what would the translation be, if any, as the name stands? (I already have the character leveling... and just like the replies indicate, the better translations are just a little too close to Moron... ;p )
The closest I could come is "He/she/it gives gloom." Anna on its own is the 3rd person singular present tense, and maur can remain maur.
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Hiya there!
Writing this post to see if either Berephon or any of you other well-versed in LotR lore could answer me this question:
Is there any meaning in LotR lore for the root " Eth" ? And by "Eth" I am not referring to the feminine elven name termination , as in "Elbereth Gilthoniel" (which actually, AFAIK, the termination of "Elbereth" is not "eth" but "bereth"). I am referring to using it as the start of a name. I ask because ever since I started using the Internet some 15 years ago, all my screen names, nicks, forum names, toon names etc; have been a variation of "Ether": " Ethereal", "Etherean", and so forth. I am somehow "glued" to be named by all kinds of names starting with "Eth" that now I just cant name myself otherwise.
In LotRO all my characters follow this naming convention, and would like to know if any of the following names have any meaning lore-wise:
My Hobbit Minstrel is called "Etheric" ( my main)
My Man Warden is called "Ethrir" ( actively levelling now)
My Elf Hunter is called "Etheran" (semi-retired)
Other names I've reserved for future toons I might someday roll:
"Ethar" for a Man Burglar
"Ethroin" for a Guardian Dwarf
"Etheron", "Etherion" or "Ethelion" for a Man Captain or if they ever put the "Rider" class in the Riders of Rohan Expansion (wishful thinking)
"Ethryn" for a Woman Captain
"Ethriel" for a Female Elf (perhaps a Rune-Keeper)
"Ethraen" for a Female Elf Lore-Master.
Thanks in advance for your help!
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Hiya there!
Writing this post to see if either Berephon or any of you other well-versed in LotR lore could answer me this question:
Is there any meaning in LotR lore for the root " Eth" ? And by "Eth" I am not referring to the feminine elven name termination , as in "Elbereth Gilthoniel" (which actually, AFAIK, the termination of "Elbereth" is not "eth" but "bereth"). I am referring to using it as the start of a name. I ask because ever since I started using the Internet some 15 years ago, all my screen names, nicks, forum names, toon names etc; have been a variation of "Ether": " Ethereal", "Etherean", and so forth. I am somehow "glued" to be named by all kinds of names starting with "Eth" that now I just cant name myself otherwise.
In LotRO all my characters follow this naming convention, and would like to know if any of the following names have any meaning lore-wise:
My Hobbit Minstrel is called "Etheric" ( my main)
My Man Warden is called "Ethrir" ( actively levelling now)
My Elf Hunter is called "Etheran" (semi-retired)
Other names I've reserved for future toons I might someday roll:
"Ethar" for a Man Burglar
"Ethroin" for a Guardian Dwarf
"Etheron", "Etherion" or "Ethelion" for a Man Captain or if they ever put the "Rider" class in the Riders of Rohan Expansion (wishful thinking)
"Ethryn" for a Woman Captain
"Ethriel" for a Female Elf (perhaps a Rune-Keeper)
"Ethraen" for a Female Elf Lore-Master.
Thanks in advance for your help!
hey hey! Eth- as a prefix doesn't exist, the following do:
Et- meaning forth or out.
Eter- out (as in come out) or open (as in open of flowers), also source for word Edro! Open!
the following words exist in Sindarin though: ethirIS., N. [ˈɛθir] n.Geog. mouth (of a river), estuary ◇ LotR/II:X, Ety/356, RC/350 ◇ ed+sîr "outflow" ethirIIS. [ˈɛθir] n. spy ◇ S/379, UT/418 ◇ ed+tirn "out-watcher" ethraidS.pl. → athrad (river-)crossing, ford, way ◇ Ety/349, Ety/383, UT/437, VT/42:7 ethuilS. [ˈɛθujl] n.Cal. season of spring ◇ LotR/D, SD/129-31
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hey hey! Eth- as a prefix doesn't exist, the following do:
Et- meaning forth or out.
Eter- out (as in come out) or open (as in open of flowers), also source for word Edro! Open!
the following words exist in Sindarin though: ethirIS., N. [ˈɛθir] n.Geog. mouth (of a river), estuary ◇ LotR/II:X, Ety/356, RC/350 ◇ ed+sîr "outflow" ethirIIS. [ˈɛθir] n. spy ◇ S/379, UT/418 ◇ ed+tirn "out-watcher" ethraidS.pl. → athrad (river-)crossing, ford, way ◇ Ety/349, Ety/383, UT/437, VT/42:7 ethuilS. [ˈɛθujl] n.Cal. season of spring ◇ LotR/D, SD/129-31
Ah, while there is not an Eth- root or prefix, that does not mean that none of his names have actual definitions.
Ethriel would be the plural of Athriel (ast + riel) "Princesses of Dust" and Ethryn would be the plural of Athryn "Hounds of Dust."
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Any use for Guy variations? My toons all start with GUY..ie. Guyot, Guyin, Guyat.
Guyot is the name of a rl mountain, which is where i got it. Just curious if there is a middle earth meaning to any of it. Noticed in the first post of this thread that Tolks wasnt a big user of G or Y, so I am guessing my name is just that, a name!
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Any use for Guy variations? My toons all start with GUY..ie. Guyot, Guyin, Guyat.
Guyot is the name of a rl mountain, which is where i got it. Just curious if there is a middle earth meaning to any of it. Noticed in the first post of this thread that Tolks wasnt a big user of G or Y, so I am guessing my name is just that, a name!
Alas, your guess is correct.
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I was wondering if there is a good Sindarin/Quenya word or short sentence for my mule kinship "Pack Rats Incorperated".
While the name is funny and the intended purpose of my little kinship (I wanted a kin house don't have one yet even though the kin is rank 10 and I really want #1 High Road in Bree Housing ) it sounds too much like I am gold farming and I want to avoid being reported as such and I want to change it.
I was also wondering if there is a word for "Misfit" or equivalent meaning.
I was wondering if there is a good Sindarin/Quenya word or short sentence for my mule kinship "Pack Rats Incorperated".
While the name is funny and the intended purpose of my little kinship (I wanted a kin house don't have one yet even though the kin is rank 10 and I really want #1 High Road in Bree Housing ) it sounds too much like I am gold farming and I want to avoid being reported as such and I want to change it.
I was also wondering if there is a word for "Misfit" or equivalent meaning.
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Okay, I want to see if you ,Berephon, still check this thread as I have a couple of names I want to run by you.
Kinship Galadherth (House of Radiance/Light?)
Iol-a-dan (I have checked all over the net and get confusing explanations on parts of the name and how they would read together)
Maethordun (I think Warrior of the West, but could be mistaken)
Oh and BTW I fell in love with my last name when I broke it down and translated it..Popplewell-Noisy Spring-Bruinen. Just can't use it in-game for obvious naming violation
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